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He says he's not dead.

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Old Pio said:
Speaking of Sonny Liston, Sugar said: "He's so scary, guys start bleeding during the national anthem."
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Yet he went down with a thud from the Anchor Punch in Lewiston Maine (that no one could see even in slow motion).:eek: Saw him take monster punches from huge heavyweights and just keep wading in and pulverize the guys. I think many people remember him for that one phantom punch than for all his other bouts. He was indeed scary.
 
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Kepler said:
Considering that coke is ubiquitous on the stand-up circuit and the guy is 65... this is a very good decision.

I'm honestly surprised any of those guys makes it to 50. Add overwork, stress, endless travel and drugs to whatever demons that made them choose the line of work in the first place. They're like rock stars only lonely all the time.
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The stress must be almost unmeasureable-they have to be funny even when they don't feel like it, or when they just received bad news, or even when they have a migraine headache. Carlin, Pryor, Gallagher-just a real tough life choice to be successful doing.
 
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DrDemento said:
The stress must be almost unmeasureable-they have to be funny even when they don't feel like it, or when they just received bad news, or even when they have a migraine headache.
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I have a feeling that "being funny" is a totally different animal for a professional and while intense it's the exercise of a particular set of skills, like playing chess or running the 100 meters. I don't know how emotionally involving it is -- actors, for instance, are famous for being able to wall off different parts of their consciousness.
 
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Saw Gallagher live my freshman year at Tech, seventh row. He was only scheduled for one show, until it sold out in 15 minutes. They decided to add three more.

I have never seen a theater covered in so much plastic sheeting. His contract specifications are a sight to behold - ponchos and eye protection for the first 5 rows, ponchos for the next 10 rows, plastic wrap on EVERY wall of the theater, etc.
 
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Kepler said:
I have a feeling that "being funny" is a totally different animal for a professional and while intense it's the exercise of a particular set of skills, like playing chess or running the 100 meters. I don't know how emotionally involving it is -- actors, for instance, are famous for being able to wall off different parts of their consciousness.
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Good point-but can you imagine what it must be like to have to go out in front of 3000+ fans in a theater and be funny-when you have a temp of 102 or a severe cluster headache? I think in that situation I would take whatever pharmaceutical I could find to get through the evening. Actors have a similar problem doing live theater(although I still think doing comedy is far more demanding)-but on a movie shoot I would guess they could postpone or reschedule.
 
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DrDemento said:
Yet he went down with a thud from the Anchor Punch in Lewiston Maine (that no one could see even in slow motion).:eek: Saw him take monster punches from huge heavyweights and just keep wading in and pulverize the guys. I think many people remember him for that one phantom punch than for all his other bouts. He was indeed scary.
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When he was a "debt collection specialist" for the mob in St. Louis, Liston once got into a beef with a cop. One thing led to another and the cop hit Sonny in the head with his stick. Sonny took the stick away from the cop, and struck him across the thigh, breaking it. Sonny then dumped the cop in a garbage can and headed out the door. A very tough dude. He fought 7 or 8 rounds against Cleveland Williams with a broken jaw. But we're supposed to believe an Ali jab, in the first round, KOed a guy who'd never been knocked down? Je le doute.

Doc, I'm sure you and I are among the tiny minority around here who remember what a clown show that fight in Lewiston was. Joe Walcott was the referee ("guest" referees are frequently disasters) and when Liston went down in the first, Joe lost the count. Liston got up and began exchanging punches with Ali for a few seconds. Then Nat Fleisher of Ring Magazine, who was probably around 90 at the time, stood up on his chair, furiously waving his arms to get Wolcott's attention, to let him know the knockdown count had gotten to ten, and Liston was out. In a subsequent ABC's Wide World of Sports, Rocky Marciano said Liston took a dive.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Saw Gallagher live my freshman year at Tech, seventh row. He was only scheduled for one show, until it sold out in 15 minutes. They decided to add three more.

I have never seen a theater covered in so much plastic sheeting. His contract specifications are a sight to behold - ponchos and eye protection for the first 5 rows, ponchos for the next 10 rows, plastic wrap on EVERY wall of the theater, etc.
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Sledge O Matic was funny all right. But he used to make fun of political advertising: "I'm Mike Strong, and I'm a candidate for the senate. This is my wife Alice. And my kids, Tom and Sally." And Gallagher would say: "Oh good, his d*ck works."
 
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Old Pio said:
When he was a "debt collection specialist" for the mob in St. Louis, Liston once got into a beef with a cop. One thing led to another and the cop hit Sonny in the head with his stick. Sonny took the stick away from the cop, and struck him across the thigh, breaking it. Sonny then dumped the cop in a garbage can and headed out the door. A very tough dude. He fought 7 or 8 rounds against Cleveland Williams with a broken jaw. But we're supposed to believe an Ali jab, in the first round, KOed a guy who'd never been knocked down? Je le doute.

Doc, I'm sure you and I are among the tiny minority around here who remember what a clown show that fight in Lewiston was. Joe Walcott was the referee ("guest" referees are frequently disasters) and when Liston went down in the first, Joe lost the count. Liston got up and began exchanging punches with Ali for a few seconds. Then Nat Fleisher of Ring Magazine, who was probably around 90 at the time, stood up on his chair, furiously waving his arms to get Wolcott's attention, to let him know the knockdown count had gotten to ten, and Liston was out. In a subsequent ABC's Wide World of Sports, Rocky Marciano said Liston took a dive.
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And Cleveland Williams was no slouch either. Big fellow that many up and coming heavyweights tried to avoid. Much like Earnie Shavers a few years later. These guys could take you out with one punch. I remember the look in Floyd Patterson's eyes for the first Liston fight when i saw the films of it-total fear-and also the look on his face after he absorbed the first hard punch from Sonny. Sure Liston was older when he fought in Lewiston-but he not only went down from that jab-he could not get up without falling over a few times.
 
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DrDemento said:
And Cleveland Williams was no slouch either. Big fellow that many up and coming heavyweights tried to avoid. Much like Earnie Shavers a few years later. These guys could take you out with one punch. I remember the look in Floyd Patterson's eyes for the first Liston fight when i saw the films of it-total fear-and also the look on his face after he absorbed the first hard punch from Sonny. Sure Liston was older when he fought in Lewiston-but he not only went down from that jab-he could not get up without falling over a few times.
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Sonny's age was always an issue. He may have been 37 or 38 when he lost the title to Ali in Miami. And you just can't give away 15 years to a supremely talented, superbly conditioned guy like Ali. I've always thought Sonny just went down the first chance he got in Lewiston. He was out of heavyweight championship contention and was going to get the same money whether it went 15 or 1. And Sonny definitely had some skeletons in his closet. His manager?: "Blinky" Palermo. No doubt a solid citizen. We'll never really know how good he was because he spent what would have been his best years in prison. I just know this, if he and Mike Tyson shared a prison cell, Sonny'd turn Tyson into his b*tch in about five minutes. Sonny Liston was the real deal, a really bad hombre. His jab was like getting shot in the face by a .105 howitzer.

I always liked and admired Patterson, but he was really a light heavy and was just in way over his head with Liston. But heavyweight is where the really big money is. Cus D'Amato kept Floyd away from Liston as long as he could.
 
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"What Ms. Hilton is seeking here is for the court to make sure that Zsa Zsa's best interests are not being sacrificed for the selfish interests of anyone involved in Zsa Zsa's life," said Hilton lawyer Kenneth Kossoff.

I know this isn't fair, and one or two family members shouldn't f up the whole family, but I don't know how I feel about any Hilton decrying the selfish interests of anyone else. Just sayin'...
 
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duper said:
"What Ms. Hilton is seeking here is for the court to make sure that Zsa Zsa's best interests are not being sacrificed for the selfish interests of anyone involved in Zsa Zsa's life," said Hilton lawyer Kenneth Kossoff.

I know this isn't fair, and one or two family members shouldn't f up the whole family, but I don't know how I feel about any Hilton decrying the selfish interests of anyone else. Just sayin'...
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Agreed. My take on the story is that if they are getting the legal people involved.....it's sooner than later. Of course, when she broke her hip 2 (?) years ago, I thought that same thought, and look what happened.
 
Brenthoven said:
Agreed. My take on the story is that if they are getting the legal people involved.....it's sooner than later. Of course, when she broke her hip 2 (?) years ago, I thought that same thought, and look what happened.
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On a long enough timeline, the survivability of someone goes to zero.
 
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