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Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
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Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
Wow, okay, time for me to eat some humble pie (had enough blueberry and apple). Geez, I didn't see this coming at all. Some suggested in the Scores thread that perhaps Cornell left it on the ice with Dartmouth and didn't have much left for today. Dartmouth also surprisingly had a difficult game against Colgate and that was eye opening. Guess the league is truly wide open this year - Clarkson and SLU seem to have an opening here maybe?
Wow, okay, time for me to eat some humble pie (had enough blueberry and apple). Geez, I didn't see this coming at all. Some suggested in the Scores thread that perhaps Cornell left it on the ice with Dartmouth and didn't have much left for today. Dartmouth also surprisingly had a difficult game against Colgate and that was eye opening. Guess the league is truly wide open this year - Clarkson and SLU seem to have an opening here maybe?
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From my previous post, I found it interesting that Katey Stone went with Maschmeyer today against Cornell. To me that says coach thinks Maschmeyer may give her a better chance to win against top competition. I know, I know, it's early and Bellamy is still #1. But if Maschmeyer excels against ranked competition, how can you not start her? She has an impressive resume coming to Harvard and goaltending can be such a difference maker.
From my previous post, I found it interesting that Katey Stone went with Maschmeyer today against Cornell. To me that says coach thinks Maschmeyer may give her a better chance to win against top competition. I know, I know, it's early and Bellamy is still #1. But if Maschmeyer excels against ranked competition, how can you not start her? She has an impressive resume coming to Harvard and goaltending can be such a difference maker.
alslammerz
Harvard Hockey Broadcaster '09-'12
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
Now if only this game could have been not during the Thanksgiving break so I could have gone. Nothing like the home opener (and biggest rivalry game) being during the holidays
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Now if only this game could have been not during the Thanksgiving break so I could have gone. Nothing like the home opener (and biggest rivalry game) being during the holidays
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IceIsNice
Huh? Whoopie Pies? WHERE???
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
For the first time in a couple of weeks, it will be interesting to see the shake up in the polls as a result of this. No change with Minny, but with this loss for Cornell, coupled with off weeks for Clarky and Hurst, and strings of wins for BC and Harvard...... 2 through 6 might all be a little different come Monday afternoon.
I was impressed with Maschmeyer yesterday. On the flip side, I'm still trying to decipher what I saw....either Harvard is THAT fast and THAT good or Cornell simply isn't a top 5 team, let alone #2. In particular, Cornell had enough miscues on the breakout between their own faceoff dots and blue line to provide Senor Doug with an entire month of video material. It wasn't pretty. So, how much of that to credit to the seemingly ubiquitous Harvard forecheck, I'm not sure. I'll give kudos to the freshman netminders performance, but clearly she was backing a team that seemed to be firing on all cylinders.
For the first time in a couple of weeks, it will be interesting to see the shake up in the polls as a result of this. No change with Minny, but with this loss for Cornell, coupled with off weeks for Clarky and Hurst, and strings of wins for BC and Harvard...... 2 through 6 might all be a little different come Monday afternoon.
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OnMAA
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I'm not surprised. Have seen both teams play, and IMHO Harvard has a better team speed system than Cornell, on the occasions I saw each team. Harvard is deeper up front, and in the game I saw, their Breakout, 1-2-3 pass on the fly is the best I've seen this year.
If you take a close look at the comparable team results, Harvard has the edge as well, specially if you take out last weekend Colgate-Cornell games. Harvard has had better results against common opponents. Cornell has had trouble putting away teams that are on paper not as good as them, while Harvard has been dominant against those type of teams int he ECAC.
This promises to be an exciting year to watch the race for top spot in the ECAC.
I'm not surprised. Have seen both teams play, and IMHO Harvard has a better team speed system than Cornell, on the occasions I saw each team. Harvard is deeper up front, and in the game I saw, their Breakout, 1-2-3 pass on the fly is the best I've seen this year.
If you take a close look at the comparable team results, Harvard has the edge as well, specially if you take out last weekend Colgate-Cornell games. Harvard has had better results against common opponents. Cornell has had trouble putting away teams that are on paper not as good as them, while Harvard has been dominant against those type of teams int he ECAC.
This promises to be an exciting year to watch the race for top spot in the ECAC.
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Between periods of the Colgate game on Friday, the talk in my section centered around Jo Pucci and the severity of her concussion. Apparently, this is not her first concussion and the fear is that she may never play hockey again based on this last hit (a la Lane MacDonald who sustained several concussions and never got a taste of the NHL unfortunately). I hope that is not the case and that she will recover to play again. If anyone has any updates, it would be much appreciated.
Between periods of the Colgate game on Friday, the talk in my section centered around Jo Pucci and the severity of her concussion. Apparently, this is not her first concussion and the fear is that she may never play hockey again based on this last hit (a la Lane MacDonald who sustained several concussions and never got a taste of the NHL unfortunately). I hope that is not the case and that she will recover to play again. If anyone has any updates, it would be much appreciated.
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Perhaps Cornell is having a hard time getting up for these games because they pretty much have ruled the ECAC for the past three seasons. Except for the hiccup in last season's ECAC tournament final, they have been money in the bank. I know they graduated some important players but they seemed to have enough coming back to lead the pack again. Again, just speculation on my part. I've only seen some highlights of their play this year so I can't comment on any one game or opponent. My hope is that the rest of the league is catching up to them. Looks like Clarkson certainly is making a statement so far. Will be interesting to see the poll results next week.
Perhaps Cornell is having a hard time getting up for these games because they pretty much have ruled the ECAC for the past three seasons. Except for the hiccup in last season's ECAC tournament final, they have been money in the bank. I know they graduated some important players but they seemed to have enough coming back to lead the pack again. Again, just speculation on my part. I've only seen some highlights of their play this year so I can't comment on any one game or opponent. My hope is that the rest of the league is catching up to them. Looks like Clarkson certainly is making a statement so far. Will be interesting to see the poll results next week.
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I agree that the ECAC is very competitive this year...,may be top to bottom (dare I say it?) the BEST league in the country. On any night any team can win. Harvard didn't exactly dominate the night before over the obvious league bottom dweller while Cornell expended a lot of energy defeating the always tough Green team.
The game last night was a very close game and until late in the 3rd could've gone either way. It was 1-1 with Harvard having dominated the 1st and Cornell controlled most of the play in the 2nd. There were a lot of penalties and Harvard was able to capitalize on a turn-over during a 4 on 4. Cornell got couple late penalties which killed any comeback momentum. But I don't see the wheels falling off the Big Red and I suspect it will be a different game when they meet again (probably more than once more this year!).
Good win by Harvard for sure,not taking anything away from them. Played a great game!
I agree that the ECAC is very competitive this year...,may be top to bottom (dare I say it?) the BEST league in the country. On any night any team can win. Harvard didn't exactly dominate the night before over the obvious league bottom dweller while Cornell expended a lot of energy defeating the always tough Green team.
The game last night was a very close game and until late in the 3rd could've gone either way. It was 1-1 with Harvard having dominated the 1st and Cornell controlled most of the play in the 2nd. There were a lot of penalties and Harvard was able to capitalize on a turn-over during a 4 on 4. Cornell got couple late penalties which killed any comeback momentum. But I don't see the wheels falling off the Big Red and I suspect it will be a different game when they meet again (probably more than once more this year!).
Good win by Harvard for sure,not taking anything away from them. Played a great game!
Watson Rink
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An Era of Good Feelings
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What a lot of recent posts with thoughtful analysis! Here are a few random follow-on thoughts:
Goaltending. Wonder who will start tomorrow against NU? So far Bellamy has started on three Fridays and Maschmeyer on three Saturdays, resulting in Maschmeyer drawing the Cornell match-up. Since Bellamy played the extra Sunday game against BU, does that mean she's currently the #1 goalie or will Maschmeyer get the nod for NU, meaning they're splitting the duties? Don't know. In any case, Maschmeyer's experience prior to Harvard ought to provide assurance that she's the real deal, though not necessarily (as one poster reminded us) going to end up as one of the four best in the collegiate ranks which is what a team may need to have in order to get to the Frozen Four. In the meantime, having both goalies around this year will allow them to deal better with nagging injuries and flu-like symptoms as well as perservere through any more serious injuries. It's pretty amazing to consider what Bellamy has done ever since Kestler went down: as a freshman she stepped in without missing a beat, continued the team's winning momentum with only one disappointing game (and if I recall she was hung out to dry in the opening minutes of that game when two aggressive pinch-ins resulted in two quick odd-man rushes), and as a sophomore and junior she bore the burden all by herself and acquitted herself well. While admittedly not at the Canadian U-22 team level of Kestler and Maschmeyer, she has made an enormous contribution to the team's success and I expect will continue to do so.
Line Juggling. The Colgate game may have allowed more room to experiment with line combinations, for the composition of lines seemed more consistent in the Cornell match, the chief exception being the occasional switching of Armstrong and Mary Parker between the first and second lines and some throwing together of fresh players following power plays.
Defensive Pairings. Again, the Cornell game saw Picard and Romatoski paired pretty consistently, with Edney paired with the other defensemen and, on power plays, with Fry.
Depth. Last year, goal and forward were thin; this year, depth at goal and forward is a strength (although the loss of Pucci and Gedman has of course made the D vulnerable to injury, illness and fatigue). Hats off to Elizabeth Parker for making the transition to D. Notice how much potential talent this year's third line (two sophomores and a freshman) appears to have and how much ice time they're getting.
Forecheck and Breakout. As other posters have noted, this year's team appears to perform at the same high level as Katey Stone's teams always do in terms of relentless forechecking, speedy backchecking and effortless breaking out of their own zone. You don't need to be a scorer to do these things well, you just need conditioning, coaching, a proper attitude and a lot of heart.
An Era of Good Feelings
What a lot of recent posts with thoughtful analysis! Here are a few random follow-on thoughts:
Goaltending. Wonder who will start tomorrow against NU? So far Bellamy has started on three Fridays and Maschmeyer on three Saturdays, resulting in Maschmeyer drawing the Cornell match-up. Since Bellamy played the extra Sunday game against BU, does that mean she's currently the #1 goalie or will Maschmeyer get the nod for NU, meaning they're splitting the duties? Don't know. In any case, Maschmeyer's experience prior to Harvard ought to provide assurance that she's the real deal, though not necessarily (as one poster reminded us) going to end up as one of the four best in the collegiate ranks which is what a team may need to have in order to get to the Frozen Four. In the meantime, having both goalies around this year will allow them to deal better with nagging injuries and flu-like symptoms as well as perservere through any more serious injuries. It's pretty amazing to consider what Bellamy has done ever since Kestler went down: as a freshman she stepped in without missing a beat, continued the team's winning momentum with only one disappointing game (and if I recall she was hung out to dry in the opening minutes of that game when two aggressive pinch-ins resulted in two quick odd-man rushes), and as a sophomore and junior she bore the burden all by herself and acquitted herself well. While admittedly not at the Canadian U-22 team level of Kestler and Maschmeyer, she has made an enormous contribution to the team's success and I expect will continue to do so.
Line Juggling. The Colgate game may have allowed more room to experiment with line combinations, for the composition of lines seemed more consistent in the Cornell match, the chief exception being the occasional switching of Armstrong and Mary Parker between the first and second lines and some throwing together of fresh players following power plays.
Defensive Pairings. Again, the Cornell game saw Picard and Romatoski paired pretty consistently, with Edney paired with the other defensemen and, on power plays, with Fry.
Depth. Last year, goal and forward were thin; this year, depth at goal and forward is a strength (although the loss of Pucci and Gedman has of course made the D vulnerable to injury, illness and fatigue). Hats off to Elizabeth Parker for making the transition to D. Notice how much potential talent this year's third line (two sophomores and a freshman) appears to have and how much ice time they're getting.
Forecheck and Breakout. As other posters have noted, this year's team appears to perform at the same high level as Katey Stone's teams always do in terms of relentless forechecking, speedy backchecking and effortless breaking out of their own zone. You don't need to be a scorer to do these things well, you just need conditioning, coaching, a proper attitude and a lot of heart.
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Oh, hogwash. The eternal cult of the goalie is really annoying. You need one of the eight best teams to get into the tournament, and then you have a fighting chance to get to the Frozen Four no matter who your goalie is. Sometimes being one of the eight best teams means having one of the four bet goalies. Sometimes it means having one of the four best third lines. And so on. Hockey history is rife with examples of teams that won with mediocre goalies. I love Chris Osgood, but he has three Stanley Cup rings because he was an adequate goalie with a great personality who played for great teams. There is at least one team in DI women's hockey that has been a rash all over the NCAA tournament the last couple of years with a goalie who is good but not great.
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Oh, hogwash. The eternal cult of the goalie is really annoying. You need one of the eight best teams to get into the tournament, and then you have a fighting chance to get to the Frozen Four no matter who your goalie is. Sometimes being one of the eight best teams means having one of the four bet goalies. Sometimes it means having one of the four best third lines. And so on. Hockey history is rife with examples of teams that won with mediocre goalies. I love Chris Osgood, but he has three Stanley Cup rings because he was an adequate goalie with a great personality who played for great teams. There is at least one team in DI women's hockey that has been a rash all over the NCAA tournament the last couple of years with a goalie who is good but not great.
brookyone
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...and here I thought I was the only one who maintained this opinion.
HockeyFan87
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Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
Oh, I hope this isn't true. Pucci is one of my favorite players & she seems like a great person as well. Yes, I agree with Skate79--any updates would be appreciated. When did this hit occur? I don't remember hearing anything about it during/after the U-22 series in August. Considering she was on the roster, USA hockey was obviously under the assumption that she was healthy when the pre-4 Nations roster was released a month or so before the event. Must've been a hell of a hit for there to be a fear for her career, though.
On a more positive note, another good win for Harvard against a tough team. Mashmeyer with another start. Have to wonder if she will get most of the starts now.
Oh, I hope this isn't true. Pucci is one of my favorite players & she seems like a great person as well. Yes, I agree with Skate79--any updates would be appreciated. When did this hit occur? I don't remember hearing anything about it during/after the U-22 series in August. Considering she was on the roster, USA hockey was obviously under the assumption that she was healthy when the pre-4 Nations roster was released a month or so before the event. Must've been a hell of a hit for there to be a fear for her career, though.
On a more positive note, another good win for Harvard against a tough team. Mashmeyer with another start. Have to wonder if she will get most of the starts now.
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I would say that against the ranked teams or the top teams in the ECAC, she should be the starting goalie. She is showing that she can stand up to these teams and deliver the goods. Harvard was badly outshot against the Huskies yet they came out with the win. I didn't see the game but I would be willing to bet that Maschmeyer had a lot to do with the W.
I would say that against the ranked teams or the top teams in the ECAC, she should be the starting goalie. She is showing that she can stand up to these teams and deliver the goods. Harvard was badly outshot against the Huskies yet they came out with the win. I didn't see the game but I would be willing to bet that Maschmeyer had a lot to do with the W.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
You're reading the stats wrong. I watched the game, and Maschmeyer was only challenged a handful of times. The Crimson blocked a lot of shots. I think they'd have won that game with either goalie.
alslammerz
Harvard Hockey Broadcaster '09-'12
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
Katey Stone was not very happy with her team's effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LeU1UBM5vAY
Katey Stone was not very happy with her team's effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LeU1UBM5vAY
Watson Rink
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Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013
"How happy could I be with either/were t'other dear charmer away/but if you still tease me together/to neither a word I will say" -- Captain Macheath (Mack the knife) in The Beggar's Opera (1727).
What a luxury to be vacillating between two excellent goaltenders! If we were to get down into the weeds of parsing the statistics, we'd see that Katey has given Maschmeyer a whopping 41 seconds more ice time whereas Bellamy's save percentage outshines Maschmeyer's by an enormous
.002; both have an 0.75 GAA (insert smily face for irony). In terms of difficulty of schedule, Maschmeyer has played Cornell and NU while Bellamy has played BU and Quinny, so a bit more of a challenge for Maschmeyer, but if the current Friday/Saturday alternation continues, Bellamy will draw Dartmouth and Providence while Maschmeyer faces UNH and the Russian exhibition team, so for the first half of the season their degree of difficulty would end up being pretty much identical.
If I were in Katey's shoes, I suspect I'd just continue with the current rotation until illness or injury cropped up, or one goalie proved to be clearly more effective. Four games apiece isn't a very large statistical sample.
"How happy could I be with either/were t'other dear charmer away/but if you still tease me together/to neither a word I will say" -- Captain Macheath (Mack the knife) in The Beggar's Opera (1727).
What a luxury to be vacillating between two excellent goaltenders! If we were to get down into the weeds of parsing the statistics, we'd see that Katey has given Maschmeyer a whopping 41 seconds more ice time whereas Bellamy's save percentage outshines Maschmeyer's by an enormous
.002; both have an 0.75 GAA (insert smily face for irony). In terms of difficulty of schedule, Maschmeyer has played Cornell and NU while Bellamy has played BU and Quinny, so a bit more of a challenge for Maschmeyer, but if the current Friday/Saturday alternation continues, Bellamy will draw Dartmouth and Providence while Maschmeyer faces UNH and the Russian exhibition team, so for the first half of the season their degree of difficulty would end up being pretty much identical.
If I were in Katey's shoes, I suspect I'd just continue with the current rotation until illness or injury cropped up, or one goalie proved to be clearly more effective. Four games apiece isn't a very large statistical sample.
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