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Hockey East 2010-2011

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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

thecomicbookguy said:
This thread (and the initial comment about Hutton) is about the regular season though, so Muse's postseason performance (which until this most recent Frozen Four I don't think you can call anything but "inconsistent"; yes, BC won, but how often was it a result of his performance?) isn't applicable. I believe the original point was that Lowell.
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Who cares about the regular season? Didn't we go over this at the end of the season when we resurrected the BC-UNH thread and several of the UNH fans looks like buffoons? The RS DOES. NOT. MATTER. MUCH. unless you're from NH or the WCHA.

thecomicbookguy said:
Which counts for what, exactly, in the regular season next year?
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What does Carter Hutton have to do with the RS next year? Who cares?

The comment that was challenged was that UML had to replace the best goaltending tandem in the league from last year (which is obviously wrong since Muse/Milner were the best duo in the league between the pipes) and this is where we are now.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Who cares about the regular season? Didn't we go over this at the end of the season when we resurrected the BC-UNH thread and several of the UNH fans looks like buffoons? The RS DOES. NOT. MATTER. MUCH. unless you're from NH or the WCHA.

What does Carter Hutton have to do with the RS next year? Who cares?

The comment that was challenged was that UML had to replace the best goaltending tandem in the league from last year (which is obviously wrong since Muse/Milner were the best duo in the league between the pipes) and this is where we are now.
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This thread is about the regular season, isn't it?
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
This thread is about the regular season, isn't it?
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I don't see anything in the title that says "regular season." Don't see it in the original post made by the original poster either.

Let's look at it this way. Most threads aren't about UNH's empty trophy case, but that gets brought up in most threads. See, this thread isn't about the NO NATIONAL TITLES in Durham, but we're talking about it now, aren't we? :D
 
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Slasher7 said:
Yet somehow, BC was able to pick up the pieces and make the best of their season...
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No argument there. Just saying...not every goalie can beat MC in Nov.

Nick Papagiorgio said:
The comment that was challenged was that UML had to replace the best goaltending tandem in the league from last year (which is obviously wrong since Muse/Milner were the best duo in the league between the pipes) and this is where we are now.
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How were they the best duo? They had a worse GAA and worse save %age then Hutton and Hamilton?

And yes while Muse has shown he can play on the big stage Milner has yet to show he is any better then H&H. Hutton kept UML in it against ME where Muse clearly didn't. As for the NCAA we will never no which makes even using that as a gauge a poor one. Muse was part of a BC team that won the NC but make no mistake, the way the offense was playing Beaudry, Dainton, or Foster could have been and net and they still would have one.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
Hutton kept UML in it against ME where Muse clearly didn't.
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This is your reasoning for why he's a better goalie than Muse. 1 game vs. Maine? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

jcarter7669 said:
How were they the best duo? They had a worse GAA and worse save %age then Hutton and Hamilton?
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Muse and Milner had more wins than their counterpart at UML... By your hillbilly logic, this stastic shows that each guy was better than his UML counterpart. Oh but wait, the stats don't tell the whole story, BC was a better team. But stats tell the whole story, they had a better save % than Muse and Milner. Back and forth hippie. Back and forth.

Let me end this game right now... Chris Venti is better than Carter Hutton because his save % was 1.00 and his GAA was 0.00.

Game over. STATS AREN'T EVERYTHING. Go smoke a blunt and remember those fond memories of Stalberg beating Air Force.
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
so Muse's postseason performance (which until this most recent Frozen Four I don't think you can call anything but "inconsistent"....blah blah blah)
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um what?

even prior to the 2010 frozen four, muse was still 15-1 in the postseason with a 2.07 GAA and .931 save %. his only loss was in 2009 to, eventual national champion, BU where he/they conceded 3 goals in 44 seconds.

in that time, he otherwise boasts 3 shutouts, 2 hockey east championships, a national championship, and wins over north dakota, miami, minnesota, and unh (3 times)
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
This is your reasoning for why he's a better goalie than Muse. 1 game vs. Maine? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
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No, the reasoning was the course of the regular season. You BC fans are the ones that want to keep bringing up the post season.
Nick Papagiorgio said:
Muse and Milner had more wins than their counterpart at UML... By your hillbilly logic, this stastic shows that each guy was better than his UML counterpart. Oh but wait, the stats don't tell the whole story, BC was a better team. But stats tell the whole story, they had a better save % than Muse and Milner. Back and forth hippie. Back and forth.
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Wins are a team stat. GAA and S% are individual stats and are thus better in comparing to individuals. Although, GAA does take into account team defense, save % not so much. Either way in the individual stats M&M lag behind H&H.

Nick Papagiorgio said:
Let me end this game right now... Chris Venti is better than Carter Hutton because his save % was 1.00 and his GAA was 0.00.
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Weren't we talking about tandems? Do you want to trade out Milner for Venti? Great the kid made 3 saves. You get the point, you just don't want to admit to be wrong. :rolleyes:

Nick Papagiorgio said:
Game over. STATS AREN'T EVERYTHING. Go smoke a blunt and remember those fond memories of Stalberg beating Air Force.
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Ah, I was just waiting for the reefer crack. Thanks for not dissappointing.
 
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SteveF said:
um what?

even prior to the 2010 frozen four, muse was still 15-1 in the postseason with a 2.07 GAA and .931 save %. his only loss was in 2009 to, eventual national champion, BU where he/they conceded 3 goals in 44 seconds.
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I think he was refering to :

giving up 6 goals to ME
giving up 1 goal to AK
giving up 7 goals to Yale
giving up 1 goal to Miami before shutting out Wisco.

Either way, by my count this year he had a GAA of 3 in those games and 5 wins. So stastically looks pretty good and overall the team won, but MUSE's perfomance was inconsistent.
 
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Hey guys how about a truce. We all agree that :

The BC fans would take Muse and Milner
The rest of HE would take Hutton and Hamilton.

Case closed, no one is going to change their minds.

Or start a poll and lets take a vote :D
 
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

SteveF said:
um what?

even prior to the 2010 frozen four, muse was still 15-1 in the postseason with a 2.07 GAA and .931 save %. his only loss was in 2009 to, eventual national champion, BU where he/they conceded 3 goals in 44 seconds.

in that time, he otherwise boasts 3 shutouts, 2 hockey east championships, a national championship, and wins over north dakota, miami, minnesota, and unh (3 times)
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Perhaps "inconclusive" would have been better than "inconsistent". I'll be honest and say that I did not see his performance in the 2008 regionals. However, in the Frozen Four, he played good enough to beat a North Dakota that didn't even show up, and a Notre Dame that was outclassed. York could have just dumped a pile of goalie gear in the crease that year and won.

I've seen a lot of Muse's postseason games, and I have never once thought that I would pick him to build a team around. He doesn't strike me as the type of goalie who will regularly steal games for his team.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
Wins are a team stat.
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That is funny. Because when I look up John Muse, he's got wins under his statistics. Same for Venti and Milner. I guess only BC does that.

And Martin Brodeur is not the "winningest goalie in NHL history" because they don't keep win stats for goalies only teams.

Keep hitting that bong, kid.
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
Which counts for what, exactly, in the regular season next year?
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Why is it that UNH fans are always only concerned about the "regular season"? I guess the other HE fans are right about you guys. The season runs from October to early March in Durham apparently.
 
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

jcarter7669 said:
Fans of teams who want to win National Championships would take Muse and Milner

Fans of Hockey East teams who have never won a national title and no idea what a legitimate postseason goaltender looks like would take Hutton and Hamilton.

Case closed, no one is going to change their minds.

Or start a poll and lets take a vote :D
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Fixed your post. Maybe if you were looking in from the outside in this argument, it would be clear.

I hope all of you agree, then, that Peyton Manning is a much better QB than Tom Brady because its the same argument (except that Mannng is a Hall of Famer and Hutton went to a doormat school in Lowell, MA)

Finally, the ECAC has Hutton-like goalies every year who dominate the regular season and win crap when it counts (LeNeveu anyone?). The last ECAC goalie who was a legitimate money goalie was Dryden (and Yan Danis) ;)
 
Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

thecomicbookguy said:
Perhaps "inconclusive" would have been better than "inconsistent".
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when is this not the case? cross reference a list of best goalies and a list of national championship winning goalies and i think you will find very few intersections.
 
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So, the only stats that matter are the ones that the BC fans cherry pick. Got it.

Onion Man said:
Why is it that UNH fans are always only concerned about the "regular season"?
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Because that was the frame of reference of the post that sparked this "debate"

SteveF said:
cross reference a list of best goalies and a list of national championship winning goalies and i think you will find very few intersections.
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So, could it be possible, just possible that there were better goalies in HE than Muse last year?

Onion Man said:
Did you miss this one?

http://www.uscho.com/box/?date=20080330&vis=bc&home=mu&gender=m
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Actually...

thecomicbookguy said:
I'll be honest and say that I did not see his performance in the 2008 regionals.
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Moose98 said:
It's funny, UNH and UVM fans have this weird obsession with Muse.
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Actually, this whole discussion was started when a UVM fan called Hutton and Hamilton the "best tandem in the league" last year, and the BC fans spazzed out because he didn't praise Muse as the second coming of Ken Dryden.
 
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