Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

[ex_goldy]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Come on now, Miami lost two to Rob Morris. Teams have bad weekends, and this was certainly a horrendous one, but getting whupped in a single game by your biggest rival in a meaningless game on Senior Day- I'll wait until I count the Badgers out.

This was such a big loss though, late in the season momentum is crucial. It reminded me of the sioux loss in Minnesota that took them 5 games to recover from. Especially their goalie, he was broke for a while.

 

[Almington]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Let's look back. These are for the complete season, If you want to go back, look up the playoff totals and subtract them go ahead.
BU-91
BC-101
MSU-102
UW-79
DU-110
DU-120
UM-122
UM-119
So 92 ga at this point is not looking too bad compared to the last 8 NC.

If you assume that those teams gave up 16 goals in the playoffs (An 2.0 gaa in the 8 tournament games):

BU-75
BC-85
MSU-86
UW-63
DU-94
DU-104
UM-106
UM-103

UW has the ability to score goals so having given up 92 goals isn't disastrous (just like the number of goals that MN and DU gave up), but the issue is that winning NCAA tournament requires that any team play 4 complete games in a row. This UW team has not displayed the ability to do that against NCAA tournament caliber teams.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

This was such a big loss though, late in the season momentum is crucial. It reminded me of the sioux loss in Minnesota that took them 5 games to recover from. Especially their goalie, he was broke for a while.

Good thing we played our backup goalie then. This game can be spun any way you want. The mind is a wonderful thing. Badger players and coaches are using it as a "wake up" call.

 

[backtoback31807]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Let's look back. These are for the complete season, If you want to go back, look up the playoff totals and subtract them go ahead.
BU-91
BC-101
MSU-102
UW-79
DU-110
DU-120
UM-122
UM-119
So 92 ga at this point is not looking too bad compared to the last 8 NC.

The last five were asked for, so here they are
2009 BU 69 allowed pre-tournament (1.91 average). Interestingly, this team gave up 2.44 per game in the post season.
2008 BC 88 allowed pre-tournament (2.44 average)
2007 MSU 83 allowed pre-tournament (2.44 average)
2006 UW 71 allowed pre-tournament (2.03 average)
2005 DU 100 allowed pre-tournament (2.85 per game)

UW now sits a 2.44 14th overall in the county.

 

[Bakunin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

This has more to do with our goaltending than our defense.

Whichever way you slice it, that's not a vulnerability I'd want to have heading into the tournament. Then again, MN won a title with Adam *'ing Hauser in net, so I guess anything's possible.

As far as motivation goes, I don't know why UW wouldn't have been motivated - they are playing their biggest rival after all, *and* they are playing for a top seed in the NCAA tournament. Having their PK take a colossal steamer against a bad PP isn't exactly a boon to a team's confidence.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Whichever way you slice it, that's not a vulnerability I'd want to have heading into the tournament. Then again, MN won a title with Adam *'ing Hauser in net, so I guess anything's possible.

As far as motivation goes, I don't know why UW wouldn't have been motivated - they are playing their biggest rival after all, *and* they are playing for a top seed in the NCAA tournament. Having their PK take a colossal steamer against a bad PP isn't exactly a boon to a team's confidence.

Can't argue with that. I mean I could for the sake of arguing. But If my team isn't going to show any effort today, neither am I.

 

[Bakunin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Can't argue with that. I mean I could for the sake of arguing. But If my team isn't going to show any effort today, neither am I.

Between the boneheaded errors and the absolute laziness, I could've sworn the teams swapped jerseys before the game. If you had forced me to bet on a team scoring six goals in a win this weekend, I sure as **** wouldn't have put that money on MN.

For all intents and purposes, UW played like MN did in the 2nd game at Duluth - completely flat, had a few opportunities fairly early on that could've changed the course of the game but didn't convert on them, and then just spent the last 30-40 minutes going through the motions and taking a collective dump in their breezers.

They certainly played better on Friday night when they won, but it still wasn't a particularly good outing - and certainly not as well as they played against MN in Madison. The problem for UW is that they don't have the shutdown goaltending to escape that type of game once the NCAA tourney starts and they go against better offensive teams. Even a first round opponent probably could've tagged them for four goals on Friday night. "Good enough" against a steaming turd of a Gopher team won't be good enough in 2-3 weeks.

 

[VarsityWisconsin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

If you assume that those teams gave up 16 goals in the playoffs (An 2.0 gaa in the 8 tournament games):

BU-75
BC-85
MSU-86
UW-63
DU-94
DU-104
UM-106
UM-103

UW has the ability to score goals so having given up 92 goals isn't disastrous (just like the number of goals that MN and DU gave up), but the issue is that winning NCAA tournament requires that any team play 4 complete games in a row. This UW team has not displayed the ability to do that against NCAA tournament caliber teams.

Did you happen to catch the UW vs New Hampshire series? How about the UW vs Denver series? How about the UW vs UND series (On the road)? UW has shown that they can play a complete series with NCAA tournament teams. You just haven't seen it due to ignorance.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Did you happen to catch the UW vs New Hampshire series? How about the UW vs Denver series? How about the UW vs UND series (On the road)? UW has shown that they can play a complete series with NCAA tournament teams. You just haven't seen it due to ignorance.

A series does not equal 4 games in a row. Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

 

[goldy_331]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Did you happen to catch the UW vs New Hampshire series? How about the UW vs Denver series? How about the UW vs UND series (On the road)? UW has shown that they can play a complete series with NCAA tournament teams. You just haven't seen it due to ignorance.

This may take the top post for irony in this thread, or perhaps any thread.

VW, calling out Almington for ignorance has to rank right up there.

 

[Tiggsy]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

This may take the top post for irony in this thread, or perhaps any thread.

VW, calling out Almington for ignorance has to rank right up there.

well, just let them go at it so we can sit back and enjoy the show. Makes it easier for us, right?

 

[VarsityWisconsin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

A series does not equal 4 games in a row. Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

If you are looking for 4 straight regular season wins against NCAA tournament teams in the schedule as a gauge for how far UW can get in the tournament, I'll let you live in your fantasy world of what it takes to get to a Frozen Four.

Last time I checked, it only takes 2 wins. Not 4. While you may question my reading comprehension, I question your logic.

I have a good idea for you. How about you nit pick the #3 team in the pairwise because you have a bias against them and then find reasons why they won't win it all. In the mean time, they'll play the games.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Last time I checked, it only takes 2 wins. Not 4. While you may question my reading comprehension, I question your logic.

It takes 4 wins to win it all...which is what the original statement was about. So, his logic is pretty sound, especially with regards to your reading comprehension....

 

[VarsityWisconsin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

It takes 4 wins to win it all...which is what the original statement was about. So, his logic is pretty sound, especially with regards to your reading comprehension....

So 4 straight regular season wins over NCAA Teams proves that UW can win the whole thing? Uh, yes. I do question that logic. All it takes is a hot goaltender or some machine goal scoring in a good stretch of games and any team in the tournament can do it. UW could get either as Goody has had hot stretches and they lead the nation in goals scored.

 

[Tiggsy]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

UW has the ability to score goals so having given up 92 goals isn't disastrous (just like the number of goals that MN and DU gave up), but the issue is that winning NCAA tournament requires that any team play 4 complete games in a row. This UW team has not displayed the ability to do that against NCAA tournament caliber teams.

The original issue was to win it all, not make the frozen 4. I guess the reading comprehension may have more validity then I originally thought.

EDIT: oops... too slow. Someone beat me to it.

 

[VarsityWisconsin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

The original issue was to win it all, not make the frozen 4. I guess the reading comprehension may have more validity then I originally thought.

EDIT: oops... too slow. Someone beat me to it.

Or I just skim his posts because they are mostly garbage and I have work to do here in the office. And yes, USCHO message boards aren't my #1 priority during the day like most of you.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

So 4 straight regular season wins over NCAA Teams proves that UW can win the whole thing? Uh, yes. I do question that logic. All it takes is a hot goaltender or some machine goal scoring in a good stretch of games and any team in the tournament can do it. UW could get either as Goody has had hot stretches and they lead the nation in goals scored.

You brought up series that UW has played well in. bbdl said that means nothing, since series are not 4 games in length. Then you stated it takes 2 games to make the FF which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And no, 4 straight regular season wins against NCAA teams doesn't prove anything. You don't get to play the same team again in the NCAA's.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

Or I just skim his posts because they are mostly garbage and I have work to do here in the office. And yes, USCHO message boards aren't my #1 priority during the day like most of you.

I don't post at all at work, and I still figured out what the original statement was about...

 

[VarsityWisconsin]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

You brought up series that UW has played well in. bbdl said that means nothing, since series are not 4 games in length. Then you stated it takes 2 games to make the FF which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And no, 4 straight regular season wins against NCAA teams doesn't prove anything. You don't get to play the same team again in the NCAA's.

Exactly my point. It doesn't prove anything. I contend that UW has the defense and offense to win it all. We all have our biases, though. On to the next thread as I reminded myself why I hate Minnesotans.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Gophers-Badgers: Not Good Enough for Mariucci

You brought up series that UW has played well in. bbdl said that means nothing, since series are not 4 games in length. Then you stated it takes 2 games to make the FF which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And no, 4 straight regular season wins against NCAA teams doesn't prove anything. You don't get to play the same team again in the NCAA's.

He probably won't respond, because USCHO message boards aren't the number 1 priority in his life. Ooops.