Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

[Red Cloud]

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I have no idea if they went racist but I don't find auctioning off your kids for dates during an acceptance speech funny or appropriate. Go figure.

Yeah, he was really doing that. So obvious that's what he was trying to do. It wasn't a joke or something considering that his kids were LAUGHING.

But what am I doing? You're the arbiter of what's funny and what's not.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yeah, he was really doing that. So obvious that's what he was trying to do. It wasn't a joke or something considering that his kids were LAUGHING.

But what am I doing? You're the arbiter of what's funny and what's not.

I don't care if it was funny or not. And reports show that at least one of the daughters was not amused.

It wasn't appropriate.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Father embarrasses daughers in public.
Film at 11.


If that's the best "stick" on Scott Brown, he's Teflon.

 

[leswp1]

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Well, I have to give you credit for freely admitting to not listening to anyone else's opinion and recognizing your mind is completely closed on this topic.

EDIT: So I guess this post isn't so much for you as it is for people that are willing to listen to various sides of the debate.

Myself, I don't have health insurance. The United States government is my health care provider.

I think you need to go look at the government-run VA hospitals. Take a look at how large the waiting rooms are. Take a look at how many waiting rooms there are. Ask the veterans how long ago they made the appointment for which they are now finally being seen. Ask the veterans what they think of the efficiency of the government-run hospitals. Ask them if they think they receive the same quality of care as they would at a regular hospital. Then take a look at the medicine the VA prescribes to their patients - compare it to what would be prescribed at a regular hospital, and ask yourself which facility provides more effective medicine.

Overall, does the VA provide better treatment and service to its patients than the private sector would, or worse? Everyone who goes through the VA knows the answers to this question. Everyone who works in the health care field, be it VA or the private sector, also knows the answers to this question.

If you think 2% profits are evil, it would really behoove you to go take a look at the effectiveness of a government-run health care system that runs without a care in the world about making money, and only provides for a couple million veterans. You might think twice about multiplying its scope by a factor of over 100.

I take care of folks covered by the VA. They get good care and more importantly they get their meds and visits. In my area there is no such thing as not waiting. We have no open primary docs so everyone waits, the practices are overloaded, the ERs are too. Many of my patients can not afford the most basic meds. I totally disagree that the meds prescribed by the VA are suboptimal. Just because they are generic (mostly) does not mean they do not work. Can't think of a person I have seen that I would prescribe something different than what they were on to begin with. Their chronic care is in many cases superior to what my working class population can afford and they would snap up a chance to take your place.

i thought MA had mandatory health insurance for all and currently runs >98% coverage.

are you assigned to seeing those 1.9999% holdouts?!?!? (if so, who's cheerios did you **** in? )

The insurance is mandatory. The lowest premium is something like 350$ a month with a huge (maybe >2K~ not sure of exact #) before it kicks in. For many people their 350 was the $ they would have used to pay for the visits/ meds/tests if out of pocket. Now that is in the insurance co. pocket, they have no cash and just don't get meds or keep appts. Where we used to be able to have them access the multiple support programs from free care to pharma programs we can't do that because they all require you have no insurance.

It is those who were uninsured before and now have to be that are really in a bad way. Those that have had insurance are seeing increased cost for what they access and less coverage. As far as I am aware we haven't seen a corresponding increase in reimbursement.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Father embarrasses daughers in public.
Film at 11.


If that's the best "stick" on Scott Brown, he's Teflon.

Well I bet if he had been a liberal candidate, he would have been crucified for being immoral for his wannabe playgirl centerfold.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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The insurance is mandatory. The lowest premium is something like 350$ a month with a huge (maybe >2K~ not sure of exact #) before it kicks in. For many people their 350 was the $ they would have used to pay for the visits/ meds/tests if out of pocket. Now that is in the insurance co. pocket, they have no cash and just don't get meds or keep appts. Where we used to be able to have them access the multiple support programs from free care to pharma programs we can't do that because they all require you have no insurance.

It is those who were uninsured before and now have to be that are really in a bad way. Those that have had insurance are seeing increased cost for what they access and less coverage. As far as I am aware we haven't seen a corresponding increase in reimbursement.

Would you mind explaining to me how the federal plan that is trying to be pushed through would honestly make this situation better?

 

[mookie1995]

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........ Where we used to be able to have them access the multiple support programs from free care to pharma programs we can't do that because they all require you have no insurance..

are these programs still in place? what happened to them?

if they still exist, why? people are required to have insurance.

this seems like a simple no-brainer. but the programs should now operate to assist people that have insurance and can't make up the difference. if they haven't shifted their goalposts, that's stupid.

 

[leswp1]

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are these programs still in place? what happened to them?

if they still exist, why? people are required to have insurance.

this seems like a simple no-brainer. but the programs should now operate to assist people that have insurance and can't make up the difference. if they haven't shifted their goalposts, that's stupid.

Not stupid because we are the only state that is affected at this point. Free care is a federally mandated program and has regs that make eligibility rules. Pharma companies aren't going to revamp everything for one state.

Shirtless Guy- I want some movement. The bill was not good but I figured if they passed this bill, they have 4 yrs before all the stuff is up and running. My take would be there would be plenty of time to revise and no way it could have totally survived. I want something to push things out of the status quo. Once we are out of the rut and then they can figure out the bits and pieces and tweak away. I don't trust either side to get it right. But something is better than sitting on the hands and doing nothing.

And off that- did anyone else hear the stats that the prime reason that people went with Brown was not healthcare but national security > 40% (poll from last night, can't remember the real #s). Another one I saw today rated the healthcare reason as less than 40% for the thing that swung them to vote for Brown.

 

[Red Cloud]

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I don't care if it was funny or not. And reports show that at least one of the daughters was not amused.

It wasn't appropriate.

These are major issues facing our country - whether or not the daughter was amused.

You sound like you might be in dire need of an enema.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Well I bet if he had been a liberal candidate, he would have been crucified for being immoral for his wannabe playgirl centerfold.

HA! That's a good one.

 

[mookie1995]

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Not stupid because we are the only state that is affected at this point. Free care is a federally mandated program and has regs that make eligibility rules. Pharma companies aren't going to revamp everything for one state..

so one program. and federally mandated at that?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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These are major issues facing our country - whether or not the daughter was amused.

You sound like you might be in dire need of an enema.

Did I say it was a major issue facing the country? He's just one of the 100 clowns that got elected.

 

[leswp1]

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so one program. and federally mandated at that?

Hospitals who take $ from the govt are required to have a pool of $ to provide care for those who are financially in bad shape but not qualifying for other programs. If you qualify it cover any tests, treatments given, ER visit. It does not cover any of the MDs who treat you, pay for the surgeon, anesthetist or any billable stuff that is outside of the hospital. If you have free care you can go to the ER, get tests done, get admitted and have surgery. You have to pay the Docs but the other stuff is covered. This also covers stuff if I were to order it at my office.

This program has been around since I went to school 30+ yrs ago until the must have insurance program came about. Not sure what they do because as far as I know, they are still required to have the cash at hand but I don't know how they dole it out. There was a lot of talk about whether the hosp should be required to report uninsured individuals who showed up but I have no idea what happened with that.

 

[Patman]

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I have no idea if they went racist but I don't find auctioning off your kids for dates during an acceptance speech funny or appropriate. Go figure.

Holy crap... it was a joke... a hilarious one at that.... he just won an election and probably thought off the cuff that it'd be funny to say that. Do you have any joy in your life?

 

[Patman]

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les, stop wishing for what cannot be. The smartest people aren't that smart... the only thing smart people have to sell is their confidence and their attitudes... if I drop 50 pounds, spend $3000 on a suit and give me a new haircut I can pass as an expert... health care can't be done even if some "gears in motion" boilerplate were passed.

 

[gregg729]

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What to do, what to do....

I'm kind of in the mood to watch some news right now. But I'm also in the mood for a comedy. Watching a psycho on the warpath wouldn't be bad either....

I know, I'll just have my cake and eat it too! Be back after Countdown with Keith Olbermann is over, folks.....

 

[Patman]

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What to do, what to do....

I'm kind of in the mood to watch some news right now. But I'm also in the mood for a comedy. Watching a psycho on the warpath wouldn't be bad either....

I know, I'll just have my cake and eat it too! Be back after Countdown with Keith Olbermann is over, folks.....

just don't stare directly into his eyes... that's all.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Did I say it was a major issue facing the country?

You're acting like this is a big deal. Just because you're not getting laid doesn't mean you have to pout about it.

 

[mookie1995]

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Hospitals who take $ from the govt are required to have a pool of $ to provide care for those who are financially in bad shape but not qualifying for other programs. If you qualify it cover any tests, treatments given, ER visit. It does not cover any of the MDs who treat you, pay for the surgeon, anesthetist or any billable stuff that is outside of the hospital. If you have free care you can go to the ER, get tests done, get admitted and have surgery. You have to pay the Docs but the other stuff is covered. This also covers stuff if I were to order it at my office.

This program has been around since I went to school 30+ yrs ago until the must have insurance program came about. Not sure what they do because as far as I know, they are still required to have the cash at hand but I don't know how they dole it out. There was a lot of talk about whether the hosp should be required to report uninsured individuals who showed up but I have no idea what happened with that.

hmmm. so there is still this pool of money, but nobody qualifies for it?

 

[leswp1]

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hmmm. so there is still this pool of money, but nobody qualifies for it?

I have no idea- I think it gets held in escrow. People can use it if they are uninsured. There are folks that aren't, who are not residents etc I am sure. No one ever talks about it. I just know I can't tell people to apply anymore cos they don't qualify.