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Harvard Crimson - 2015-2016

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Yeah, this was worse than Harvard were in that 10-2 game last year. At least in that game they were skating hard and kept it level through the first. There was no spring in their step at all tonight. The only good news for Harvard fans is that all this game tells us is that sometimes they don't show up, it doesn't tell us anything about how could they could be if they tried.
 
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I was on my way from the South Shore to Bright but the driving was really nasty. Slush freezing into ice and I had to divert around downed trees blocking parts of the road. I have made most Harvard women's games since 1987 but tonight I decided that it would be nuts to try to get there.

Best of luck to the Harvard women vs Brown (if Brown gets there safely)
 
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I was on my way from the South Shore to Bright but the driving was really nasty. Slush freezing into ice and I had to divert around downed trees blocking parts of the road. I have made most Harvard women's games since 1987 but tonight I decided that it would be nuts to try to get there.

Best of luck to the Harvard women vs Brown (if Brown gets there safely)

You should have wished Brown didn't make it. Brown 3 - Harvard 3. It isn't getting better.
 
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You should have wished Brown didn't make it. Brown 3 - Harvard 3. It isn't getting better.

As WHRB was broadcasting the men's game I listen to the mens game while watching the "live stats" page. The men should have won by more of a margin but at least they won.
 
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You should have wished Brown didn't make it. Brown 3 - Harvard 3. It isn't getting better.

It's getting worse. This is rock bottom. To get more than 50 shots and only three goals against a bottom feeder at home is simply unacceptable. No other way to say it. Nothing against the Brown goalie but we should have had at least five or six goals. Right now we are one of the worst teams in the league.

I went back to look at previous seasons and I had to go back to the '97-98 team to find similar losing streaks. That team lost five in a row twice that season and wound up 14-16. What's really troubling and puzzling is that no Harvard team coached by Katey Stone, not even the 01-02 squad or the '05-'06 team, was as goal challenged as this year's team. Whether its team chemistry, overrated players or selfishness, whatever the reason, this team is headed for a road playoff series and will be one and done.
 
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It's getting worse. This is rock bottom. To get more than 50 shots and only three goals against a bottom feeder at home is simply unacceptable. No other way to say it. Nothing against the Brown goalie but we should have had at least five or six goals. Right now we are one of the worst teams in the league.

I went back to look at previous seasons and I had to go back to the '97-98 team to find similar losing streaks. That team lost five in a row twice that season and wound up 14-16. What's really troubling and puzzling is that no Harvard team coached by Katey Stone, not even the 01-02 squad or the '05-'06 team, was as goal challenged as this year's team. Whether its team chemistry, overrated players or selfishness, whatever the reason, this team is headed for a road playoff series and will be one and done.

In this particular game, I'd be more concerned with the GA then the goal output. As we know, all players on the ice are responsible for defense - forwards, defensemen, goalie.
 
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In this particular game, I'd be more concerned with the GA then the goal output. As we know, all players on the ice are responsible for defense - forwards, defensemen, goalie.

I don't disagree but the D for the most part has been pretty good with a few exceptions. Laing has hardly played this year so I can't really fault her for last night. When you get shut out five times and only score one goal in three other games, that puts a lot of pressure on the goalies and the D and since January 1st, the results are mediocre at best. I've never seen a Katey Stone coached team have so much trouble scoring goals. If they are unable to fix this, it will be their undoing more so than any failures by the defense or goaltender.
 
I don't disagree but the D for the most part has been pretty good with a few exceptions. Laing has hardly played this year so I can't really fault her for last night. When you get shut out five times and only score one goal in three other games, that puts a lot of pressure on the goalies and the D and since January 1st, the results are mediocre at best. I've never seen a Katey Stone coached team have so much trouble scoring goals. If we are unable to fix this, it will be our undoing more so than any failures by the defense or goaltender.

Fixed.
 
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I don't disagree but the D for the most part has been pretty good with a few exceptions. Laing has hardly played this year so I can't really fault her for last night. When you get shut out five times and only score one goal in three other games, that puts a lot of pressure on the goalies and the D and since January 1st, the results are mediocre at best. I've never seen a Katey Stone coached team have so much trouble scoring goals. If they are unable to fix this, it will be their undoing more so than any failures by the defense or goaltender.

I don't actually think that the D on this team are particularly strong defensively in the first place but the goalies have been saving their arse. Now that the goaltending has become suspect recently the D failures are more exposed/visible. The Brown game should be really concerning since there is no way they should be giving up 3 goals to Brown regardless of who is in net. Setting aside the Sacred Heart game, that is only the second game this season that Brown has scored 3 or more goals in a game. Yikes!

Offensively, I think they really miss Mary Parker. She hasn't played this year and that roughly coincides with the start of their scoring difficulties. She doens't get a lot of press (and didn't in prep school/Assabet either) but she is almost always the vital (or one of the vital) cogs of every team she plays on and has the ability to raise the play of everyone around her. Also, I'm sure that the Laing sisters have been distracted by Denna's injury (who wouldn't be) and Lexie was injured earlier in the year and hasn't been at the same level as last season as a result. But more importantly, this team doesn't have a lot of natural scorers - Daniels and Miye would be about the only two I think.
 
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I don't actually think that the D on this team are particularly strong defensively in the first place but the goalies have been saving their arse. Now that the goaltending has become suspect recently the D failures are more exposed/visible. The Brown game should be really concerning since there is no way they should be giving up 3 goals to Brown regardless of who is in net. Setting aside the Sacred Heart game, that is only the second game this season that Brown has scored 3 or more goals in a game. Yikes!

Offensively, I think they really miss Mary Parker. She hasn't played this year and that roughly coincides with the start of their scoring difficulties. She doens't get a lot of press (and didn't in prep school/Assabet either) but she is almost always the vital (or one of the vital) cogs of every team she plays on and has the ability to raise the play of everyone around her. Also, I'm sure that the Laing sisters have been distracted by Denna's injury (who wouldn't be) and Lexie was injured earlier in the year and hasn't been at the same level as last season as a result. But more importantly, this team doesn't have a lot of natural scorers - Daniels and Miye would be about the only two I think.

There is no question that the team misses Mary Parker but she alone should not be the reason that they have had so much trouble scoring goals. There's enough talent or at least should be enough talent to score at least three times a game even against quality opposition. Unless of course the talent isn't as good as we think it is and that may be the problem.

I don't think the goaltending is suspect. Maschmeyer is regularly facing over 30 shots a game and opposing teams are getting quality chances and good looks at her at close range. The D has been making poor decisions in their breakout passes causing the forwards to have to spend an inordinate amount of time in their D zone trying to get the puck moving in the opposite direction. This hamstrings their offensive effort. It all adds up.

I don't know what can be done to fix this in the short term. I have a hard time believing that Rachlin and Mastel and Frazier all of sudden morphed into the weak links on this team. Something else is going on that is holding this team back. Granted we miss Edney, Gedman and Pucci but it shouldn't lead to a total team breakdown on our backline.
 
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There is no question that the team misses Mary Parker but she alone should not be the reason that they have had so much trouble scoring goals. There's enough talent or at least should be enough talent to score at least three times a game even against quality opposition. Unless of course the talent isn't as good as we think it is and that may be the problem.

I don't think the goaltending is suspect. Maschmeyer is regularly facing over 30 shots a game and opposing teams are getting quality chances and good looks at her at close range. The D has been making poor decisions in their breakout passes causing the forwards to have to spend an inordinate amount of time in their D zone trying to get the puck moving in the opposite direction. This hamstrings their offensive effort. It all adds up.

I don't know what can be done to fix this in the short term. I have a hard time believing that Rachlin and Mastel and Frazier all of sudden morphed into the weak links on this team. Something else is going on that is holding this team back. Granted we miss Edney, Gedman and Pucci but it shouldn't lead to a total team breakdown on our backline.

Team defense is NOT just the backline's responsibility. I struggle with the concept that shots on net = must be something wrong with the defensemen. The best teams play team defense, and that includes not just the "D", but centers (who have significant defensive zone responsibility, and in Harvard's concept, interchangeability with defensemen) and wings (who need to backcheck hard, cover the point, slip into the slot when there are breakdowns, and win the sidewall battles to get it out of the zone).
 
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I don't actually think that the D on this team are particularly strong defensively in the first place but the goalies have been saving their arse. Now that the goaltending has become suspect recently the D failures are more exposed/visible. The Brown game should be really concerning since there is no way they should be giving up 3 goals to Brown regardless of who is in net. Setting aside the Sacred Heart game, that is only the second game this season that Brown has scored 3 or more goals in a game. Yikes!

Offensively, I think they really miss Mary Parker. She hasn't played this year and that roughly coincides with the start of their scoring difficulties. She doens't get a lot of press (and didn't in prep school/Assabet either) but she is almost always the vital (or one of the vital) cogs of every team she plays on and has the ability to raise the play of everyone around her. Also, I'm sure that the Laing sisters have been distracted by Denna's injury (who wouldn't be) and Lexie was injured earlier in the year and hasn't been at the same level as last season as a result. But more importantly, this team doesn't have a lot of natural scorers - Daniels and Miye would be about the only two I think.

These.

Also, Picard has had to spend the season tutoring the promising sophomore Ziadie while the rest of the blue line collapsed around them.

Also, with no Parker the team has no SIZE, a critical component for putting together a winner in this conference. Think of last year with Crowe, Reber, Fry, along with Parker! All gone.
 
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Team defense is NOT just the backline's responsibility. I struggle with the concept that shots on net = must be something wrong with the defensemen. The best teams play team defense, and that includes not just the "D", but centers (who have significant defensive zone responsibility, and in Harvard's concept, interchangeability with defensemen) and wings (who need to backcheck hard, cover the point, slip into the slot when there are breakdowns, and win the sidewall battles to get it out of the zone).

We were not talking about team defense per se. The criticism was directed to the the team's D corp. There is a difference. I agree that forwards play a role in team defense and during this stretch, Harvard's forwards have had to scramble deep in the zone to help the D move the puck up and out. It hampers their ability to create an offensive rush and pressure the opponents D. That was one explanation I was offering for the lack of offensive production.
 
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These.

Also, Picard has had to spend the season tutoring the promising sophomore Ziadie while the rest of the blue line collapsed around them.

Also, with no Parker the team has no SIZE, a critical component for putting together a winner in this conference. Think of last year with Crowe, Reber, Fry, along with Parker! All gone.

Not true. Heffernan, Daniels, Mullins, Harvey and Warner and Dani K all have size. It is true that Picard has had to shoulder a lot of minutes to bring along Zaidie who should not be on the first D pairing at this point in her career. Lot to ask of both of them.
 
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Lots of thoughtful analysis by recent posters...now we should all take a look at the last four or five post-game interviews to get a peek into Coach Stone's thinking (or at least that portion of her thinking that she chooses to make public.

And not only does she touch on a number of the issues you've raised on this thread but...boy oh boy does she ever sound like Claude Julian! In those daily at-length quotes in the Globe.

She characterizes this year's squad as, essentially, a lunchpail team that lacks the individual offensive talents of many of its opponents and must therefore compete by relying on hockey intelligence, enthusiasm and grit ("jam" is her word).

Tactically, her bugbears include hubristic attempts to make pretty individual plays ("we've got to keep it simple, play north-south, don't make clever passes to nowhere"), not driving to the net enough, poor shot selection, overpassing on the power play.

Like Julian, she ruefully notes that some of the F line combinations that the coaching staff thought would have great chemistry have turned out to be out of synch, and she has recently juggled them (though nowhere near as frantically as Julian). She also says that the D pairings had gone stale (a euphemism for "had gotten into bad habits"?) and in the Yale game she put Tse up with Picard, paired Frazer with Mastel, and paired Rachlin with Ziadie (who were both +1 with Zadie scoring a goal by jumping up on a long juicy rebound). It will be interesting to see how many minutes the Picard-Tse pairing will now log...it's like when Julian, towards the end of every season, stops pairing Chara with a neophyte and pairs him with the club's second-best D.

She describes how she totally revised the personnel and tactics of the PP in the 19 hours between the Brown and Yale games....more movement, different looks, less aimless passing, more blasts from the point (including the one that Nikki Friesen tipped home).

I continue to be puzzled by the question of how to asses the play of the three Ds from the Class of '17. They were the 3rd, 4th and 5th Ds two years ago (just as they are now), on the undermanned squad that nonetheless made the NCAAs, and when Frazer was injured for half the season, the other two were logging 25 or 30 minutes a game. True, all the Beanpot schools and some of the ECAC schools were missing key players that year, but on the other hand the three '17s were just freshmen then, so you'd sort of expect them to be as good this year as they were then.

One consequence of Mary Parker's absence besides the loss of her all-around individual play is the effect it's had on the third line's role. Last year there was such incredible depth that Katey often rolled three lines with equal goal production, so that even on the road, the opponent's third line had to match up with one of those three lines. This year, absent Parker, the third line has reverted to the classic Stone role of energy line: forecheck and back check like the wind, see if you can keep cycling the puck 180 feet away from your own goal, and you've had a valuable shift...don't worry about scoring. So opponents can now concentrate their defensive effort on stopping the top line(s).
 
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Rather than quote Watson with my reply and make it look like the Declaration of Independence, I'll just say that his comments were spot on and I'm not surprised by Katey's reaction to her team's mediocre results. Although borrowing Julien's quotes is frightening in so many ways. I will say that I don't necessarily think this is a 'lunchpail' squad per se. That's not how I would characterize D'Oench, Heffernan, Laing or Daniels. But they are surely lacking in offensive skill. D'Oench had so much more success as a second line right wing last year because she was often better than the players she went up against. Not true this year. Opponents are keying on her and it is wearing her down.
 
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So Katie changes her defensive pairings after the Brown debacle, Harvard goes down 3-1 to BU early in the first and then magic. Maschmeyer shuts the door and Harvard comes back and wins it 5-3 (ENG). Daniels with the tying and GWG goals and O'Dench with 2 goals (One an ENG). Congrats to the Crimson, as I posted in the Scores thread, at least one Harvard team showed up in a Beanpot Consolation game.
 
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I continue to be puzzled by the question of how to asses the play of the three Ds from the Class of '17. They were the 3rd, 4th and 5th Ds two years ago (just as they are now), on the undermanned squad that nonetheless made the NCAAs, and when Frazer was injured for half the season, the other two were logging 25 or 30 minutes a game. True, all the Beanpot schools and some of the ECAC schools were missing key players that year, but on the other hand the three '17s were just freshmen then, so you'd sort of expect them to be as good this year as they were then.

I would not expect them to be as good this year. Mastel and Frazer dressed for all the games last year but were the 5th and 6th defenseman most of the time and sat long stretches and during critical parts of close games, including most of the third period. Rachlin sat in the stands half of the games last year and barely played when she dressed. Hard to get better or even stay at the same level when you are not playing a regular shift or at all. This is a foreseeable byproduct of all the returning players (injuries and Olympics) that made Harvard strong last season and also, coincidentally, why Erin O'Connor decided to go to Cornell instead of Harvard where she has turned out to be a very solid D, at least partly because she is playing (and even overplaying). It was a decision to go for broke last year at the expense of future years.
 
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I would not expect them to be as good this year. Mastel and Frazer dressed for all the games last year but were the 5th and 6th defenseman most of the time and sat long stretches and during critical parts of close games, including most of the third period. Rachlin sat in the stands half of the games last year and barely played when she dressed. Hard to get better or even stay at the same level when you are not playing a regular shift or at all. This is a foreseeable byproduct of all the returning players (injuries and Olympics) that made Harvard strong last season and also, coincidentally, why Erin O'Connor decided to go to Cornell instead of Harvard where she has turned out to be a very solid D, at least partly because she is playing (and even overplaying). It was a decision to go for broke last year at the expense of future years.

Honestly - Frazer and Mastel can play. I'm not sure Rachlin can. Watched her for several games this year and she seems like she doesn't get the speed or the intent of the game.

If I were the coach, I would move to a 5 D rotation (without Rachlin). Use Picard and Frazer every 2nd shift and then rotate Mastel, Zadie and Tse. Rachlin is not at the level, regardless of time on ice, experience, God, the weather, etc. She must be too deep into the heavy curriculum.
 
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