Can't really agree as Harvard is the program with the most Kazmaiers.
It's about the academics and preferences of the star players. Some end up prefering Harvard. Some don't. Doesn't rule out the possibility of Harvard getting star forwards.
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Harvard Crimson 2014-15
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It's about the academics and preferences of the star players. Some end up prefering Harvard. Some don't. Doesn't rule out the possibility of Harvard getting star forwards.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
A very well done Harvard video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyL0liSli8
A very well done Harvard video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyL0liSli8
OnMAA
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Exactly. Harvards is still a prime/preferred option for many top recruits in the east. A top notch recruit (The top one of her class) from a few years ago wanted to go there, but could not get in academically, and therein lies the biggest challenge for the likes of Harvard vs the likes of Minny/Wisco etc. Harder to get in on academics. Having said that, ask any kid from Boston and their first choice of any good academic school is probably Harvard.
Exactly. Harvards is still a prime/preferred option for many top recruits in the east. A top notch recruit (The top one of her class) from a few years ago wanted to go there, but could not get in academically, and therein lies the biggest challenge for the likes of Harvard vs the likes of Minny/Wisco etc. Harder to get in on academics. Having said that, ask any kid from Boston and their first choice of any good academic school is probably Harvard.
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driventoit
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
If you have to go out a runner-up it's nice to go out with sentiments like these, along with similar posts. The FF should really be feel-good time for all the teams involved, knowing they've collectively represented what's great about the women's game. Minny itself? Just too good. Congratulations!
If you have to go out a runner-up it's nice to go out with sentiments like these, along with similar posts. The FF should really be feel-good time for all the teams involved, knowing they've collectively represented what's great about the women's game. Minny itself? Just too good. Congratulations!
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Very true! It depends on the goals and plans of the player. Many years ago (25+) we found a Harvard girl to babysit our son between school and our getting home (whereupon we would drive her to Bright for practice) She became, essentially, part of our family. She was hotly recruited by many schools but chose Harvard, despite a limited academic schlarship, as she wanted to be a doctor and felt Harvard would give her the best shot at med school entry. After Harvard she went on to Dalhousie Med and is now a surgeon in her native Ontario.
Boys may look at a future in the NHL but girls have to look for something else beyond college hockey.
Very true! It depends on the goals and plans of the player. Many years ago (25+) we found a Harvard girl to babysit our son between school and our getting home (whereupon we would drive her to Bright for practice) She became, essentially, part of our family. She was hotly recruited by many schools but chose Harvard, despite a limited academic schlarship, as she wanted to be a doctor and felt Harvard would give her the best shot at med school entry. After Harvard she went on to Dalhousie Med and is now a surgeon in her native Ontario.
Boys may look at a future in the NHL but girls have to look for something else beyond college hockey.
OnMAA
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Hit the nail on the head. Have two daughters who made similar "academic first" choices, and both are now in the medical field. Their decisions years ago to have the academic value as the most important criteria to drive their choice of school, paid of in spades for both of them. For sure gave them both an easier route into Med-School. As I've said many times before. AAA should stand for "All About Academics" not for an extra letter on the jacket. JMO.
Hit the nail on the head. Have two daughters who made similar "academic first" choices, and both are now in the medical field. Their decisions years ago to have the academic value as the most important criteria to drive their choice of school, paid of in spades for both of them. For sure gave them both an easier route into Med-School. As I've said many times before. AAA should stand for "All About Academics" not for an extra letter on the jacket. JMO.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Seconded. I came home Sunday night feeling good about the game and then read a bunch of positive posts and just felt better!
Congratulations to Harvard on a great season and a hard fought, well played championship game!
Seconded. I came home Sunday night feeling good about the game and then read a bunch of positive posts and just felt better!
Congratulations to Harvard on a great season and a hard fought, well played championship game!
OnMAA
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
I agree with that as well. The team and all the players should be lauded for a great season. Sure 1 win short of the ultimate prize, but many great accomplishments along the way. They will look fondly back onto the experience for many many years, and so they should.
I agree with that as well. The team and all the players should be lauded for a great season. Sure 1 win short of the ultimate prize, but many great accomplishments along the way. They will look fondly back onto the experience for many many years, and so they should.
pokechecker
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Exactly. The AI will rule out some players who can get accepted and get a full ride at Minnesota and Wisconsin. We can't compete with that despite our academics. The men's team lost four recruits recently because of admissions. For every Sarah Vaillancourt, Minnesota and Wisconsin can recruit at least five such talented players and look forward to the Frozen Four pretty much every year. That just isn't going to happen for us on a consistent basis, Kazmaiers or no Kazmaiers.
Exactly. The AI will rule out some players who can get accepted and get a full ride at Minnesota and Wisconsin. We can't compete with that despite our academics. The men's team lost four recruits recently because of admissions. For every Sarah Vaillancourt, Minnesota and Wisconsin can recruit at least five such talented players and look forward to the Frozen Four pretty much every year. That just isn't going to happen for us on a consistent basis, Kazmaiers or no Kazmaiers.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
I will concede that your intent was not to disparage the players at MN and Wisco. However, based solely on the little bios that are provided when they are recruited, and on the majors they have been declaring (mostly STEM, business, or pre-med), I would wager that most of them have the academic chops to get into Harvard. In fact, there are quite a few of them that appear to be right in the Harvard wheelhouse. Surprising if Harvard didn't recruit them heavily. The fact is, both MN and Wisco put heavy emphasis on academics and are recruiting exactly the same 5% as Harvard.
I will concede that your intent was not to disparage the players at MN and Wisco. However, based solely on the little bios that are provided when they are recruited, and on the majors they have been declaring (mostly STEM, business, or pre-med), I would wager that most of them have the academic chops to get into Harvard. In fact, there are quite a few of them that appear to be right in the Harvard wheelhouse. Surprising if Harvard didn't recruit them heavily. The fact is, both MN and Wisco put heavy emphasis on academics and are recruiting exactly the same 5% as Harvard.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
I thought Harvard was the best team I've seen at cutting off a player who was advancing with the puck up the right side against the boards, without checking them into the boards.
Made me wish I could see them try to do that to Kelly Terry. Nobody could stop Kelly Terry that way, they usually misjudged the angle ands she was already by them!
I thought Harvard was the best team I've seen at cutting off a player who was advancing with the puck up the right side against the boards, without checking them into the boards.
Made me wish I could see them try to do that to Kelly Terry. Nobody could stop Kelly Terry that way, they usually misjudged the angle ands she was already by them!
alslammerz
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
To be fair, even people with the academic chops to get into Harvard (or other Ivies) don't get in. But the point is that no other league has a stringent score requirement based on standardized tests and GPA like the Ivy League has with the AI. And, IIRC, since the AIs are connected for all sports (except football) a borderline player of one sport might not get in to let a borderline player of another sport in. Which means that someone who would have gotten in under normal conditions doesn't get through admissions - which has happened to Harvard a few times in recent years with big names.
To be fair, even people with the academic chops to get into Harvard (or other Ivies) don't get in. But the point is that no other league has a stringent score requirement based on standardized tests and GPA like the Ivy League has with the AI. And, IIRC, since the AIs are connected for all sports (except football) a borderline player of one sport might not get in to let a borderline player of another sport in. Which means that someone who would have gotten in under normal conditions doesn't get through admissions - which has happened to Harvard a few times in recent years with big names.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
I didn't mean to imply that the Ivies don't have self inflicted challenges when recruiting. I was just trying to point out that many of those turned away are turned away for reasons other than their ability or their scores. And yes, other schools are glad to have them.
I didn't mean to imply that the Ivies don't have self inflicted challenges when recruiting. I was just trying to point out that many of those turned away are turned away for reasons other than their ability or their scores. And yes, other schools are glad to have them.
pokechecker
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
hopefully the young women making their college choice isn't making the same mistake you Ivy simpletons are making
suppose the young lady has an interest in going into chemical engineering (as just one example, I could use at least a dozen other examples)
should she pick:
Harvard
Minnesota
Wisconsin
????
since you are so smart, do you need someone with merely a public university degree to tell you
or can you figure it out yourself?
hopefully the young women making their college choice isn't making the same mistake you Ivy simpletons are making
suppose the young lady has an interest in going into chemical engineering (as just one example, I could use at least a dozen other examples)
should she pick:
Harvard
Minnesota
Wisconsin
????
since you are so smart, do you need someone with merely a public university degree to tell you
or can you figure it out yourself?
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Hux
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OnMAA
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
I think you missed the point. Many players with decent academics do get turned away at the Ivies because of their AI score.
However, contrary to what alslammerz indicated, I was under the impression that some borderline players do get in as a result of other players in the same class being academic boosters. I've seen cases where an Ivy candidate all of a sudden became more attractive cause their test scores went up sufficiently to make them an academic booster of the class. Certainly seen this happen at the school one of our D attended.
I think you missed the point. Many players with decent academics do get turned away at the Ivies because of their AI score.
However, contrary to what alslammerz indicated, I was under the impression that some borderline players do get in as a result of other players in the same class being academic boosters. I've seen cases where an Ivy candidate all of a sudden became more attractive cause their test scores went up sufficiently to make them an academic booster of the class. Certainly seen this happen at the school one of our D attended.
OnMAA
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
I'll answer that question from a personal opinion point of view. (And I qualify based on your context, since I do have a "public university degree" albeit not from the US
)
For the vast majority of college players there is NO hockey related careers after college. If their objective is to have a career in a certain endeavor, and they have the marks and scores to get into an Ivy, that should be their primary choice, NOT where they can excel better in hockey. AAA is All about Academics. I know from first hand experience (own children) what an Ivy degree with good marks brings in terms of improved opportunities post college. JMO.
I'll answer that question from a personal opinion point of view. (And I qualify based on your context, since I do have a "public university degree" albeit not from the US
)For the vast majority of college players there is NO hockey related careers after college. If their objective is to have a career in a certain endeavor, and they have the marks and scores to get into an Ivy, that should be their primary choice, NOT where they can excel better in hockey. AAA is All about Academics. I know from first hand experience (own children) what an Ivy degree with good marks brings in terms of improved opportunities post college. JMO.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
While an Ivy degree will certainly help, opportunities post college will depend more on the individual, the chosen major and the quality of education one receives in that chosen major.