Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

[pakidnyc]

What happened? Injuries? Academics? That is huge. No wonder we're not picked nationally.

Yes, very huge.....and would answer your comment abourpt no Pucci mention and E. Parker transitioning to D.

Injuries. Check the ECAC thread. There's a discussion about it.

While it is not one but two major losses to the Harvard blue line, I once heard a story about an injury laden Harvard defensive core and a young forward converted to D - Caitlin Cahow.....and things somehow worked out okay for her!

 

[pakidnyc]

Season preview video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UyZjmijDyh8#!

I watched this link. In the end, Stone talks about having brought in some players with national team experiences, but also developing players who move on internationally. How much of this is really development OR maybe the coach happens to be the NATL team head coach???

 

[Skate79]

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I watched this link. In the end, Stone talks about having brought in some players with national team experiences, but also developing players who move on internationally. How much of this is really development OR maybe the coach happens to be the NATL team head coach???

Well she is going to be the Olympic coach for 2014 so it seems natural for her to have one eye on her program at Harvard and one eye trained for talent for Sochi. Her being the Olympic coach will hopefully make a big impact on future recruits for Harvard.

 

[Skate79]

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Yes, very huge.....and would answer your comment abourpt no Pucci mention and E. Parker transitioning to D.

Injuries. Check the ECAC thread. There's a discussion about it.

While it is not one but two major losses to the Harvard blue line, I once heard a story about an injury laden Harvard defensive core and a young forward converted to D - Caitlin Cahow.....and things somehow worked out okay for her!

Yes it did but when Caitlin made the move, she had experienced D helping her make the transition. In this case, Parker doesn't have a Pucci or Gedman to lean on. I'm guessing that Edney and Picard will see major minutes this year and that will catch up to Harvard as the season progresses. This is such a huge blow to lose both Pucci and Gedman. Gedman at least has another year. Pucci is done unless she does a redshirt but I doubt it seeing as the Olympics are coming up in 2014.

 

[Hux]

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Yes it did but when Caitlin made the move, she had experienced D helping her make the transition. In this case, Parker doesn't have a Pucci or Gedman to lean on. I'm guessing that Edney and Picard will see major minutes this year and that will catch up to Harvard as the season progresses. This is such a huge blow to lose both Pucci and Gedman. Gedman at least has another year. Pucci is done unless she does a redshirt but I doubt it seeing as the Olympics are coming up in 2014.

Just to get you up to speed, they have both withdrawn from school, so eligibility stays the same.

 

[OnMAA]

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Gedman at least has another year. Pucci is done unless she does a redshirt but I doubt it seeing as the Olympics are coming up in 2014.

In addition, I believe that there is a NCAA rule where you can sit out a year, if you are part of an Olympic team in an Olympic year, without red shirting or losing a year on the NCAA time calendar (do 4 in 5).

 

[Skate79]

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So essentially Pucci, if she recovers sufficiently, can play in the Olympics (assuming she makes the team) and return for her senior season in the fall of 2014. Or if she fails to make the team, she and Gedman can return in the fall of 2013.

Does anyone have any information regarding their injuries? I have to say that when I heard they BOTH suffered season ending injuries, my mind wandered to the cheating scandal that has hit the College and wondered if instead of injuries, they were somehow involved. Two men's basketball players who were implicated have withdrawn from school. Hoping that Pucci and Gedman were not part of this terrible incident.

 

[pakidnyc]

So essentially Pucci, if she recovers sufficiently, can play in the Olympics (assuming she makes the team) and return for her senior season in the fall of 2014. Or if she fails to make the team, she and Gedman can return in the fall of 2013.

Does anyone have any information regarding their injuries? I have to say that when I heard they BOTH suffered season ending injuries, my mind wandered to the cheating scandal that has hit the College and wondered if instead of injuries, they were somehow involved. Two men's basketball players who were implicated have withdrawn from school. Hoping that Pucci and Gedman were not part of this terrible incident.

I have no knowledge about the aforementioned scandal but now must google. From what I am told, Pucci has a serious concussion and Gedman had surgery to repair a torn Achilles heal. If Pucci shows up on the Four Nations Camp roster this weekend, that may draw some eyebrows. But, from what I am told they both have serious injuries and need to heal properly.

 

[OnMAA]

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In addition, I believe that there is a NCAA rule where you can sit out a year, if you are part of an Olympic team in an Olympic year, without red shirting or losing a year on the NCAA time calendar (do 4 in 5).

Here are some of those rules as taken from:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf


"14.2.1 Five-Year Rule. A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar
years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum
full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official religious
missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For international students,
service in the armed forces or on an official religious mission of the student’s home country is considered
equivalent to such service in the United States. (Revised: 4/2/10)"

Editors note: There are 5 waiver rules, the fourth one being the following:

"14.2.1.4 Athletics Activities Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or a committee
designated by it, shall have the authority to waive this provision by a two-thirds majority of its members present
and voting to permit student-athletes to participate in:
(a) Official Pan American, World Championships, World Cup, World University Games, World University
Championships and Olympic training, tryouts and competition; (Revised: 1/10/91, 1/9/96, 1/14/12);

(b) Officially recognized training and competition directly qualifying participants for final Olympic tryouts;
or
(c) Official tryouts and competition involving national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing
bodies of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the
equivalent organization of that nation, or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic sport, the
equivalent organization of that sport).

14.2.1.4.1 Athletics Activity Waiver Criteria. Extensions of the five-year period of eligibility for student-
athletes by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or its designated committee, shall be
based on the following criteria: The member institution in which the student-athlete is enrolled must establish
to the satisfaction of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement (by objective evidence) that
the student-athlete was unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of participation in one of
the activities listed in the above legislation for a specific period of time. Further, such an extension shall be
limited to one time and for a period not to exceed one year per student-athlete, per sport. (Revised: 8/11/98)"

 

[Skate79]

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I have no knowledge about the aforementioned scandal but now must google. From what I am told, Pucci has a serious concussion and Gedman had surgery to repair a torn Achilles heal. If Pucci shows up on the Four Nations Camp roster this weekend, that may draw some eyebrows. But, from what I am told they both have serious injuries and need to heal properly.

Concussions are nothing to fool with. I hope she takes the cautious route and skips playing this year. An Achilles injury is also nothing to sneeze at. I hope Gedman will be able to play again. Achilles injuries can end careers depending on the severity. Here's to a complete recovery for both.

 

[Skate79]

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Here are some of those rules as taken from:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf


"14.2.1 Five-Year Rule. A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar
years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum
full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official religious
missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For international students,
service in the armed forces or on an official religious mission of the student’s home country is considered
equivalent to such service in the United States. (Revised: 4/2/10)"

Editors note: There are 5 waiver rules, the fourth one being the following:

"14.2.1.4 Athletics Activities Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or a committee
designated by it, shall have the authority to waive this provision by a two-thirds majority of its members present
and voting to permit student-athletes to participate in:
(a) Official Pan American, World Championships, World Cup, World University Games, World University
Championships and Olympic training, tryouts and competition; (Revised: 1/10/91, 1/9/96, 1/14/12);

(b) Officially recognized training and competition directly qualifying participants for final Olympic tryouts;
or
(c) Official tryouts and competition involving national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing
bodies of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the
equivalent organization of that nation, or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic sport, the
equivalent organization of that sport).

14.2.1.4.1 Athletics Activity Waiver Criteria. Extensions of the five-year period of eligibility for student-
athletes by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or its designated committee, shall be
based on the following criteria: The member institution in which the student-athlete is enrolled must establish
to the satisfaction of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement (by objective evidence) that
the student-athlete was unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of participation in one of
the activities listed in the above legislation for a specific period of time. Further, such an extension shall be
limited to one time and for a period not to exceed one year per student-athlete, per sport. (Revised: 8/11/98)"

Thanks for digging this up. It appears that Pucci will have a way to complete her eligibility. Rugger took two years off, one for training and the second to play in the Olympics and still managed to complete her eligibility playing her final two years for the Crimson. So I have no doubt Pucci will be able to do the same despite her injury and time off this year.

 

[Skate79]

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Season off to a good start. Winning in Hamden is always tough especially since the Bobcats had already played 7 games and this was our season opener. Goaltending will have to carry us if we are to go anywhere this year given the injuries to Pucci and Gedman. Eventually I expect we'll get our offense in gear.

 

[Watson Rink]

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Does this mean it's possible that in 2014-2015 there would be four senior defensemen -- Pucci, Gedman, Edney and Picard -- with a junior, Maschmeyer, between the pipes -- plus the extra talent on defense and in goal that they're targeting among next year's first years? That would be a formidable line-up on and behind the blue line all bunched into a single season!

 

[Skate79]

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Does this mean it's possible that in 2014-2015 there would be four senior defensemen -- Pucci, Gedman, Edney and Picard -- with a junior, Maschmeyer, between the pipes -- plus the extra talent on defense and in goal that they're targeting among next year's first years? That would be a formidable line-up on and behind the blue line all bunched into a single season!

Yes indeed. It would be formidable to have the four seniors with Pucci getting international experience as an Olympian. It would give Harvard an big edge on other teams both inside and outside the ECAC.

 

[Skate79]

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While at the men's game tonight, I checked on the women's game and was stunned to see the final tally. 9-1?? Looks like Hurricane Harvard hit New Jersey ahead of Sandy. Wow. When I posted yesterday that I thought Harvard's offense would eventually get going, I never imagined it would happen within 24 hours. Even our best teams of the past ten years had problems at Hobey Baker rink. It must mean Princeton will be a bottom feeder this year. Great way to start the season. Looks like the first line of Dempsey, Parker (Mary) and Fry is going to be a killer. Looking forward to seeing them play!

 

[Skate79]

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Perhaps the ladies ate too much turkey yesterday because their performance tonight was uneven at best. Colgate is really terrible and doesn't figure to do much in the ECAC this year. Yet Harvard struggled for the better part of a period and a half to get going and create separation. They had chances but couldn't finish and their D play was, well, not great. Pretty average actually. Bellamy faced maybe three or four tough chances all night; her best save came when Harvard was on the PP and a Colgate player broke in with a clean shot (not quite a breakaway because a Harvard defender was cutting off her angle. Still it was a good save.

We hit a couple of posts along with too many shots getting blocked from the point. Passing was sometimes crisp, other times mediocre. Skating picked up in the third period and we really wore down Colgate at that point. Still you can't feel too good about this win.

I don't have a whole lot of confidence going into tomorrow's game with Cornell. They have way too many skill players and they'll make us pay for our mistakes. Bellamy leaves too many rebounds and doesn't handle the puck very well. And what's up with all the mixing and matching of line combinations and D pairings? How can this team develop any consistency with so many shake-ups from shift to shift? This is going to kill them when going up against very good teams. Didn't do much for them tonight against a weak Colgate team.

Best we can hope for is 4th place. More than likely, 5th or 6th place. Too many issues and not enough quality players to compete effectively against top echelon teams.

 

[CanHockGuy]

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Perhaps the ladies ate too much turkey yesterday because their performance tonight was uneven at best. Colgate is really terrible and doesn't figure to do much in the ECAC this year. Yet Harvard struggled for the better part of a period and a half to get going and create separation. They had chances but couldn't finish and their D play was, well, not great. Pretty average actually. Bellamy faced maybe three or four tough chances all night; her best save came when Harvard was on the PP and a Colgate player broke in with a clean shot (not quite a breakaway because a Harvard defender was cutting off her angle. Still it was a good save.

We hit a couple of posts along with too many shots getting blocked from the point. Passing was sometimes crisp, other times mediocre. Skating picked up in the third period and we really wore down Colgate at that point. Still you can't feel too good about this win.

I don't have a whole lot of confidence going into tomorrow's game with Cornell. They have way too many skill players and they'll make us pay for our mistakes. Bellamy leaves too many rebounds and doesn't handle the puck very well. And what's up with all the mixing and matching of line combinations and D pairings? How can this team develop any consistency with so many shake-ups from shift to shift? This is going to kill them when going up against very good teams. Didn't do much for them tonight against a weak Colgate team.

Best we can hope for is 4th place. More than likely, 5th or 6th place. Too many issues and not enough quality players to compete effectively against top echelon teams.

I take it that you're disappointed. Nice to see that you toss names out there too. Good job holding the fort up.

 

[Eeyore]

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And what's up with all the mixing and matching of line combinations and D pairings? How can this team develop any consistency with so many shake-ups from shift to shift?

For what it's worth, Gopher assistant Joel Johnson seems to send out two random defensemen for every even strength shift (there's a lot more consistency on special teams) and it's worked out okay.

 

[Skate79]

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I take it that you're disappointed. Nice to see that you toss names out there too. Good job holding the fort up.

Yes I am disappointed because I expected more from the team even with the loss of Pucci and Gedman. Maybe I expected too much. Colgate just isn't that good a team and we should have blown them out in our own building. Fact is, our talent level isn't what it has been in years past. So perhaps I've given them too much credit.

You want me to name names? Okay, for starters Dempsey is their best player bar none. She is a cut above and continues to play well at both ends of the ice. I think Hayssen and Crowe have improved from last year and will probably continue to improve as the year goes along. But I didn't think much of either Romatoski or Picard last night. Colgate's forwards aren't top notch and if they have this kind of trouble against a weak team, they'll have greater problems against opponents like Cornell. I think Reber is a good player who can create offensively. The second line was hard to gauge because they kept breaking up the lines. Mary Parker is definitely the best of the freshmen. She is good and will probably improve as the year goes on. There are no really great players on this team and I don't think they have the goaltending to take them to the Frozen Four. Unless Mashmeyer turns out to be the second coming of Manon Rheaume (sp?).

 

[OnMAA]

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You want me to name names? Okay, for starters Dempsey is their best player bar none. She is a cut above and continues to play well at both ends of the ice.

100% agree with you there. Saw Harvard earlier this year, and she is the real deal. #9 and #13 are pretty good as well. I think you are overreacting to a one game sample. I've seen all the top teams from the ECAC play live at least once. From those samples, Harvard impressed me as the most. IMHO they are an improved squad over last year. Firmly believe that the top three in the ECAC will Harvard, Cornell and Clarkson. The final order may be somewhat dependent on which team stays healthy and gets the better tending. Don't think any of the other strong challengers in the ECAC, Dartmouth, SLU and Quinnipiac, will crack the top 3. JMO.