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Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
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Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
It was 94 men's gold medal that was decided by shootout.
In 98 I think Czech Rep. beat Canada on a shootout in the semis.
Of course in the women's Sweden beat the US on shootout in 2006.
When I mentioned the NHL, of course I was referring to the playoffs, not the regular season. Yes, the Beanpot is a regular season tournament, but it's still a tournament.
You do have some weird effects in the NCAA criterion in that the Beanpot games have among the few regular season games that cannot end in ties. Imagine if a team lost out on NCAA bid because they lost a game 10-minute overtime game instead of drawing? Actually, that almost happened to Northeastern in 2002, but I think they would have been out even if they'd been awarded a tie against Harvard that year.
It was 94 men's gold medal that was decided by shootout.
In 98 I think Czech Rep. beat Canada on a shootout in the semis.
Of course in the women's Sweden beat the US on shootout in 2006.
When I mentioned the NHL, of course I was referring to the playoffs, not the regular season. Yes, the Beanpot is a regular season tournament, but it's still a tournament.
You do have some weird effects in the NCAA criterion in that the Beanpot games have among the few regular season games that cannot end in ties. Imagine if a team lost out on NCAA bid because they lost a game 10-minute overtime game instead of drawing? Actually, that almost happened to Northeastern in 2002, but I think they would have been out even if they'd been awarded a tie against Harvard that year.
Crimson Hockey Fan
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Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
this shootout rule particularly galls me if it's true that it only applies to the Women's Beanpot. How can we find out? I went on the Beanpot site, but there's nothing there that lists rules, or the organizing committee members, etc.
this shootout rule particularly galls me if it's true that it only applies to the Women's Beanpot. How can we find out? I went on the Beanpot site, but there's nothing there that lists rules, or the organizing committee members, etc.
Watson Rink
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Overtime -- thinking outside the box
Overtime -- thinking outside the box
Apropos of the NHL's 4-on-4 OT format, has anyone ever tried a shootout using a 5-on-4 or 4-on-3 power play format instead of a penalty shot format?
Goals are more likely to result in 5-on-4 play than in 4-on-4.
A PP format would draw on a broader range of hockey skills than a shootout because it would involve a minimum of six players from each team engaged in team play rather than (as at present) three shooters versus a goalie.
Keeping the format close to the current shootout format, each side could get, say, one minute to score on the PP. If both or neither scored, you would move on to a second round. Or if both scored, maybe the one who scored within the fewest seconds should win.
If you wanted to involve even more players, you could give each team three minutes of PP time, so that they would need to change up lines. You could treat the three minutes like a major penalty, with the opportunity to score multiple goals, the tiebreaker (if both teams scored the same number of goals) being shorter time elapsed to score the tying goal.
Worth some thought?
And please don't anyone bring up the fiasco in the H-Y football game a few years ago when they used the both-teams-get-a-chance-to-try-to-punch-it-in-from-the-30-yard-line OT format. That was Ivy League FOOTBALL, and it was perhaps unsurprising that the first five possessions ended in two interceptions, two fumbles and a blocked field goal. Ivy League women's hockey is not Ivy League football. And also there was the problem that they couldn't decide which end of the Bowl to use because the game wasn't scheduled with the possibility of OT in mind and it had grown too dark to see clearly at either end of the Bowl by the third pair of OT possessions. Ivy League hockey rinks are artificially lit throughout the game!
Overtime -- thinking outside the box
Apropos of the NHL's 4-on-4 OT format, has anyone ever tried a shootout using a 5-on-4 or 4-on-3 power play format instead of a penalty shot format?
Goals are more likely to result in 5-on-4 play than in 4-on-4.
A PP format would draw on a broader range of hockey skills than a shootout because it would involve a minimum of six players from each team engaged in team play rather than (as at present) three shooters versus a goalie.
Keeping the format close to the current shootout format, each side could get, say, one minute to score on the PP. If both or neither scored, you would move on to a second round. Or if both scored, maybe the one who scored within the fewest seconds should win.
If you wanted to involve even more players, you could give each team three minutes of PP time, so that they would need to change up lines. You could treat the three minutes like a major penalty, with the opportunity to score multiple goals, the tiebreaker (if both teams scored the same number of goals) being shorter time elapsed to score the tying goal.
Worth some thought?
And please don't anyone bring up the fiasco in the H-Y football game a few years ago when they used the both-teams-get-a-chance-to-try-to-punch-it-in-from-the-30-yard-line OT format. That was Ivy League FOOTBALL, and it was perhaps unsurprising that the first five possessions ended in two interceptions, two fumbles and a blocked field goal. Ivy League women's hockey is not Ivy League football. And also there was the problem that they couldn't decide which end of the Bowl to use because the game wasn't scheduled with the possibility of OT in mind and it had grown too dark to see clearly at either end of the Bowl by the third pair of OT possessions. Ivy League hockey rinks are artificially lit throughout the game!
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Re: Overtime -- thinking outside the box
Re: Overtime -- thinking outside the box
Re: Overtime -- thinking outside the box
I'd rather see 4-on-4 than 5-on-4, because in the 4-on-4 both teams have equal opportunity to score so it is more like a real game. If penalties are called thereafter, so be it. One of the problems that happens in any "short" OT format is that the ice is not resurfaced, so it gets increasingly harder to beat the goalie. How many times doesn't it happen that one sits through the resurfacing, then the players come out with fresh legs and ice, and somebody scores on the first shift.
Re: Overtime -- thinking outside the box
Re: Overtime -- thinking outside the box
I'm really surprised that the ECAC did not adopt the shootout given that other conferences are using it and this situation is going to come up every year during the Beanpot.
Why not go to three on three and really free up the ice surface? If the ECAC doesn't want to shootouts but create the 'look and feel' of players vs. goalies, three on three would do it.
Re: Overtime -- thinking outside the box
I'm really surprised that the ECAC did not adopt the shootout given that other conferences are using it and this situation is going to come up every year during the Beanpot.
Why not go to three on three and really free up the ice surface? If the ECAC doesn't want to shootouts but create the 'look and feel' of players vs. goalies, three on three would do it.
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
Sorry about the delay, but the BC/Harvard gallery is now online - http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20092010/w/02/02/bc-hu.php
Sorry about the delay, but the BC/Harvard gallery is now online - http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20092010/w/02/02/bc-hu.php
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
Watching tonight's game was a bit like going in for a root canal. Painful, aggravating and all you want to do is get it over with and go home. With two points of course.
The Crimson didn't bring their 'A' game for sure but they did just enough to get the 'W'. Four games in seven days doesn't make it any easier. Brown did just enough to make this a seat squirmer until Kaitlin Spurling netted a beautiful goal on a great individual effort with a minute to go in the second period. She is going to be a very good player for the Crimson in the years to come. Great balance and very good hands.
The third goal was one of those fluky jobs... Kate Buesser took a shot from the slot that was partially deflected by the Brown D, popped up in the air and rolled down the back of the Brown goalie. She had no clue as to its whereabouts. Good break for the Crimson. We sealed it with Randi Griffin's power play tally with under two minutes to go.
Brown played hard and got away with a lot of holding and physical play that should have been called had the refs not put their whistles in their pockets. They even tried to get Brown back in the game calling back to back penalties on Harvard late in the game. Didn't work as Bellamy shut the door.
As tomorrow is Senior Day, I wanted to take this opportunity to congratulate our seniors for some great memories and excellent play. Thanks to Christina Kessler, Anna MacDonald, and Randi Griffin for giving it your all and making us proud. Best of luck in the future.
And a special thanks to our captains Kathryn Farni and Cori Bassett. I don't think any of us thought for a moment that the team would be ranked in the Top Ten given the youth and inexperience along with the loss of all that offensive firepower. Not to mention coming off that heartbreaking defeat to RPI last spring (sorry girls!). Both Kathryn and Cori have really brought this team together despite the early season injuries and loss of players from the program. Their leadership will be missed and we should wish them the very best going forward.
Okay, enough gushing. Time to go out and hammer Yale!
Watching tonight's game was a bit like going in for a root canal. Painful, aggravating and all you want to do is get it over with and go home. With two points of course.
The Crimson didn't bring their 'A' game for sure but they did just enough to get the 'W'. Four games in seven days doesn't make it any easier. Brown did just enough to make this a seat squirmer until Kaitlin Spurling netted a beautiful goal on a great individual effort with a minute to go in the second period. She is going to be a very good player for the Crimson in the years to come. Great balance and very good hands.
The third goal was one of those fluky jobs... Kate Buesser took a shot from the slot that was partially deflected by the Brown D, popped up in the air and rolled down the back of the Brown goalie. She had no clue as to its whereabouts. Good break for the Crimson. We sealed it with Randi Griffin's power play tally with under two minutes to go.
Brown played hard and got away with a lot of holding and physical play that should have been called had the refs not put their whistles in their pockets. They even tried to get Brown back in the game calling back to back penalties on Harvard late in the game. Didn't work as Bellamy shut the door.
As tomorrow is Senior Day, I wanted to take this opportunity to congratulate our seniors for some great memories and excellent play. Thanks to Christina Kessler, Anna MacDonald, and Randi Griffin for giving it your all and making us proud. Best of luck in the future.
And a special thanks to our captains Kathryn Farni and Cori Bassett. I don't think any of us thought for a moment that the team would be ranked in the Top Ten given the youth and inexperience along with the loss of all that offensive firepower. Not to mention coming off that heartbreaking defeat to RPI last spring (sorry girls!). Both Kathryn and Cori have really brought this team together despite the early season injuries and loss of players from the program. Their leadership will be missed and we should wish them the very best going forward.
Okay, enough gushing. Time to go out and hammer Yale!
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
Hey gang. I was just over at the RPI thread and came upon an interesting tidbit. Get this; the semifinals of the ECAC tournament will be played at campus sites. The final will be played at the highest remaining seed.
This gives Harvard something to play for now because if we could manage to finish second, we would host a semi and be in a better position to advance to the final.
The way it works is that the semis will be held at the two highest remaining seeds on Friday night March 5th. The final will be held on Sunday March 7th at the highest remaining seed. Imagine if Harvard finished third, went to Ithaca and beat Cornell and then had to travel to Potsdam to play the Knights for the championship. Hmm, I'm not crazy about that. Conversely, they could travel to Ithaca, beat Cornell and then if Clarkson lost their semi, return to Bright to host the championship. Either way, I would imagine that teams would have to scramble to adjust travel plans not to mention ticket and promotional plans.
Hey gang. I was just over at the RPI thread and came upon an interesting tidbit. Get this; the semifinals of the ECAC tournament will be played at campus sites. The final will be played at the highest remaining seed.
This gives Harvard something to play for now because if we could manage to finish second, we would host a semi and be in a better position to advance to the final.
The way it works is that the semis will be held at the two highest remaining seeds on Friday night March 5th. The final will be held on Sunday March 7th at the highest remaining seed. Imagine if Harvard finished third, went to Ithaca and beat Cornell and then had to travel to Potsdam to play the Knights for the championship. Hmm, I'm not crazy about that. Conversely, they could travel to Ithaca, beat Cornell and then if Clarkson lost their semi, return to Bright to host the championship. Either way, I would imagine that teams would have to scramble to adjust travel plans not to mention ticket and promotional plans.
Watson Rink
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Let's not forget Jen Brawn
Let's not forget Jen Brawn
It looks from the picture on the H website that Jen Brawn will be honored as well -- in other words that she will graduate with her class and not come back for a final year of eligibility as some H fb players have elected to do after sustaining year-long injuries.
Although Ms Brawn was absent this year, we all remember the contribution she made last year by switching from F to a puck-moving D and solidifying a position that otherwise could have been a danger spot. Playing the backline for the first time against the best in women's collegiate hockey can't have been fun, but it sure bailed the team out.
Let's not forget Jen Brawn
It looks from the picture on the H website that Jen Brawn will be honored as well -- in other words that she will graduate with her class and not come back for a final year of eligibility as some H fb players have elected to do after sustaining year-long injuries.
Although Ms Brawn was absent this year, we all remember the contribution she made last year by switching from F to a puck-moving D and solidifying a position that otherwise could have been a danger spot. Playing the backline for the first time against the best in women's collegiate hockey can't have been fun, but it sure bailed the team out.
Re: Let's not forget Jen Brawn
Re: Let's not forget Jen Brawn
Great point and I'm very sorry to have ommitted Jen's accomplishments. She took one for the team and really helped out by moving to the backline. It's a shame that she and Christina Kessler were hit with season ending injuries this year.
Re: Let's not forget Jen Brawn
Great point and I'm very sorry to have ommitted Jen's accomplishments. She took one for the team and really helped out by moving to the backline. It's a shame that she and Christina Kessler were hit with season ending injuries this year.
Watson Rink
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More Shootout Idiocy
More Shootout Idiocy
After all we've said about shootouts, there's one more wrinkle -- apparently, NOBODY CAN REMEMBER WHO WINS!
How many shootout wins does Northeastern have? If you look at the HE standings, the points table says they have THREE. Flip it to the percentage table by clicking on the link and it says they have ONE. The most recent press release on NU's website says they have TWO.
Memorable, eh?
As Vince Lombardi said of the old NFL's Runner Up Bowl, "it's a rinkydink game, played in a rinkydink town...."
C'mon, HE officials. The players bust their butts playing all season, shootouts determine who wins the trophies, and nobody can keep track of who won the shootouts?
More Shootout Idiocy
After all we've said about shootouts, there's one more wrinkle -- apparently, NOBODY CAN REMEMBER WHO WINS!
How many shootout wins does Northeastern have? If you look at the HE standings, the points table says they have THREE. Flip it to the percentage table by clicking on the link and it says they have ONE. The most recent press release on NU's website says they have TWO.
Memorable, eh?
As Vince Lombardi said of the old NFL's Runner Up Bowl, "it's a rinkydink game, played in a rinkydink town...."
C'mon, HE officials. The players bust their butts playing all season, shootouts determine who wins the trophies, and nobody can keep track of who won the shootouts?
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
That has to be an USCHO error with the % view page, not a Hockey East error. Everything's correct on collegehockeystats and the Hockey East web site.
Northeastern's most recent press release has it right, so I'm not sure what you were referring to there.
That has to be an USCHO error with the % view page, not a Hockey East error. Everything's correct on collegehockeystats and the Hockey East web site.
Northeastern's most recent press release has it right, so I'm not sure what you were referring to there.
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
Harvard has a much better chance of securing home ice for the NCAAs than home ice for the ECAC semifinals at this point, oddly enough. Harvard has plenty to play for in the national standings. But they at least have a lot to play for in terms of maintaining their current national position, which would get them an at-large berth.
Chances of that seem pretty slim. Have you looked at the schedules? Cornell plays @Brown/Yale hosts Union/RPI. Harvard plays at Union/RPI/SLU/Clarkson. Harvard has to pick up three points or more on Cornell (Cornell has the tiebreaker). That's going to be pretty tough. Frankly I think Cornell has a better chance of passing Clarkson than Harvard does of passing Cornell. (given that Clarkson is losing to teams like SLU & RPI has four similarly tough games upcoming, including a Dartmouth team playing to even make the postseason)
Harvard has a much better chance of securing home ice for the NCAAs than home ice for the ECAC semifinals at this point, oddly enough. Harvard has plenty to play for in the national standings. But they at least have a lot to play for in terms of maintaining their current national position, which would get them an at-large berth.
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Watson Rink
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Hockey East standings
Hockey East standings
Thanks for the clarification. So it was just two separate USCHO errors, and the official HE standings are the same as NU's press release?
Are the official HE standings based on points rather than winning %?
Note also that the USCHO standings don't report ties and SO wins in columnar form the same way as, say, people like the NHL do, but hey, what does the NHL know about hockey?
Hockey East standings
Thanks for the clarification. So it was just two separate USCHO errors, and the official HE standings are the same as NU's press release?
Are the official HE standings based on points rather than winning %?
Note also that the USCHO standings don't report ties and SO wins in columnar form the same way as, say, people like the NHL do, but hey, what does the NHL know about hockey?
Watson Rink
Registered User
Yale Game
Yale Game
Katey did the right thing tonight.
"nuff said.
Yale Game
Katey did the right thing tonight.
"nuff said.
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
I know its slim Dave but look at last year. Did you give Harvard any chance of finishing first with Dartmouth and SLU ahead of them? They had to make up a lot of ground. I know that Cornell has an easy schedule ahead of them and that Harvard has RPI and Clarkson on the road. But I believe anything is possible and so I'm still holding out hope.
I know its slim Dave but look at last year. Did you give Harvard any chance of finishing first with Dartmouth and SLU ahead of them? They had to make up a lot of ground. I know that Cornell has an easy schedule ahead of them and that Harvard has RPI and Clarkson on the road. But I believe anything is possible and so I'm still holding out hope.
Re: Yale Game
Re: Yale Game
Even though it almost cost them two points? Look, I think it was a great gesture to play Kylie but given Harvard's problems in finishing, a three goal lead just isn't safe with this team. Remember the Cornell game? I would have started Kylie against Union so that she doesn't come in cold towards the end of a game.
We were cruising, Yale wasn't mounting much of an offense and I'm sure that Katey felt the two points were secure. But nothing is secure in this conference.
Re: Yale Game
Even though it almost cost them two points? Look, I think it was a great gesture to play Kylie but given Harvard's problems in finishing, a three goal lead just isn't safe with this team. Remember the Cornell game? I would have started Kylie against Union so that she doesn't come in cold towards the end of a game.
We were cruising, Yale wasn't mounting much of an offense and I'm sure that Katey felt the two points were secure. But nothing is secure in this conference.
Re: Harvard Crimson Women 09-10
Harvard was 2 points back of Dartmouth, going into this weekend last year. Harvard ended picking up 6 points on Dartmouth. It wasn't close there.
So assume Harvard can win out on the road against SLU/Clarkson/RPI/Union (after going 2-2 against them at home). They'd still need 1 Cornell loss, and tie. I guess I could see a loss to RPI and a tie to Yale. Much less chance of Brown/Union helping out, but this is pretty much the season for them so maybe these teams will be a bit tougher. So I think Harvard's chances at 2nd look a lot bleaker now than there chances of 1st last year at this point, but we'll see. Of course you have every right to hold out hope and be optimistic.
Yes, I did actually, at this point last season. There are two huge differences. At this point a year ago, SLU was 14-3-1. Harvard was 12-4-2, 3 points back. Harvard still had a head-to-head match left against SLU, which right away was huge in terms of making up ground. Provided Harvard took care of business against Colgate (who was hot), Cornell (who was doing okay), and Clarkson (who packed it in), Harvard just needed SLU to lose to either Princeton or Dartmouth, provided they took care of business themselves. Turned SLU lost to Princeton. This was a Princeton team that had beaten Harvard and UMD and was almost perfect since winter break.
Harvard was 2 points back of Dartmouth, going into this weekend last year. Harvard ended picking up 6 points on Dartmouth. It wasn't close there.
So assume Harvard can win out on the road against SLU/Clarkson/RPI/Union (after going 2-2 against them at home). They'd still need 1 Cornell loss, and tie. I guess I could see a loss to RPI and a tie to Yale. Much less chance of Brown/Union helping out, but this is pretty much the season for them so maybe these teams will be a bit tougher. So I think Harvard's chances at 2nd look a lot bleaker now than there chances of 1st last year at this point, but we'll see. Of course you have every right to hold out hope and be optimistic.