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Global War on Terror Version 7 - The Nightmare that Threatens the World!!!

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joecct said:
Consider the opposition.
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The opposition managed to turn around an economy that was in 1929 meltdown mode, avoided a catastrophically bad foreign policy decision (Iraq) and had the stones to pass health care legislation which even the health care industry knew was inevitable, given the skyrocketing cost and increasing unavailability of care--despite fighting opposition every step of the way from entrenched interests on the right. Obama has disappointed in many ways, to be sure, but he is champagne to Bush's MD 20/20.
 
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burd said:
The opposition managed to turn around an economy that was in 1929 meltdown mode, avoided a catastrophically bad foreign policy decision (Iraq) and had the stones to pass health care legislation which even the health care industry knew was inevitable, given the skyrocketing cost and increasing unavailability of care--despite fighting opposition every step of the way from entrenched interests on the right. Obama has disappointed in many ways, to be sure, but he is champagne to Bush's MD 20/20.
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Al Gore did all of that in 2000, did he?
 
5mn_Major said:
Would that stop them from hosting hate events strictly designed to inflame relations with Muslims?
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They hold art exhibits offensive to Christians in New York. Nobody gets shot. No fatwas, no excommunications. It's endured. Maybe, given the new normal, there should be riots led be habited nuns?
 
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joecct said:
They hold art exhibits offensive to Christians in New York. Nobody gets shot. No fatwas, no excommunications. It's endured. Maybe, given the new normal, there should be riots led be habited nuns?
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The New York artwork is extremely disrespectful. But most Christians get its just an icon and frankly they don't believe in idolatry anyways. For Christians that follow Jesus, turn the other cheek means we dislike it...but accept it. As a Christian myself, this is not a big deal due to the tenants of our belief.

A single cartoon resulted worldwide protests and anger. So you decide its a good idea to have a contest of it? Stupid playground bs with the potential of costing innocent lives somewhere. Muslims happen to have a different belief system. Are these 'Americans' the same people who believe in freedom? In the end, the goal is never to win conflict...but always to end it.

And then there's a driveby shooting with likely easily acquired guns. The whole scenario sounds like rightwinger heaven.
 
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5mn_Major said:
A single cartoon resulted worldwide protests and anger. So you decide its a good idea to have a contest of it? Stupid playground bs with the potential of costing innocent lives somewhere.
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They wanted the violence. If nobody'd taken the bait they would have rented a couple actors.

The people baiting the fundies and the fundies are the same make, just different models. Invent FTL and leave them to kill each other.
 
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joecct said:
Consider the opposition.
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I have. I'd take Al Gore 3,893,234,965,432 times over Dubya. Dubya did more to destroy this country than any President since Lincoln.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I have. I'd take Al Gore 3,893,234,965,432 times over Dubya. Dubya did more to destroy this country than any President since Lincoln.
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I see what you did there.
 
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The annual shrieking over Draw Mohammed events never fails to disappoint. Is it immature? Yep. So is the Islamic world's reaction.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The annual shrieking over Draw Mohammed events never fails to disappoint. Is it immature? Yep. So is the Islamic world's reaction.
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Let me restate that for you...

The fact moderates Muslims and Americans are PO'd about the whole thing makes 100% sense...whether they protest or not. Extremist Muslims and homegrown bigot righties are both dangerous idiots...and drag the rest of us into the crapper with them.
 
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From AP wire service:

WASHINGTON—The Senate on Thursday overwhelmingly passed a bill establishing Congress’s right to weigh in on global negotiations to curb Iran’s nuclear program.

The 98-1 vote capped weeks of bipartisan efforts to strike a delicate deal on the legislation and then protect it from unraveling on the Senate floor in what is likely the high-water mark for congressional consensus on the nuclear negotiations.

The bill from Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R., Tenn.) would prevent Mr. Obama from waiving sanctions on Iran for 30 days while Congress initially reviews a final agreement to diminish Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Lawmakers would then be able to vote on whether to disapprove of the deal, or take no action.
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Honestly I had no idea who Hersh was
 
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Kepler said:
Stuff like this makes me doubt the stuff Hersh has written before.
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I think the guy got dementia or something

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden




The moment when a lot of journalists started to question whether Hersh had veered from investigative reporting into something else came in January 2011. That month, he spoke at Georgetown University's branch campus in Qatar, where he gave a bizarre and rambling address alleging that top military and special forces leaders "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta ... many of them are members of Opus Dei." He suggested that they belong to a network first formed by former Vice President Dick Cheney that is steering US foreign policy toward an agenda of bringing Christianity to the Middle East.
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Two of these articles have focused at great length on the August 2013 chemical weapons attack in Ghouta, Syria, that killed hundreds of civilians. An extensive UN report, while barred from formally assigning responsibility, pointed out that the chemical weapons were delivered by munitions only used by the Syrian military, and had been fired from an area entirely controlled by Syrian military forces. Independent investigations by human rights groups pointed the finger at forces loyal to Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad. So did the US government.

Hersh, in his two articles, states that this is all false. In December 2013, he claimed that the Obama administration, seeking to justify its threat to strike Syria in retaliation, had willingly downplayed or ignored evidence that the chemical weapons had in fact been launched by the al-Qaeda franchise Jabhat al-Nusra. He cited a handful of anonymous (and, strangely, often retired) "officials" who warned of a "deliberate manipulation of intelligence" and compared Ghouta to the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident used to justify the US escalation in Vietnam.

Then, in April 2014, Hersh came out with a different story: the government of Turkey, he stated, had orchestrated the Ghouta chemical weapons attack with Jabhat al-Nusra as a false flag operation. Assad was innocent. Turkey and the al-Qaeda branch had cooked up the plan, intending that the attack would be blamed on the Syrian government, thus leading the United States to attack Syria. (You will notice, again, Hersh's preoccupation with false flag operations.)"
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