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Harvard Crimson Women 09-10

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There is a somewhat improbable but possible scenario that has not been considered. Supposing Clarkson were to lose to both Dartmouth and Harvard this weekend. It would leave the Crimson and the Knights with identical records in the ECAC, points and a split of the season series. Then what? Total overall record? Record against the top four teams? That would favor Clarkson I imagine as we have a losing record against Cornell and RPI.

Too bad because we could be looking at traveling to Cornell or Clarkson and then traveling to the other school depending on results. Or a trip to Ithaca followed by a trip home to play the other semi winner if they manage to beat Clarkson. I'm dizzy thinking about this.
 
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10

There is a somewhat improbable but possible scenario that has not been considered. Supposing Clarkson were to lose to both Dartmouth and Harvard this weekend. It would leave the Crimson and the Knights with identical records in the ECAC, points and a split of the season series. Then what? Total overall record? Record against the top four teams? That would favor Clarkson I imagine as we have a losing record against Cornell and RPI.

Record against the top four teams is the third tiebreaker, yes.
 
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I found great info on the women's hockey games from the Olympic on the NBColympics.com site (I found the easiest way to skip all the snow boarding is to go under "Results and Schedules" and find the hockey). They have very detailed box scores, and if you click on the links near the top of the box you can see face off stats and shot charts, showing where shots were taken and if they were a goal, where it hit the net.

They have videos of the games and mark where goals and penalties occurred, so you can click right to them. They show the games, live, so I watched some of the Sweden-Slovakia game live (but with no commentary) because I didn't want to wait and tape it late when it was on TV.

You need to have the Microsoft Silverlight player, which I think you can download and is much better than RealPlyarer. You also might have to have the right cable system, because it asks which system you have when you access a video. I have Comcast and it allowed me to watch free.
 
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Even if Harvard wins tomorrow, they would lose out on the tiebreaker to Clarkson and be seeded third, correct?

Clarkson: 2-1-1 vs. Cornell and Quinnipiac
1-2-1 vs. Cornell and RPI

Harvard: 1-2-1 vs. Cornell and Quinnipiac
0-3-1 vs. Cornell and RPI

Harvard would be in a much better place going into tomorrow had it not allowed those come from behind wins at home to Cornell and on the road to RPI- would have first place and much better tiebreakers. Even getting one of those two games would have been a big difference.
 
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Even if Harvard wins tomorrow, they would lose out on the tiebreaker to Clarkson and be seeded third, correct?

Clarkson: 2-1-1 vs. Cornell and Quinnipiac
1-2-1 vs. Cornell and RPI

Harvard: 1-2-1 vs. Cornell and Quinnipiac
0-3-1 vs. Cornell and RPI

Harvard would be in a much better place going into tomorrow had it not allowed those come from behind wins at home to Cornell and on the road to RPI- would have first place and much better tiebreakers. Even getting one of those two games would have been a big difference.

We didn't lose to Cornell at home - tied them 4-4 after having a 4-2 lead. Sure felt like a loss though. We don't have a very good record against the top teams but I still think we are a better team and we can prove it by winning in the playoffs.

Big win tonight vs SLU. And a strange one too by the looks of the box score. Randi Griffin scores the winner (her third or fourth game winner this year) on a penalty shot with 25 seconds left in the game. Wow! The ref had to have some guts to make that call against the home team unless it was a clear cut take down from behind if Randi was on a breakaway.

If we had beaten RPI last week, we would be talking second place and a chance to host the semifinals. As it is, I think the best we can finish is third. Too bad.
 
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We didn't lose to Cornell at home - tied them 4-4 after having a 4-2 lead. Sure felt like a loss though. We don't have a very good record against the top teams but I still think we are a better team and we can prove it by winning in the playoffs.

Big win tonight vs SLU. And a strange one too by the looks of the box score. Randi Griffin scores the winner (her third or fourth game winner this year) on a penalty shot with 25 seconds left in the game. Wow! The ref had to have some guts to make that call against the home team unless it was a clear cut take down from behind if Randi was on a breakaway.

If we had beaten RPI last week, we would be talking second place and a chance to host the semifinals. As it is, I think the best we can finish is third. Too bad.

Pardon me, right they didn't lose to Cornell at home, but they still allowed the lead to slip away. That alone wouldn't give them the tiebreaker, but it would have put them 1 point out of first and a win tomorrow would have meant second. Now a win tomorrow means third and a loss means a possible drop to 5th.
 
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Randi Griffin scores the winner (her third or fourth game winner this year) on a penalty shot with 25 seconds left in the game. Wow! The ref had to have some guts to make that call against the home team unless it was a clear cut take down from behind if Randi was on a breakaway.
Not according to the box score -- the notation is "STL-2 BENCH (2-DELAY OF GAME) Penalty Shot". When I see "delay of game", I think that would be covering a puck in the crease. However, that is not consistent with the call being on the bench. It is strange, and I hope somebody that was there can provide an explanation. Unfortunately, there isn't a very consistent SLU fan presence on the forum.
 
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The box score posted on the Harvard athletics site cryptically indicates (just under the names of the officials pretty far down on the page) that the penalty shot was called after SLU knocked the goal off its moorings on a play in which their goalie was injured and SLU then called a time out (letting Griffin sweat just as Carm Cozza made Mike Lynch sweat out a time out when Lynch kicked the deciding field goal to give the fb team an Ivy title back in '74.) SLU apparently elected to use their same goalie and Griffin canned it.

Thus far the box score. To call a penalty shot, one assumes that Harvard was about to score and the net was knocked off on purpose, but the game recap doesn't go into that, nor does the game recap describe how Griffin elected to shoot -- forehand, backhand, out far, in close, five hole or one of the corners -- it's one of the kid's most exciting plays in her career and we'd like to know about it!

Radio folks, can you add some detail?
 
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SLU elected to use their same goalie and Griffin canned it.
I wish Saints news was easier to find. Looking at couple of their recent box scores, their decisions on when they make goalie changes are not immediately obvious (unless people are getting hurt.) One looks to be a case of a little used goalie getting some time in the crease, but some of the replacements of the two main goalies are a little out of the ordinary.
 
What happened

What happened

Here's what happened, courtesy of a very well written press release from the SLU athletics department.

Note the gracious comment by the SLU coach:

"With the game knotted at 1-1 in the final seconds of regulation, the puck was dumped into the corner to Weisz's right. A St. Lawrence skater ran into the netminder, knocking her into the goal and out of the play. The officials allowed the play to continue and Harvard appeared ready to capitalize with the net wide open. However, with the shot on the way, a member of the Saints knocked the goal off intentionally, giving the Crimson a penalty shot with 24.3 showing on the game clock.

"Though Weisz remained on the ice for some time and was attended to by the training staff, she was able to remain in the game. On the ensuing penalty shot, though, Harvard's Randi Griffin snapped a wrist shot into the net to break the tie and propel the Crimson on to the 2-1 victory.

"The referee made the correct call in that situation," said St. Lawrence head coach Chris Wells. "It was unfortunate, but it was truly a great game tonight against a really fun team to play. I also want to congratulate Katey (Stone) on becoming the winningest coach in Division I women's hockey history."

"The Crimson controlled much of the play in the first period and held a 7-0 advantage in shots on goal through the opening 10 minutes. Weisz held her ground, though, and kept the visitors off of the scoreboard. Though she didn't see as much action as her counterpart, Harvard goalie Laura Bellamy also played a perfect first period, making five saves.

"Harvard seemed poised to take the lead on the power play early in the second period, as the puck found Liza Ryabkina's stick in the slot for a one-on-one try with Weisz. However, the Severna Park, MD native continued to shine and robbed the Harvard standout of a goal to keep the game scoreless.

"The Saints' offense also began to kick in during the second period, as they began to generate more quality chances in the Harvard end. Their efforts eventually paid off at 18:58 of the frame when sophomore Vanessa Emond used a quick wrap-around shot to catch Bellamy out of position to score her 15th goal of the season and give the Scarlet and Brown a 1-0 advantage. Classmate Alley Bero picked up her 11th assist of the year.

"St. Lawrence continued to apply pressure throughout the third period, but Bellamy made key saves including a crucial stop on senior Tara Akstull from the top of the crease to keep Harvard within striking distance. The Crimson would eventually tie the game at 1-1 when Kate Buesser centered a pass to Jillian Dempsey in the slot, and Dempsey was able to lift a shot under the cross bar at 12:37 of the third period. The goal was Dempsey's 10th of the season.

"Harvard finished with a 32-20 advantage in shots on goal, though neither team was able to score on the power play (SLU, 0-for-2; Harvard 0-for-1). Bellamy finished with 19 saves including nine in the third, while Weisz closed with eight in the final period.

"We've played six consecutive solid periods of hockey," added Coach Wells, whose team will square off with Dartmouth in the 2009-10 regular season finale tomorrow at Appleton Arena. "If we continue to play like we did tonight, I like where we're headed."
 
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When I originally posted about Randi's penalty shot goal, I was on my iPhone and the Box didn't say anything about a bench penalty. It may have appeared later on after my post. And I didn't see the recap... disappointing that there wasn't more detail.

Where's TimU? He's a Saints fan I believe. Not sure if he was in Canton last night but it would be great to get some details about it.

Big game today against Clarkson. Win and we have home ice. Lose and we might finish fifth. Tie and I think we at least get fourth place and home ice. Math was never my strong suit. :)
 
Re: What happened

Re: What happened

Here's what happened, courtesy of a very well written press release from the SLU athletics department.

Note the gracious comment by the SLU coach:

"With the game knotted at 1-1 in the final seconds of regulation, the puck was dumped into the corner to Weisz's right. A St. Lawrence skater ran into the netminder, knocking her into the goal and out of the play. The officials allowed the play to continue and Harvard appeared ready to capitalize with the net wide open. However, with the shot on the way, a member of the Saints knocked the goal off intentionally, giving the Crimson a penalty shot with 24.3 showing on the game clock.

"Though Weisz remained on the ice for some time and was attended to by the training staff, she was able to remain in the game. On the ensuing penalty shot, though, Harvard's Randi Griffin snapped a wrist shot into the net to break the tie and propel the Crimson on to the 2-1 victory.

"The referee made the correct call in that situation," said St. Lawrence head coach Chris Wells. "It was unfortunate, but it was truly a great game tonight against a really fun team to play. I also want to congratulate Katey (Stone) on becoming the winningest coach in Division I women's hockey history."

"The Crimson controlled much of the play in the first period and held a 7-0 advantage in shots on goal through the opening 10 minutes. Weisz held her ground, though, and kept the visitors off of the scoreboard. Though she didn't see as much action as her counterpart, Harvard goalie Laura Bellamy also played a perfect first period, making five saves.

"Harvard seemed poised to take the lead on the power play early in the second period, as the puck found Liza Ryabkina's stick in the slot for a one-on-one try with Weisz. However, the Severna Park, MD native continued to shine and robbed the Harvard standout of a goal to keep the game scoreless.

"The Saints' offense also began to kick in during the second period, as they began to generate more quality chances in the Harvard end. Their efforts eventually paid off at 18:58 of the frame when sophomore Vanessa Emond used a quick wrap-around shot to catch Bellamy out of position to score her 15th goal of the season and give the Scarlet and Brown a 1-0 advantage. Classmate Alley Bero picked up her 11th assist of the year.

"St. Lawrence continued to apply pressure throughout the third period, but Bellamy made key saves including a crucial stop on senior Tara Akstull from the top of the crease to keep Harvard within striking distance. The Crimson would eventually tie the game at 1-1 when Kate Buesser centered a pass to Jillian Dempsey in the slot, and Dempsey was able to lift a shot under the cross bar at 12:37 of the third period. The goal was Dempsey's 10th of the season.

"Harvard finished with a 32-20 advantage in shots on goal, though neither team was able to score on the power play (SLU, 0-for-2; Harvard 0-for-1). Bellamy finished with 19 saves including nine in the third, while Weisz closed with eight in the final period.

"We've played six consecutive solid periods of hockey," added Coach Wells, whose team will square off with Dartmouth in the 2009-10 regular season finale tomorrow at Appleton Arena. "If we continue to play like we did tonight, I like where we're headed."

Thanks Watson!
 
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Another in a long line of silly questions. When was the last time a regular season game was decided in regulation by a penalty shot? Let's face it, when Randi scored albeit with time remaining, the game was over. Sure SLU could have scored with their goalie pulled but the it had to be devastating to give up the goal so close to the end of the game.
 
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Griffin's really on fire, eh? Follows up the GW penalty shot yesterday with a pure hat trick during eleven minutes of the second period today!

Are all goals for the rest of the season going to be scored by Randi Griffin?

Interesting line changes today...switching defensive whiz K. Chute with offensive-minded K. Spurling to form a checking line to throw against the Knights' big production line; concentrating the three best scorers (Buesser, Dempsey and Ryabkina) on another line, and then getting three goals from the Griffin-McDonald-Spurling line.

Keep your fingers crossed for the third period!
 
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Griffin's really on fire, eh? Follows up the GW penalty shot yesterday with a pure hat trick during eleven minutes of the second period today!

Are all goals for the rest of the season going to be scored by Randi Griffin?

Interesting line changes today...switching defensive whiz K. Chute with offensive-minded K. Spurling to form a checking line to throw against the Knights' big production line; concentrating the three best scorers (Buesser, Dempsey and Ryabkina) on another line, and then getting three goals from the Griffin-McDonald-Spurling line.

Keep your fingers crossed for the third period!

I like those line combos. Chute-Wheeler-Conway can skate and they are all relentless forecheckers. Okay, so they aren't great scorers but they can cause some havoc in the offensive end. I hope Katey stays with these combinations for the playoffs.

Good weekend for the ladies winding up with a tie at Clarkson today. We secure home ice which is always a bonus although playing Princeton will be no easy task(glad we avoid RPI for now). Randi Griffin is on fire as you mentioned and that can only make life more difficult for the opposition. Let's hope they continue to ignore her and she lights the lamp a few more times. She has really come on to be a terrific player from where she began as a freshman. Great to see her development and she is peaking at just the right time.

And congrats to Coach Stone for becoming the winningest coach in D-1 women's hockey. Well-deserved.
 
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Apropos of the line combinations, I want to again ask a couple of previous questions for those in the know: (1) in women's college hockey today, to what extent can coaches dictate or influence line match ups (home or away), which is partly a question whether it's feasible for the team that's required to put out its line first to change on the fly at the first opportunity, and (2) against which teams does Katey Stone care about matching the other team's lines and in which cases does she prefer to just roll her lines? The former case seems to comport with the more specialized lines she used against Clarkson, the latter case with the more balanced lines she had been using before.
 
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10

Apropos of the line combinations, I want to again ask a couple of previous questions for those in the know: (1) in women's college hockey today, to what extent can coaches dictate or influence line match ups (home or away), which is partly a question whether it's feasible for the team that's required to put out its line first to change on the fly at the first opportunity, and (2) against which teams does Katey Stone care about matching the other team's lines and in which cases does she prefer to just roll her lines? The former case seems to comport with the more specialized lines she used against Clarkson, the latter case with the more balanced lines she had been using before.

I can't say that I'm 'in the know' per se but having watched the team for the past ten years under Coach Stone, she'll play the lines that are going to give her the best chance to win. She usually likes to match her #1 against the other team's #1 line. She's not afraid to shorten her bench to get her best players out there regardless of who the opposition puts out there.

I don't think Coach Stone thinks about specific teams but that may change for the playoffs. Certainly the moves she made for Clarkson say something about her respect for the Knights' scoring ability. Against Princeton, not sure what she will have in store for the Tigers but given Harvard's lack of depth this year, she will probably stick with what got her team to this point in the season.
 
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