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Has UND lost in conference realignment?

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HoosierBBall_GopherHockey said:
Randall Cobb of Green Bay, and he's pretty good. IU, one of the crappiest FBS teams in the history of football, currently has something like 6 NFL players.
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Out of about 1700 NFL players. Joel Otto played for BSU back before they even hit D-1, and he had a nice NHL career. But that doesn't mean that BSU suddenly started stealing elite recruits from teams like UND, DU or MN.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
So Roman is your key source for this info? Yikes!
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No.

Roman was at the WCHA post-game function with the others mentioned, plus myself, when the news broke that a superconference was being considered.

Roman chose to print it two days later.
 
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SJHovey said:
Those NCHC schools not named UMD and SCSU have relatively few Minnesota players on their roster. DU, CC, WMU and Miami have just 8 between them. UND and UNO have 6 each. As long as Dean Blais is at UNO they will have no trouble recruiting in Minnesota. UND, just because of it's geographic location and it's history will always be able to pick up the 4-6 Minnesota kids they have on their roster each year, whether they play UMD and SCSU, or not.

I really don't understand the whole seismic shift in recruiting theory that's going around as a result of the conference shifts. I don't see recruiting affected one bit.

Minnesota, Michigan, and to a large extent Wisconsin and Michigan State have always had the pick of the recruits. That's not going to change, for good or for bad.

That means we are literally talking about the recruiting of two teams, Ohio St. and Penn St. The theory seems to be these two schools will now, as a result of the formation of the BTHC, steal elite recruits from DU, UND, UMD and CC (although apparently not from ND, BU, BC, MN, MI, MSU or Wis), resulting in a two conference sport.

Can anyone point to any example where that has happened in collegiate sports? And if this is what happens, can someone explain to me why the Minnesota football team is left with those recruits from Minnesota that "elite" teams, and NDSU, don't want? Or why for the life of me I can't name a single player in the NFL who ever played for Kentucky? Or why I never seem to hear the names of the "elite" players from Washington St. called when I watch the NBA draft?

Granted, I've never been recruited as a major college athlete. But I personally wouldn't find appealing the pitch, "come to our school kid and you get to be thrashed weekly by the best in the college game."

Like the original poster, I am a UND fan. I was also disappointed in the Big 10's decision, and not in favor of the formation of the NCHC.

But not because I believe any school will receive some advantage, or for that matter, be harmed by this change. Mine was purely a selfish reason. The loss of conference away games much closer to where I live. The loss of a great conference tournament close to where I live. The loss of long time rivals. But that's something all current WCHA and CCHA fans are about to lose, so we're in the same boat.
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Wait. In what world is 6 players on a roster "not many"? Are you saying recruiting in MN is unimportant to UND? Would UND be impacted by a diminished recruiting foot print in MN? I think so.
 
dggoddard said:
No.

Roman was at the WCHA post-game function with the others mentioned, plus myself, when the news broke that a superconference was being considered.

Roman chose to print it two days later.
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And you and Roman are the only ones to report Notre Dame was the driving force behind the NCHC? Or were there others? Because I'm sorry, don't really know you and I know Roman enough not to put too much weight on what we writes about hockey. He's like a hockey news aggregator, and not everything he writes is accurate.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Wait. In what world is 6 players on a roster "not many"? Are you saying recruiting in MN is unimportant to UND? Would UND be impacted by a diminished recruiting foot print in MN? I think so.
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You must have forgot to read the last sentence in the first paragraph of Hovey's post. Of course Minnesota players are important to UND hockey... Diminished recruiting footprint of Minnesota players for North Dakota? Not. Going. To. Happen. Recruits like Poganski and Gersich prove no F's are given when it comes to the big10 hockey. I for one believe that will not change in the foreseeable future, at least for UND.
 
willythekid said:
You must have forgot to read the last sentence in the first paragraph of Hovey's post. Of course Minnesota players are important to UND hockey... Diminished recruiting footprint of Minnesota players for North Dakota? Not. Going. To. Happen. Recruits like Poganski and Gersich prove no F's are given when it comes to the big10 hockey. I for one believe that will not change in the foreseeable future, at least for UND.
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You mean you hope it doesn't happen. Because not many things in life our certain, and UND always having a recruiting foot print in MN certainly isn't one of them.

I'd have to imagine that not playing the Gophers regularly (or at all the next 4 years at least) and a decreased TV presence in MN won't have a positive effect on their recruiting in MN.
 
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I've heard the same thing in regards to Notre Dame initiating the talks of the NCHC. And neither dg nor Roman are the source of said information.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
And you and Roman are the only ones to report Notre Dame was the driving force behind the NCHC? Or were there others? Because I'm sorry, don't really know you and I know Roman enough not to put too much weight on what we writes about hockey. He's like a hockey news aggregator, and not everything he writes is accurate.
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Key point of distinction. Notre Dame was the driving force behind the "superconference" that never happened. DU & UND set up the NCHC.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
A source would be nice, because I've heard none of that except here.

I don't read Roman.
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Then how do you know he's a hockey news aggregator and not everything he writes is accurate? A source would be nice, because I've heard none of that except here.
 
dggoddard said:
Key point of distinction. Notre Dame was the driving force behind the "superconference" that never happened. DU & UND set up the NCHC.
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Interesting stuff if true, but hearing all the griping about WCHA leadership coming out of DU and UND, I have a hard time believing those programs weren't drivers from the beginning as well.
 
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Well that's all fine and dandy as cotton candy. But you do read Roman if you read his tweets.
 
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Has UND lost in conference realignment? Yes and so has every non Big Ten school in the WCHA and CCHA. We are going to find out pretty quickly if the MPLS/St.Paul media cover non-Big Ten hockey schools. There probably will be blip here or there but in my opinion as the years go on it will be less and less. The best Twin Cities players likely will continue to play for the Gophers, where things get interesting can a UND or a UMD poach area recruits from the Gophers. Possibly, but really nothing changes. It is not like we are going to see more schools adding hockey to compete with UND or any other NCHC school. Currently, does PSU or OSU compete for the same recruits as UND? Nope. UND will continue to get the NW MN kids and western Canada already in their recruiting footprint. It is going to take five to ten years before we see any stabilization in college hockey.
 
4four4 said:
Has UND lost in conference realignment? Yes and so has every non Big Ten school in the WCHA and CCHA. We are going to find out pretty quickly if the MPLS/St.Paul media cover non-Big Ten hockey schools. There probably will be blip here or there but in my opinion as the years go on it will be less and less. The best Twin Cities players likely will continue to play for the Gophers, where things get interesting can a UND or a UMD poach area recruits from the Gophers. Possibly, but really nothing changes. It is not like we are going to see more schools adding hockey to compete with UND or any other NCHC school. Currently, does PSU or OSU compete for the same recruits as UND? Nope. UND will continue to get the NW MN kids and western Canada already in their recruiting footprint. It is going to take five to ten years before we see any stabilization in college hockey.
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IMO the NCHC's new TV deal hurts UND more than the realignment does. Really reduces their visibility nationally. How the H-E double hockey sticks UND ever agreed to a deal that gives CBS exclusivity to their games nationally is beyond me.
 
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LynahFan said:
By which point something ELSE will have changed...
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Yep. Like, how strong will the new WCHA be? For the good of college hockey I really hope they can somewhat keep up with the NCHC but I have my doubts. Also, does Delaney have the ability to recruit BC and Notre Dame to the Big Ten? If he get both to sign up than all bets are off and the Big Ten becomes "the" elite hockey conference in America and better than CHL. That my friends will make things interesting.
 
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4four4 said:
Also, does Delaney have the ability to recruit BC and Notre Dame to the Big Ten? If he get both to sign up than all bets are off and the Big Ten becomes "the" elite hockey conference in America and better than CHL. That my friends will make things interesting.
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If "Conference Realignment Roulette" has taught us anything, you can bet a Notre Dame-BC move to the B1G would be quickly followed by something like UNH & BU to the NCHC. BU didn't build a $225 million arena to host east coast punching bags.

Of course BC would first need to come up with the $40 million exit fee to the ACC.
 
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