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Gulf Oil Spill 2010

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WeWantMore said:
There were a billion rules in place already. They broke them.

If we add more rules, do you think they follow them?
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Obviously the problem is the rules. Take away the rules and they won't break them.

Problem solved.
 
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Kepler said:
This is what happens when government is "a friend to business." It's not appropriate for the government to be either friend or enemy of business. They are the ref.

But in our government, one of the teams is paying the ref. It's shocking when the calls go in their favor, isn't it?
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So if Business is the team paying the ref, then who is the other team in that analogy?
 
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LynahFan said:
So if Business is the team paying the ref, then who is the other team in that analogy?
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The public.

Back in the day a complicit organization who caused so much disaster would have been bankrupt and the pieces sold off so we never have to hear from them again. This organization (BP) is allowed to commit these atrocities over and over and over again with minimal reprucussions in lieu of their billions in profits.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jan/11/bp-gulf-oil-spill-final-report

In 2006, BP was responsible for the largest ever oil spill on Alaska's North Slope when a pipeline at its Prudhoe Bay field leaked an estimated 5,000 barrels.

BP's Alaska operations have also been the subject of numerous 'whistleblowing' safety concerns being raised by the ombudsman the company set up in 2006. Of the 252 known concerns received since 2006, 148 relate to BP's Alaska operations, including 50 specific safety-related concerns at the North Slope operations.
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Priceless said:
Obviously the problem is the rules. Take away the rules and they won't break them.

Problem solved.
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Well done. That's not even close to what I said. Good job.

I'm not calling for deregulation.

I'm saying the people calling for more regulation are looney tunes if they think it will solve anything.
 
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WeWantMore said:
I'm saying the people calling for more regulation are looney tunes if they think it will solve anything.
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As long as we elect governments every 8 years or so that let business ignore regulations, you are right. The two possible solutions are (a) don't elect those governments, or (b) make the penalties stiffer during those years when we are enforcing our laws.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Well done. That's not even close to what I said. Good job.

I'm not calling for deregulation.

I'm saying the people calling for more regulation are looney tunes if they think it will solve anything.
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I'm sorry. Scooby said

Clearly we need to deregulate. Clearly.
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Your response was

There were a billion rules in place already. They broke them.

If we add more rules, do you think they follow them?
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I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4. Obviously the answer is Popsicle.
 
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Kepler said:
As long as we elect governments every 8 years or so that let business ignore regulations, you are right. The two possible solutions are (a) don't elect those governments, or (b) make the penalties stiffer during those years when we are enforcing our laws.
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Please. Let's not pretend this is a one party problem.

Priceless said:
I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4. Obviously the answer is Popsicle.
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Deregulation= the taking away of rules and regulations. Where did I call for that?

Again, Scooby just posted an article talking about all the rules BP broke. By all means, put more in place. Don't come whining when they don't fix anything though.
 
Re: Gulf Oil Spill 2010

Kepler said:
As long as we elect governments every 8 years or so that let business ignore regulations, you are right. The two possible solutions are (a) don't elect those governments, or (b) make the penalties stiffer during those years when we are enforcing our laws.
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People need to start going to prison. Period. The fines for a billion dollar corporation don't deter. It's akin to the fine given Brett Favre which amounted to less than 1% of his salary for the year.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Please. Let's not pretend this is a one party problem.
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With the Dems, being bribed by business is corruption.

With the GOP, it's the central plank of the party platform.

Fining corporations doesn't help anyway -- workers get fired, prices go up, bonus packages stay the same. There is only one way to make execs obey the law. Anything short of that comes out of the risk reward calculator as "go for it."
 
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill 2010

WeWantMore said:
Again, Scooby just posted an article talking about all the rules BP broke. By all means, put more in place. Don't come whining when they don't fix anything though.
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You're missing the point. I agree with you there are ENOUGH rules. What I am ****ed off about is the number one mantra you hear in the media is that we need more deregulation. NO, sorry we do not need more deregulation. We need more enforcement and stiffer penalties. You destroy the planet we destroy you.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The public.
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Priceless said:
Citizens.
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So if this is a corruption problem, is more money is donated to candidates by Corporations or by everybody else?

I'm not in any way arguing that the BP oil spill is not "a" problem - just that I don't think it's a corruption problem. My guess is that if there were lawmakers out there who turned a blind eye toward anything going on, then it's probably more likely that they did so in the name of preserving jobs (you know, for regular citizens) than out of some desire to line the pockets of BP execs.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
You're missing the point. I agree with you there are ENOUGH rules. What I am ****ed off about is the number one mantra you hear in the media is that we need more deregulation. NO, sorry we do not need more deregulation. We need more enforcement and stiffer penalties. You destroy the planet we destroy you.
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And I'm in 1000% percent agreement with you there.

I wasn't really replying to you in the first place, just making a general point about people calling for more more more rules.
 
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LynahFan said:
My guess is that if there were lawmakers out there who turned a blind eye toward anything going on, then it's probably more likely that they did so in the name of preserving jobs (you know, for regular citizens) than out of some desire to line the pockets of BP execs.
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What color is the sky in your world?

na·ive [nah-eev]
–adjective
1. having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous.

2. having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information; credulous: She's so naive she believes everything she reads. He has a very naive attitude toward politics.
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill 2010

LynahFan said:
My guess is that if there were lawmakers out there who turned a blind eye toward anything going on, then it's probably more likely that they did so in the name of preserving jobs (you know, for regular citizens) than out of some desire to line the pockets of BP execs.
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That's not the choice. The lawmakers who close their eyes are being paid to do so with contributions -- the jobs they are interested in preserving are their own. If there was an equivalent public advocacy group that bribed them as much or more than corporations, then we'd have a horserace, but we don't organize that way. The entire idea that bribes are treated as protected speech is itself an absurd reminder of how much our government is beholden to its paymasters.
 
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Kepler said:
That's not the choice. The lawmakers who close their eyes are being paid to do so with contributions -- the jobs they are interested in preserving are their own. If there was an equivalent public advocacy group that bribed them as much or more than corporations, then we'd have a horserace, but we don't organize that way. The entire idea that bribes are treated as protected speech is itself an absurd reminder of how much our government is beholden to its paymasters.
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And the issue goes beyond Congress. They write the laws, but aren't in charge of enforcement. When there is a revolving door between regulators and the businesses they are supposed to regulate there's a problem. If my job is to regulate you but I'm going to be asking you for a job in six months it doesn't exactly behoove me to hit you with a lot of fines.
 
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