Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

[Skate79]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Bad enough that Harvard had 2 defenseman missing all season this past year. Now, hearing that 2 of their incoming Assabet defenseman were injured at Nationals - Natasha Rachlin dislocated her shoulder and Briana Mastel suffered some sort of knee injury. Starting to wonder if it is safe to go to Harvard...... wishing Rachlin and Mastel quick recoveries.

They better recover because we are going to be short again on the blue line next year if they aren't ready to go in October.

 

[Skate79]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Well Crimson fans, you might want to take a stroll over to TSN's web site and take a peak at a video profile of one of your incoming recruits, Karly Heffernan.

Very special player. Glad she is coming to Cambridge.

 

[dave1381]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Just thinking, back in 2001, I'd never imagined that we'd have another men's Ivy NCAA champion before the first women's Ivy NCAA champion. That decade includes five NCAA final losses (all of which were tied at some point in the third period, two of which went multiple overtimes), and both Ivy teams to secure the No. 1 overall seed (2001 Dartmouth, 2008 Harvard) lost in the semifinals.

 

[alslammerz]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Just thinking, back in 2001, I'd never imagined that we'd have another men's Ivy NCAA champion before the first women's Ivy NCAA champion. That decade includes five NCAA final losses (all of which were tied at some point in the third period, two of which went multiple overtimes), and both Ivy teams to secure the No. 1 overall seed (2001 Dartmouth, 2008 Harvard) lost in the semifinals.

It's just baffling and strange that no eastern team at all has won an NCAA championship. Even "home ice advantage" can't really explain it as eastern teams have been generally thwacked on the east coast - though the 2003 championship makes you wonder what would have happened if it hadn't been in Duluth. Not to disrespect Minny, Duluth and Wisconsin that have great programs but you'd still think there'd be an eastern team that would have won once in the past decade. We'll see how it goes next year in Hamden.

 

[D2D]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

It's just baffling and strange that no eastern team at all has won an NCAA championship. Even "home ice advantage" can't really explain it as eastern teams have been generally thwacked on the east coast - though the 2003 championship makes you wonder what would have happened if it hadn't been in Duluth. Not to disrespect Minny, Duluth and Wisconsin that have great programs but you'd still think there'd be an eastern team that would have won once in the past decade. We'll see how it goes next year in Hamden.

What makes it stranger still is that no Western team has ever won the D3 championship.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

What makes it stranger still is that no Western team has ever won the D3 championship.

And while the East has come close on a few occasions to win it, the West has not even come close to winning in D3. A D3 West teams has made the NCAA final only once and that is 9 yeas ago.

 

[North East DAD]

And while the East has come close on a few occasions to win it, the West has not even come close to winning in D3. A D3 West teams has made the NCAA final only once and that is 9 yeas ago.

Just a thought, but I believe its geographic. East Coast girls that don't end up D1 as they had hoped, end up staying close to home and attending great (academic) schools here in the northeast rather than going 1/2 - 3/4 of the way across the country to those schools. Now on the flip side, many "central/west" girl come east to attend those same quality D3 universities.

Just a thought, don't kill me over it!!

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Just a thought, but I believe its geographic. East Coast girls that don't end up D1 as they had hoped, end up staying close to home and attending great (academic) schools here in the northeast rather than going 1/2 - 3/4 of the way across the country to those schools. Now on the flip side, many "central/west" girl come east to attend those same quality D3 universities.

Just a thought, don't kill me over it!!

Of the top of my head, can't think of too many from the West heading east to play D3. I think it is more about Canadian Content. Lots of Eastern D3 schools are close to the hot beds of Canadian Hockey, Southern Ontario and Western Quebec. Most of the Top D3 programs out east tend to carry a large contingent of Canadians. The Canadian content at D3 schools in the mid west is substantially lower. THis is not a knock on the American players, just a reflection that the schools in the east have a larger talent pool to draw from if they choose to do so.

 

[Cali]

Of the top of my head, can't think of too many from the West heading east to play D3. I think it is more about Canadian Content. Lots of Eastern D3 schools are close to the hot beds of Canadian Hockey, Southern Ontario and Western Quebec. Most of the Top D3 programs out east tend to carry a large contingent of Canadians. The Canadian content at D3 schools in the mid west is substantially lower. THis is not a knock on the American players, just a reflection that the schools in the east have a larger talent pool to draw from if they choose to do so.

OnMaa, do you have numbers to substantiate that there is a large contingent of Canadians playing D3 in the East? My perception is that if Canadians don't make D1 , they will stay and play CIS. I know there are many Canadians playing D3 but proportionately I feel that there are more playing D1 than D3.

 

[HockeyEast33]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Of the top of my head, can't think of too many from the West heading east to play D3. I think it is more about Canadian Content. Lots of Eastern D3 schools are close to the hot beds of Canadian Hockey, Southern Ontario and Western Quebec. Most of the Top D3 programs out east tend to carry a large contingent of Canadians. The Canadian content at D3 schools in the mid west is substantially lower. THis is not a knock on the American players, just a reflection that the schools in the east have a larger talent pool to draw from if they choose to do so.

Looking at the D3 list I'm maintaining for this coming season, there are 13 Western girls (including MI and IL) coming East to play D3 hockey (including some to traditional powers Middlebury, Bowdoin, and Elmira). There are 0 Eastern girls heading West. That definitely seems to be a recurring theme. Couple that with the Canadians being more Eastern oriented and I think you have your answer.

 

[ARM]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

I think it is more about Canadian Content. Lots of Eastern D3 schools are close to the hot beds of Canadian Hockey, Southern Ontario and Western Quebec. Most of the Top D3 programs out east tend to carry a large contingent of Canadians. The Canadian content at D3 schools in the mid west is substantially lower. THis is not a knock on the American players, just a reflection that the schools in the east have a larger talent pool to draw from if they choose to do so.

I think that is true to a large extent. I don't think that it is necessarily that Eastern D-III schools have better academic reputations than those in the West. For example, the MIAC schools are very well-regarded academically. But if one looks at the rosters of top teams from the West like Gustavus and UW River Falls, they are predominantly comprised of players from Minnesota. The same is true for much of the MIAC and Wisconsin NCHA programs. Given that the four out of the five WCHA schools get the majority of their players from Minnesota, and UND has many as well, that well is being run nearly dry. Even if the best Eastern D-III schools only add a handful of Canadian players to their clubs, they still can introduce more impact. Both of the ECAC West teams at the Frozen Four had double-digit Canadian players, and Middlebury gets its players from all over. As a feeder program, Minnesota high schools are fairly deep, but they aren't deep enough to produce both national contenders and leagues that sufficiently challenge them to the extent that they can conquer the best teams produced in the East. As soon as I saw the roster for River Falls it made sense to me why the caliber of D-III teams in the West drops off rather quickly. Teams can find enough decent players, just not enough difference makers.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

OnMaa, do you have numbers to substantiate that there is a large contingent of Canadians playing D3 in the East? My perception is that if Canadians don't make D1 , they will stay and play CIS. I know there are many Canadians playing D3 but proportionately I feel that there are more playing D1 than D3.

The comparison discussion were were having is number of canucks on D3 schools in the east vs west.

Look at the top five D3 schools in the East and in the West and count the percentage of Canucks. Without doing any research know that schools like Plattsburgh, Elmira, Manhattanville and Norwich carry a large contingent of Canadians. Pretty sure neither Gustavus nor Wisconsin-RF do.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

I think that is true to a large extent. I don't think that it is necessarily that Eastern D-III schools have better academic reputations than those in the West. For example, the MIAC schools are very well-regarded academically. But if one looks at the rosters of top teams from the West like Gustavus and UW River Falls, they are predominantly comprised of players from Minnesota. The same is true for much of the MIAC and Wisconsin NCHA programs. Given that the four out of the five WCHA schools get the majority of their players from Minnesota, and UND has many as well, that well is being run nearly dry. Even if the best Eastern D-III schools only add a handful of Canadian players to their clubs, they still can introduce more impact. Both of the ECAC West teams at the Frozen Four had double-digit Canadian players, and Middlebury gets its players from all over. As a feeder program, Minnesota high schools are fairly deep, but they aren't deep enough to produce both national contenders and leagues that sufficiently challenge them to the extent that they can conquer the best teams produced in the East. As soon as I saw the roster for River Falls it made sense to me why the caliber of D-III teams in the West drops off rather quickly. Teams can find enough decent players, just not enough difference makers.

Agreed. It is a talent pool size issue. There is 40000 females playing hockey in Ontario. That is a huge pool to draw top talent from. D3 players do not tend to travel as far as D1 players to go to school. Hence the West D3 schools draw a lot from Minnesota and Wisconsin and the East D3 schools draw a lot from Ontario, Quebec, NY, CT and Mass. That east pool is probably twice the size of the one in the west.

 

[Skate79]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Just thinking, back in 2001, I'd never imagined that we'd have another men's Ivy NCAA champion before the first women's Ivy NCAA champion. That decade includes five NCAA final losses (all of which were tied at some point in the third period, two of which went multiple overtimes), and both Ivy teams to secure the No. 1 overall seed (2001 Dartmouth, 2008 Harvard) lost in the semifinals.

Except that during this time period, the West has become very strong while the Ivies have not recruited players that can get them to the finals. Add to that the emergence of Hockey East and it doesn't really surprise me that we haven't had an Ivy NCAA champion. Our best chance came early on in the 2000s. Of course I didn't think I would see an Ivy champion emerge as a men's NCAA champion in the near future. Really blew that call!

 

[Skate79]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Between periods of the Bruins-Penguins game, the B's honored the John Carlton Award winners. The female winner was Natasha Rachlin who is headed to Cambridge in the fall. She was interviewed by Dale Arnold between periods. Nice kid. Good for her.

 

[ARM]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

Except that during this time period, the West has become very strong while the Ivies have not recruited players that can get them to the finals.

There's always been some Ivy with enough talent to contend. First it was Harvard and Dartmouth, more recently, Cornell.

 

[Skate79]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

There's always been some Ivy with enough talent to contend. First it was Harvard and Dartmouth, more recently, Cornell.

Except they are not getting to the finals. Contending is a lot different than winning the the whole enchilada. Ask the Yale men.

 

[Skate79]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

This is for anyone who has purchased a ticket online to a Crimson women's game in the past year. I recently received an invitation to participate in a survey about Harvard women's hockey. Normally I trash these things but curiosity got the better of me and I decided to go for it. The survey's leanings were towards promotions and interest in combining tickets with access to the new concourse that is planned for next year. Seems like they are going to tie food, beverage, access to the concourse and 'premium seating' to some ticket packages. Be forewarned. And yes, they did not ask about parking.

 

[UCONN FAN]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

This is for anyone who has purchased a ticket online to a Crimson women's game in the past year. I recently received an invitation to participate in a survey about Harvard women's hockey. Normally I trash these things but curiosity got the better of me and I decided to go for it. The survey's leanings were towards promotions and interest in combining tickets with access to the new concourse that is planned for next year. Seems like they are going to tie food, beverage, access to the concourse and 'premium seating' to some ticket packages. Be forewarned. And yes, they did not ask about parking.

Yike they are going to offer premium seating? GA seating is $15.00 per game. How much are they going to charge for that?
Yes the parking is terrible but not worse than BU!!!!!!!

 

[alslammerz]

Re: Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

This is for anyone who has purchased a ticket online to a Crimson women's game in the past year. I recently received an invitation to participate in a survey about Harvard women's hockey. Normally I trash these things but curiosity got the better of me and I decided to go for it. The survey's leanings were towards promotions and interest in combining tickets with access to the new concourse that is planned for next year. Seems like they are going to tie food, beverage, access to the concourse and 'premium seating' to some ticket packages. Be forewarned. And yes, they did not ask about parking.

FWIW, I was asked to do the same but for the men's side. And they did ask about parking (ideas about including it with the season ticket were mentioned). I also said I had no interest in the concourse thing.