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Harvard Crimson 2014-2015: Restoring the Karma

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jstadts said:
as long as he doesn`t suffer a major injury. If that happens then he might have the regret of a lifetime. Life..its a gamble.
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Oh that's positive. And like that never happens to pros early in their career. Look up Normand Levielle if you want proof. Life is unpredictable but living in fear is a sure way to screw things up.
 
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I am not saying he is making the wrong or right decision by staying.Just stating he is making a HUGE decision . Hope it works out for him.
 
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jstadts said:
I am not saying he is making the wrong or right decision by staying.Just stating he is making a HUGE decision . Hope it works out for him.
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What he is doing is making a smart decision for the rest of his life. Hockey players have shelf lives like any other pro athlete. With a Harvard degree completed, Jimmy will have options beyond the NHL when the time comes for him to hang up his skates. We've had other players leave early and their pro careers went nowhere. I'm not talking just about Leblanc here; there have been others who left who should have stayed to finish their careers. They listened to the wrong folks. Vesey is ready for the NHL now and he will be successful no matter where he goes because he isn't taking shortcuts. The fact that he wants his degree speaks volumes about his commitment to the team, the school and to his future beyond hockey.
 
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Skate79 said:
What he is doing is making a smart decision for the rest of his life. Hockey players have shelf lives like any other pro athlete. With a Harvard degree completed, Jimmy will have options beyond the NHL when the time comes for him to hang up his skates. We've had other players leave early and their pro careers went nowhere. I'm not talking just about Leblanc here; there have been others who left who should have stayed to finish their careers. They listened to the wrong folks. Vesey is ready for the NHL now and he will be successful no matter where he goes because he isn't taking shortcuts. The fact that he wants his degree speaks volumes about his commitment to the team, the school and to his future beyond hockey.
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I agree with you for the most part as I also like to see players stay in school all 4 years. I also agree with you that many times when guys leave early their NHL dreams die fast. However I still feel if he is truly ready for the NHL he is taking a big risk playing with amateurs that aren`t risking anything near what he is every shift. Every year I see ECAC players show no concern for the other guys well being with HFB, Knee on knee, shoulders to the head.The coaches dont`t seem to mind as unless the league punishes them they sure don`t. With only one year left of school he could do what adam oates did and finish his degree work over the summer.A more recent ECAC player that is doing that is shayne gostishbehere who signed after his junior year and promptly blew his knee out AFTER he got the $$$. As I said I hope he is making the right move.
 
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jstadts said:
I agree with you for the most part as I also like to see players stay in school all 4 years. I also agree with you that many times when guys leave early their NHL dreams die fast. However I still feel if he is truly ready for the NHL he is taking a big risk playing with amateurs that aren`t risking anything near what he is every shift. Every year I see ECAC players show no concern for the other guys well being with HFB, Knee on knee, shoulders to the head.The coaches dont`t seem to mind as unless the league punishes them they sure don`t. With only one year left of school he could do what adam oates did and finish his degree work over the summer.A more recent ECAC player that is doing that is shayne gostishbehere who signed after his junior year and promptly blew his knee out AFTER he got the $$$. As I said I hope he is making the right move.
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Right but Gostisbehere won the national championship with Union so he had nothing left to play for this past season. It made sense for him to jump ship. Vesey and Harvard didn't make the Frozen Four this year but if all breaks right, we could be loaded for bear next season and he knows it. That and the degree is in large measure why he is returning to school. He wants another chance to win a title. If Harvard stunk the joint out this year, he might very well have decided to leave.

I'm not disagreeing with you either by the way. You make valid points. Eichel does nothing by staying at BU - he is clearly head and shoulders above other players. So it makes sense for him to leave especially where he will either be the #1 or #2 pick in the draft and get a nice contract. You look at Arcobello and Miller from Yale. They stayed and graduated and are playing either in the NHL or AHL. Killorn from Harvard stayed and now is playing a major role with Tampa. Danny Biega is up with Carolina and his brother Alex is skating with Vancouver. Staying and finishing isn't the stigma it used to be especially where an Ivy degree is at stake.
 
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All of this finishing the degree talk, or the importance of a Harvard education talk, is it not misplaced? Could Vesey not finish it over the next summers, or return when he has retired from hockey? How does that work? So that way he could still go pro and get the Harvard degree (which I agree is important, just that I am wondering if he could go another route to get it). Either way, I agree with the posters that he must think this team has a chance at a national title, and that he wants to finish that unfinished business with his teammates. That must be his motivation. Great for the Crimson no matter what drove his decision!
 
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sam12 said:
All of this finishing the degree talk, or the importance of a Harvard education talk, is it not misplaced? Could Vesey not finish it over the next summers, or return when he has retired from hockey? How does that work? So that way he could still go pro and get the Harvard degree (which I agree is important, just that I am wondering if he could go another route to get it). Either way, I agree with the posters that he must think this team has a chance at a national title, and that he wants to finish that unfinished business with his teammates. That must be his motivation. Great for the Crimson no matter what drove his decision!
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I don't think he would wait until he retired to finish his degree. He could do it over the summers between seasons. All of this is moot of course because he is coming back but my guess is that other players who have left early have come back during the summer to finish their studies.

Missing out on graduation week however is something I wouldn't trade even for a pro career in hockey. There is just nothing like attending or participating in a Harvard graduation ceremony. It's your last chance to say goodbye to people who have been there with you since you were a wide eyed freshman and the memories are something you won't get anywhere else. I still talk about it to this day with one of my classmates who happens to be my best friend.
 
Hokydad said:
word on the street is that Dartmouth is adding lockers on the roof to help accomodate their 87 recruits over next couple years. i know a few they are still talking to. will be a lot of disgruntled parents in Hanover

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...tcolid=-1&sortasc=true&page=2&rowsperpage=250
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Any thoughts on the 3 new recruits? Two guys out of Eastern Canada and Reily Walsh out of Proctor?

Be interesting to see who comes in next year on the blue line. DOMBROVSKY out of the BCHL was originally committed to Yale and is a puck mover. Olsen out of Minn was originally committed to Michigan Tech and is a real shut down guy.

I suppose much will depend on eligibility issues with Everson, McNally, and Blackwell.
 
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walsh is a great pick up, as good as they get at his age. as a 99 birthyear was a standout in fall prep league vs 94-97 players. very good year
 
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Sources saying that Josh Melnick has committed to Harvard for 2016. Was previously committed to Princeton for 2015. Another year in the USHL it appears.
 
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bothman said:
Any thoughts on the 3 new recruits? Two guys out of Eastern Canada and Reily Walsh out of Proctor?

Be interesting to see who comes in next year on the blue line. DOMBROVSKY out of the BCHL was originally committed to Yale and is a puck mover. Olsen out of Minn was originally committed to Michigan Tech and is a real shut down guy.

I suppose much will depend on eligibility issues with Everson, McNally, and Blackwell.
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Well look Alan Bourbeau was asked to leave school for academic reasons and got another year in '88-'89. So it's not like McNally or Everson will be breaking new ground for the Crimson. Blackwell was listed as a junior on the roster; I really want him back if at all possible unless there is a risk to his health.
 
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vicb said:
Hmmmm. So much for Ivy integrity and gentlemen's agreements. :eek:

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...-ron-fogarty-calls-out-player-decommitting-on
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Harvard has lost its fair share of recruits over the years. Especially in the women's program (two to Cornell, one to Yale, one to BU that I know of). I do agree that it doesn't say much for our staff to pursue a kid who has committed to another school. But you have to wonder, why didn't the kid just say 'no, leave me alone'? Why would you pursue someone for five months unless you had an inkling that the kid wasn't 100% sure of his commitment? It doesn't make sense. Harvard opens itself up to have the same thing happen to them.
 
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Watching Nebraska-Omaha live last night re-opened an old can of aggravation, wondering why Harvard lost to them. They are a young team and will most likely be much better in the future, but this team is one of the most mediocre Frozen Four teams I've seen. You rarely get as easy a road in the tournament as Harvard was given to get to a Frozen Four at home, and as Kramer would say, "You blew it, you really blew it."

OK, I'll shut up about it now.
 
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Watching the Friars win it all last night gives me hope for next season and the Crimson going all the way. If McNally and Everson are granted another year, we have a great chance to make it four eastern national champions. I know BU is young and will want another shot but losing Eichel will hurt them big time. He is a once in a generation type player.

If you think about it, Nate Leaman actually had a hand in two consecutive national titles. He built the Union program that won it last year and of course, his Friars won last night. Great testament to his abilities as a coach and program builder.
 
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Crimson Faced said:
Watching Nebraska-Omaha live last night re-opened an old can of aggravation, wondering why Harvard lost to them. They are a young team and will most likely be much better in the future, but this team is one of the most mediocre Frozen Four teams I've seen. You rarely get as easy a road in the tournament as Harvard was given to get to a Frozen Four at home, and as Kramer would say, "You blew it, you really blew it."

OK, I'll shut up about it now.
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We lost because of several stupid mistakes that cost us - the first goal that Michalek should have covered up, lack of discipline and not a lot to speak of from the second and third lines. Players didn't step up. Hopefully, they learned from it and will use it as motivation next season.
 
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Vesey (and Eichel) invited to play for Team USA in the World Championships according to College Hockey News. Reportedly they are petitioning their respective universities to take finals overseas. I'm sure Harvard can figure it out - it would be a reason to actually watch the Worlds.
 
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Skate79 said:
If you think about it, Nate Leaman actually had a hand in two consecutive national titles. He built the Union program that won it last year and of course, his Friars won last night. Great testament to his abilities as a coach and program builder.
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Didn't he also coach at Harvard?
 
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