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He says he's not dead.

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what really grinds me about this case - the boys involved were poor, dysfunctional families, nobody to look out for them. if McCreature had gone to JoePa and said - its your grandson or the ADs brother or one of the donors boy or a recruit - I think they would have been on this like ducks on June bugs. but it was just some charity case boys - shrugs - who cares? - I reported it. it bothers me obviously JoePa and Penn State knew about this from 1998 on and did very little. then he claims he didn't even know what rape of a man was? dog don't hunt ...
 
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Briefly changing the subject: Phil Vannater, lead investigator in the Simpson/Goldman murders.
 
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Brenthoven said:
To further state my position, the haters are in a black/white mode. I'm in a big time gray mode. It's not he's good OR he's bad. It's both. I'm choosing to remember the good on this particular day, and hoping (depending on pending details that will be released in the trials) that I can remember more good than bad from JoePa. It could change. This rabbit hole could run very, very deep. As of now, I think he did more good than bad, and no matter what, he WAS one of the faces of college football.
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This. There are a number of quotes saying he didn't go to the police. The police were involved after the initial report by Paterno. Why does everyone ignore this? It isn't as if he mumbled something and no one paid attention to it. The university, the police and child services all investigated. Sadly this stuff is really hard to move on. It doesn't make it right that he didn't go on a crusade against the guy but the 'experts' *** up in a big way. I get ticked that no one seems to be PO at them~ that was their job and they didn't do it.

you can't type F ' D up? Sheesh!
 
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huskyfan said:
what really grinds me about this case - the boys involved were poor, dysfunctional families, nobody to look out for them. if McCreature had gone to JoePa and said - its your grandson or the ADs brother or one of the donors boy or a recruit - I think they would have been on this like ducks on June bugs.
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This is a good point. Also, "ducks on June bugs" is a wonderful expression.
 
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leswp1 said:
This. There are a number of quotes saying he didn't go to the police. The police were involved after the initial report by Paterno. Why does everyone ignore this? It isn't as if he mumbled something and no one paid attention to it. The university, the police and child services all investigated. Sadly this stuff is really hard to move on. It doesn't make it right that he didn't go on a crusade against the guy but the 'experts' *** up in a big way. I get ticked that no one seems to be PO at them~ that was their job and they didn't do it.

you can't type F ' D up? Sheesh!
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I guess for some people you just bolame the most important or famous person. i agree with you totally-for some reason i seem to agree with the great percentage of what you post-there is enough blame to go around. Lots of people had the chance to stop this and did not. I was never one to idolize Paterno, I was never one of his fans-but to put so much blame on him while igonoring all the others is just plain silly. These cases are not going away-we will eventually hear a lot more and have a far better understanding perhaps of who knew and did what and when. If it turns out that Paterno was indeed a major villain-then will be the time to react to it. If, however, it turns out he did what he could and others ignored it, then we can also react properly to that. None of us were there and none of us know anything yet-just what the media(and we all know how they can present only the sensational side) has presented. I, for one, reserve judgement. I am not building any statues for Joe but at the same time I am not tearing any down just yet.
 
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leswp1 said:
This. There are a number of quotes saying he didn't go to the police. The police were involved after the initial report by Paterno. Why does everyone ignore this? It isn't as if he mumbled something and no one paid attention to it. The university, the police and child services all investigated. Sadly this stuff is really hard to move on. It doesn't make it right that he didn't go on a crusade against the guy but the 'experts' *** up in a big way. I get ticked that no one seems to be PO at them~ that was their job and they didn't do it.

you can't type F ' D up? Sheesh!
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We are p*ssed at the others. The problem is, they aren't being deified by half the nation.
 
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DrDemento said:
I guess for some people you just bolame the most important or famous person. i agree with you totally-for some reason i seem to agree with the great percentage of what you post-there is enough blame to go around. Lots of people had the chance to stop this and did not. I was never one to idolize Paterno, I was never one of his fans-but to put so much blame on him while igonoring all the others is just plain silly. These cases are not going away-we will eventually hear a lot more and have a far better understanding perhaps of who knew and did what and when. If it turns out that Paterno was indeed a major villain-then will be the time to react to it. If, however, it turns out he did what he could and others ignored it, then we can also react properly to that. None of us were there and none of us know anything yet-just what the media(and we all know how they can present only the sensational side) has presented. I, for one, reserve judgement. I am not building any statues for Joe but at the same time I am not tearing any down just yet.
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On the nose, Doc. David Brooks of the Times wrote about a certain vanity displayed by those who assert absolutely, positively what they would have done in similar circumstances. Cops will tell you it happens every day that people won't get involved, won't even dial 911, they just walk away.

Now here's something we can all agree on. Guess who says he's going to picket Paterno's funeral? God d*mn these people.

http://www.newser.com/story/138068/...e=9at9&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20120123
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
We are p*ssed at the others. The problem is, they aren't being deified by half the nation.
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I've never been a huge Paterno fan. The hagiography got out of hand, you ask me. Heck, I didn't even want 'em in the Big Ten. But the '87 Fiesta Bowl turned me around significantly. The Miami Hurricanes were up to their lips playing thugs, right down to the jungle fatigues. And the Penn State boys showed up wearing blazers and ties. Not hard for me to pick a winner there.

The reason why "half" the country is "deifying" Paterno is that he was one of the most successful sporting figures of our time. That, and the circumstances of his passing. The others who may share some of the blame here are ciphers, completely unknown and unknowable. Does it seem fair to pile on Paterno even more at this late date, because other essentially anonymous people in the system may have dropped the ball? Not to me.
 
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The Priceline Negotiator.... :(

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