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HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
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AMC
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
On tv it looked like the kid ducked into it at the last minute. Would have been high, but around the shoulders high, not on the head high.
On tv it looked like the kid ducked into it at the last minute. Would have been high, but around the shoulders high, not on the head high.
CenMEBlackBearFan
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Saw the replay and it didn't look that bad or intentional but we definitley kept the Mack in it with all our penalties. Boy has Sulleys game improved and our defense played better than I can remember. If not for Cannata we win this going away. Great effort and will need another one just like it tomorrow.
Hope the Mack students go back and learn some cheers. It was neat to see a section all yellow, OOO, but they really did not make any noise and were a non-factor except for getting our students pumped up.
Saw the replay and it didn't look that bad or intentional but we definitley kept the Mack in it with all our penalties. Boy has Sulleys game improved and our defense played better than I can remember. If not for Cannata we win this going away. Great effort and will need another one just like it tomorrow.
Hope the Mack students go back and learn some cheers. It was neat to see a section all yellow, OOO, but they really did not make any noise and were a non-factor except for getting our students pumped up.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
They probably havent learned how to act outside of their own rink yet
Extremely physical game. I think Maine wanted to send a message that no one was going to come into their house and out physical them. The hit on the Merrimack kid looked like it caught him just as he was turning his head into it. Yeah the elbow or shoulder was leading but unfortunate the kid turning unknowingly right into it. No intent to injure, but that kid looked like he got his bell rung good.
Anyway, glad to see a little mean streak in da Bearz.....they've been pussyfooting around for too long. Leave the peashooters home boys and load up the bajookas again tonight. Got em where you want them, now finish it off.
Start the first period tonight just like you played last night and dont even give them a sniff. If they wanna goe toe to toe physically thats fine....we'd be happy with splitting PP time with them.
Saw the replay and it didn't look that bad or intentional but we definitley kept the Mack in it with all our penalties. Boy has Sulleys game improved and our defense played better than I can remember. If not for Cannata we win this going away. Great effort and will need another one just like it tomorrow.
Hope the Mack students go back and learn some cheers. It was neat to see a section all yellow, OOO, but they really did not make any noise and were a non-factor except for getting our students pumped up.
They probably havent learned how to act outside of their own rink yet
Extremely physical game. I think Maine wanted to send a message that no one was going to come into their house and out physical them. The hit on the Merrimack kid looked like it caught him just as he was turning his head into it. Yeah the elbow or shoulder was leading but unfortunate the kid turning unknowingly right into it. No intent to injure, but that kid looked like he got his bell rung good.
Anyway, glad to see a little mean streak in da Bearz.....they've been pussyfooting around for too long. Leave the peashooters home boys and load up the bajookas again tonight. Got em where you want them, now finish it off.
Start the first period tonight just like you played last night and dont even give them a sniff. If they wanna goe toe to toe physically thats fine....we'd be happy with splitting PP time with them.
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walrus
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
It was by the far the most physical I've seen Maine play in... Maybe since Prestin Ryan was around. Everyone on the team hit someone,maybe not Spence, Nemec rocked a few guys as did Joey, Flynn got a few in, even Pryor drove someone out of the crease.
Sully was rock solid, no panic and he made some good saves in the last 5 minutes. Have to match MC tonight, remember the 2nd UMass game, I'll be POed if Maine rolls over like that
It was by the far the most physical I've seen Maine play in... Maybe since Prestin Ryan was around. Everyone on the team hit someone,maybe not Spence
, Nemec rocked a few guys as did Joey, Flynn got a few in, even Pryor drove someone out of the crease. Sully was rock solid, no panic and he made some good saves in the last 5 minutes. Have to match MC tonight, remember the 2nd UMass game, I'll be POed if Maine rolls over like that
rude1979us
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
I was at last nights game and here are my thoughts/observations:
- The "hit to the head" was a bogus call. The MC kid was bent over/half on his knees. It may have been a hit to the head but his head was at elbow level.
- The refs had it in for Maine. There were so many picky calls against Maine (Mangine in particular, he had 10-12 PIM's) and there were some calls that could have gone against MC that they let go.
- Maine's PP was amazing! The score sheet doesn't reflect it but they held the puck almost the entire time and it was tape-to-tape-to-tape passing.
- As others have said, without Cannata it could have easily been 6-1. I hope he takes a cold shower today to cool down for tonight's game.
- Was really impressed with MC's fan presence, hopefully the Maine student section will be a bit fuller tonight.
- I hope tonight's TV feed will be better than other CW feeds which are glorified webcasts at best...
I was at last nights game and here are my thoughts/observations:
- The "hit to the head" was a bogus call. The MC kid was bent over/half on his knees. It may have been a hit to the head but his head was at elbow level.
- The refs had it in for Maine. There were so many picky calls against Maine (Mangine in particular, he had 10-12 PIM's) and there were some calls that could have gone against MC that they let go.
- Maine's PP was amazing! The score sheet doesn't reflect it but they held the puck almost the entire time and it was tape-to-tape-to-tape passing.
- As others have said, without Cannata it could have easily been 6-1. I hope he takes a cold shower today to cool down for tonight's game.
- Was really impressed with MC's fan presence, hopefully the Maine student section will be a bit fuller tonight.
- I hope tonight's TV feed will be better than other CW feeds which are glorified webcasts at best...
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
You are kidding, right? It was absolutely the right call. Its now called contact to the head and they are rightly trying to eliminate it from the game as much as possible. Doesnt matter where the kids head was, you cannot clean his clock regardless of where it is. That kid got a major concussion out of that hit....he was very groggy getting helped off the ice. Hes probably done for the year. Did Swaverly know his shoulder or elbow would contact his head going through there? Hell no, but that stuff has got to be discouraged wherever and whenever possible.
You are kidding, right? It was absolutely the right call. Its now called contact to the head and they are rightly trying to eliminate it from the game as much as possible. Doesnt matter where the kids head was, you cannot clean his clock regardless of where it is. That kid got a major concussion out of that hit....he was very groggy getting helped off the ice. Hes probably done for the year. Did Swaverly know his shoulder or elbow would contact his head going through there? Hell no, but that stuff has got to be discouraged wherever and whenever possible.
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rude1979us
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
So you can just lead every hit with your head down to draw 5 minute majors?
The rule change in 2010-11 says: "To make this rule more clear, any time a player targets the head or neck area of an opponent, it must be a major penalty and a game misconduct penalty at a minimum. This rule is not intended to cover incidental contact or contact with the head that occurs that should be a minor penalty (e.g., unintentional high stick, body check where the contact is initiated at the shoulder or torso, but the follow through makes some contact with the head)."
So by your own admission Swaverly was not "targeting" the head and therefor should have been a minor penalty.
Injuries can come from clean hits too, true or false?
So you can just lead every hit with your head down to draw 5 minute majors?
The rule change in 2010-11 says: "To make this rule more clear, any time a player targets the head or neck area of an opponent, it must be a major penalty and a game misconduct penalty at a minimum. This rule is not intended to cover incidental contact or contact with the head that occurs that should be a minor penalty (e.g., unintentional high stick, body check where the contact is initiated at the shoulder or torso, but the follow through makes some contact with the head)."
So by your own admission Swaverly was not "targeting" the head and therefor should have been a minor penalty.
Injuries can come from clean hits too, true or false?
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
I'm going to jump on the "deserved" side of the debate.
Don't tell me that the MC kid ducked into it. Swavely wasn't even in the tv shot when that happened. Whether he led with his forearm, shoulder, elbow, whatever. He knew he was hitting the MC guy's head. He had all the time in the world to change the point of contact. If anything, it looked like he shifted himself to make sure he didn't miss the MC guy's head.
Dumb.
I'm going to jump on the "deserved" side of the debate.
Don't tell me that the MC kid ducked into it. Swavely wasn't even in the tv shot when that happened. Whether he led with his forearm, shoulder, elbow, whatever. He knew he was hitting the MC guy's head. He had all the time in the world to change the point of contact. If anything, it looked like he shifted himself to make sure he didn't miss the MC guy's head.
Dumb.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Definitely, any contact to the head should be discouraged. It was probably the right call. The BDN article said he was taken to the hospital, hopefully for his sake he is alright.
Definitely, any contact to the head should be discouraged. It was probably the right call. The BDN article said he was taken to the hospital, hopefully for his sake he is alright.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Let's hope Joe B. Looks at the hit and suspends Swavely for the rest of the HEA playoffs. The intent to injure was there. We all know if a MC player took out a top Maine player for the rest of the series you would be calling for his head on a platter.
Let's hope Joe B. Looks at the hit and suspends Swavely for the rest of the HEA playoffs. The intent to injure was there. We all know if a MC player took out a top Maine player for the rest of the series you would be calling for his head on a platter.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Agree....stupid play, bad result. You wont hear me complaining if he sits out 5 games.
Agree....stupid play, bad result. You wont hear me complaining if he sits out 5 games.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
True perhaps, but I don't see a suspension coming of it at all. The intent to injure WAS NOT there. Five minute penalty by the fact he hit the head? Probably. I'd give you that. But he was trying to get position and the puck, he wasn't intentionally going for head. It wasn't very smart but it wasn't vicious. He also had his head down and was ducking so part of the blow was positional (not that I'm blaming Bates at all just saying it was extremely unfortunate). Most people who have watched Maine hockey all season know Swavely is probably one the least likely on the team to intentionally try to hurt another player.
I hope Bates is all right, no one ever wants to see that for either team.
True perhaps, but I don't see a suspension coming of it at all. The intent to injure WAS NOT there. Five minute penalty by the fact he hit the head? Probably. I'd give you that. But he was trying to get position and the puck, he wasn't intentionally going for head. It wasn't very smart but it wasn't vicious. He also had his head down and was ducking so part of the blow was positional (not that I'm blaming Bates at all just saying it was extremely unfortunate). Most people who have watched Maine hockey all season know Swavely is probably one the least likely on the team to intentionally try to hurt another player.
I hope Bates is all right, no one ever wants to see that for either team.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Yeah, and he went to the hospital because his gray matter got scattered....you cud see it in his face coming off the ice. He had the mental capacity of a worm at that point.
walrus
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
I'll bet Tim sits Swavely tonight, he won't need Joe B to step in, he'll sit the kid on his own. For what its worth Swavely is not a dirty player, he plays hard and does his job as a checker but I haven't noticed him being cheap. THis was a mistake, he deserved the 5 minutes and shouldn't play tonight if you ask me.
If he was going to take a shot at someone, Toomey would be the one
I'll bet Tim sits Swavely tonight, he won't need Joe B to step in, he'll sit the kid on his own. For what its worth Swavely is not a dirty player, he plays hard and does his job as a checker but I haven't noticed him being cheap. THis was a mistake, he deserved the 5 minutes and shouldn't play tonight if you ask me.
If he was going to take a shot at someone, Toomey would be the one
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
"Clean" isn't fair. Anybody who says clean on that hit, I mean clean implies no penalty at all and that's just wrong. I don't think there was an intent to injure, I'm not convinced a 5 and a 10 was warranted, but it was certainly illegal and 2 at the minimum and I somewhat understand the officials' desire to err with caution on the noggin these days.
That said a suspension, I just don't see that. There's no precedent for that in Hockey East. This isn't Shannaban where you get 3 games for sneezing on a guy.
"Clean" isn't fair. Anybody who says clean on that hit, I mean clean implies no penalty at all and that's just wrong. I don't think there was an intent to injure, I'm not convinced a 5 and a 10 was warranted, but it was certainly illegal and 2 at the minimum and I somewhat understand the officials' desire to err with caution on the noggin these days.
That said a suspension, I just don't see that. There's no precedent for that in Hockey East. This isn't Shannaban where you get 3 games for sneezing on a guy.
blackbearsfan45
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
True that - I don't know how he's been the rest of the year, but I thought Toomey was a complete puke last night...
I'll bet Tim sits Swavely tonight, he won't need Joe B to step in, he'll sit the kid on his own. For what its worth Swavely is not a dirty player, he plays hard and does his job as a checker but I haven't noticed him being cheap. THis was a mistake, he deserved the 5 minutes and shouldn't play tonight if you ask me.
If he was going to take a shot at someone, Toomey would be the one
True that - I don't know how he's been the rest of the year, but I thought Toomey was a complete puke last night...
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
I thought the section in yellow was not as loud as it could have been and when they did open their mouths nothing but "Pottie Chants" came out. Kid in front of me looked at his dad and said, "did you hear that." Disgusting at best.
I thought Swave's hit was high and earned the penalty, although I truly don't think he was head hunting. And agree with others who say he's not that type of player. It happens, now if was Bigos?
I thought the section in yellow was not as loud as it could have been and when they did open their mouths nothing but "Pottie Chants" came out. Kid in front of me looked at his dad and said, "did you hear that." Disgusting at best.
I thought Swave's hit was high and earned the penalty, although I truly don't think he was head hunting. And agree with others who say he's not that type of player. It happens, now if was Bigos?