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He's dead, Jim.

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Here's a better alternative for "how to act toward a suicidally depressed person"
Until you've stared down that level of depression, until you've lost your soul to a sea of emptiness and darkness... you don't get to make those judgments. You might not understand it, and you are certainly entitled to your own feelings, but making those judgments and spreading that kind of negativity won't help the next person. In fact, it will only hurt others.
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aka "Love is the answer. What's your question?"
I was treated for severe clinical depression 20 years ago which thankfully was gone within a year and a half. The greatest day of my life was when those SSRIs kicked in, I realized I could see in color (literally), and all I could do is sit down on the steps outside and stare at the beauty of the world. Being back to normal in my head was the greatest high ever.
I am close to many people who have been fighting the battle for years.
 
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Kepler said:
As was I. I honestly thought far more people had moved beyond Iron Age concepts and the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense. Sadly, I seem to be quite wrong.
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I'd guess that enlightenment has been accelerating in the last 10 years though.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I fully agree with the science, that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance, and is in fact a medical condition. My question is, is there science out there that can tell us what causes that chemical imbalance? Is it 100% genetic? Is it genetic in some cases, and caused by another driver in others? I ask because I don't know, and it is something that I'd like to know.

The reason I bring it up is because there seems to me to be a higher rate of depression in people that have had some kind of life-changing event, or series of events. Poor child hood, loss of a parent, accident,etc. I'm wondering if it is known that these life events can impact the chemicals in the brain, or if any correlation between the 2 is either purely coincidental or non-existent.
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While it might sound odd, one of the ways that psychiatrists know a medical condition exists (brain problem) is how a person responds to medication. If you think a person has condition x and you prescribe drug y and the patient doesn't respond, you might try drug z and learn that patient actually has condition v.

Also, many people with brain problems (psychiatric) also have mind problems (psychological) because it is unsettling to have one's brain work differently than most people's.
 
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Myrna Loy absolutely. I hate to admit I just haven't seen enough Greer Garson to judge.

To be honest, if you were compiling a list of the 20 greatest Hollywood actresses you could start by just watching The Women: Norma Shearer, Joan Crawford, Rosalind Russell, Paulette Goddard, Joan Fontaine. There's 5 right there. Add Stanwyck, Dunne, Loy, Bacall, and Betty Davis and there's 10 more. I assume most people would insist on Katherine Hepburn (personally I never saw it). I would insist on Vivien Leigh (IMHO the most underrated actress of all time) and Claudette Colbert. So that leaves 7 spots for the pre-1930 and post-1950 contingent. Garbo I guess. I personally would list Joan Blondell but I recognize most people would call that perverse (most people are wrong). Liz Taylor absolutely.
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TCM's highlight package for Garson. 7 AA nominations is pretty stout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGq5OVH0hw
 
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Kepler said:
As was I. I honestly thought far more people had moved beyond Iron Age concepts and the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense. Sadly, I seem to be quite wrong.
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I'm not sure you are. For better or worse, technology has ushered in a world where jerks have a greater platform than ever before. Doesn't necessarily mean there are more of them.
 
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Kepler said:
The things we do know are:

1) It's not God's will. Or in any case, when it comes to the rigorous scientific analysis that many of us associate with empirical reality, the type of person who answers any question as "it's God's will" has left the building.
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I forgot that the secular, humanistic viewpoint is the end-all be-all in science. Just because science can't prove that a higher power exists and has a say in our make-up doesn't make it true or false. So, claiming that we "do know" as fact is not accurate- only within the limitations of human capability to understand. I'd rather leave the building on that topic than risk the alternative.
 
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streaker said:
I forgot that the secular, humanistic viewpoint is the end-all be-all in science.
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You shouldn't. It's been crystal clear since about 1600.

Believe in whatever gods suit your fancy. Worship Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan. Believe even that science works because that's the mechanism the gods use to work their will. All well and good. But you're not entitled to your own facts -- the gods can't violate the laws of thermodynamics and they can't give people diseases just to get their rocks off.

God gave you a brain. Use it.
 
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geezer said:
I'd guess that enlightenment has been accelerating in the last 10 years though.
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I hope so. It is a 2004 survey, and a lot has been changing the last decade.

It helps when people "come out." Just look at this thread -- there's half a dozen of us who have talked about our experiences with anxiety and depression. The great ally of prejudice is ignorance -- the more people realize that their neighbors and friends and family members are "Them," the more they realize that "Them" is a stupid way of thinking about it.

We're monkeys -- we are wired to form in groups and out groups; that was very important to our survival before toolmaking. Because we are special monkeys with language, we have used our brains to then rationalize those divisions with constructs like nation, religion, and normalcy. All that falls apart when we start interacting with members of the out group, because the distinction itself was nonsense to begin with.
 
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Down Goes Brown tweets former NHL referee Frank Udvari dead at 90.

Udvari was the ref in the game that sparked the Richard Riot
 
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Kepler said:
Wow. I would have guessed that happened in the 30s.
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March 17, 1955

http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/greatest-moment/The-Richard-Riot

Sad to hear Al Arbour is battling dementia

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/14/report-hockey-hall-of-famer-arbour-battling-dementia/
 
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Apparently Robin Willliams was also in the early stages of Parkinson's according to his wife.
 
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Kepler said:
Um. Thanks?
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Just a little detail. In Miniver there's a wonderful scene where her husband (Walter Pidgeon) has returned from helping evacuate the BEF from Dunkerque. She's all supportive and full of praise. And he's pretty happy with himself, too. Then he learns that while he was away she managed to disarm and capture a Luftwaffe pilot who had been shot down during the blitz. Just another day at the office for Mrs. Miniver.
 
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