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Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
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BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
We could but that would misunderstands the UK's role in this. Ever since Tony Blair's Labor government decided to precede with devolution to curb any Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish independence movements in the 90s, certain government functions have been returned to the 3 "Celtic" kingdoms. This decision was made by a Scottish government minister, currently a Scottish National Party member, directly opposed to the governing Labor Party in London. There isn't anything Gordon Brown could really do.
A rough understanding would be like the Massachusetts in 2008 releasing some IRA terrorist who had blown up a British Airways flight and been sentenced under MA state law while being tried in the Hague. If MA had provisions for pardon by the governor (which I assume they do).
We could but that would misunderstands the UK's role in this. Ever since Tony Blair's Labor government decided to precede with devolution to curb any Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish independence movements in the 90s, certain government functions have been returned to the 3 "Celtic" kingdoms. This decision was made by a Scottish government minister, currently a Scottish National Party member, directly opposed to the governing Labor Party in London. There isn't anything Gordon Brown could really do.
A rough understanding would be like the Massachusetts in 2008 releasing some IRA terrorist who had blown up a British Airways flight and been sentenced under MA state law while being tried in the Hague. If MA had provisions for pardon by the governor (which I assume they do).
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
PNGing the ambassador probably is a step we've never taken with the UK. But, without some forceful action on our part, we're just words, not action.
Are Scots the Queen's subjects or not? If so, the Court of St. James needs to be "impressed" on how upset the people of the US are with the actions of one of Her Majesty's officials.
PNGing the ambassador probably is a step we've never taken with the UK. But, without some forceful action on our part, we're just words, not action.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
I started here ...
http://www.boycottscotland.com/
And I am no longer buying Scotch ... Jameson and Kentucky bourbon here I come.
I started here ...
http://www.boycottscotland.com/
And I am no longer buying Scotch ... Jameson and Kentucky bourbon here I come.
Slap Shot
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ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
A guy I went to school with was on that PanAm flight, so I have no problems letting the Scots know what I think of their actions.
A guy I went to school with was on that PanAm flight, so I have no problems letting the Scots know what I think of their actions.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
No one would minimize the loss but not only is there speculation this guy wasn't guilty in the first place, he's got little time left to live. I'd be more ****ed with his hero's welcome and Khadaffi Jr. than with anything having to do with the Scots. However, I do understand your sentiment if not your stance.
NCAA watcher
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
The guy should rot in jail til he dies. "Speculation" that he's not guilty doesn't excuse this act... if he has enough evidence he's not guilty, go through that channel. Using this bs (whether true or not) to justify this is wrong. There's a benefit to the families of knowing his last breath will be in prison, not at home. They should have been afforded that right.
The guy should rot in jail til he dies. "Speculation" that he's not guilty doesn't excuse this act... if he has enough evidence he's not guilty, go through that channel. Using this bs (whether true or not) to justify this is wrong. There's a benefit to the families of knowing his last breath will be in prison, not at home. They should have been afforded that right.
bronconick
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
If they wanted to be "compassionate", they could have treated him for cancer while in prison. Sending him home to a hero's welcome was asinine.
The people on that flight didn't get to go home and spend their last days with their families. Neither should he.
If they wanted to be "compassionate", they could have treated him for cancer while in prison. Sending him home to a hero's welcome was asinine.
The people on that flight didn't get to go home and spend their last days with their families. Neither should he.
Kepler
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
To be devil's advocate, arguably the "compassion" is for his family, not him. Not saying I agree with their decision -- I think they should simply treat him in prison -- but at least it makes some sense that way.
To be devil's advocate, arguably the "compassion" is for his family, not him. Not saying I agree with their decision -- I think they should simply treat him in prison -- but at least it makes some sense that way.
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No, I don't think it does. Compassion for his family would have been letting them come to Scotland and visiting him before he dies.
No, I don't think it does. Compassion for his family would have been letting them come to Scotland and visiting him before he dies.
BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
Apparently his family even moved to Scotland or had a temporary residence there so the move by Hollyrood is quite strange. I don't think most people would have a problem with his family visiting the guy in prison. Its things like that which, imo, are the best testament to the superior values of 21st Century Western Civilization vis a vis a country like Libya.
Scotland better pray he doesn't make a miraculous recovery, because if this guy is still walking around in 2011...
Apparently his family even moved to Scotland or had a temporary residence there so the move by Hollyrood is quite strange. I don't think most people would have a problem with his family visiting the guy in prison. Its things like that which, imo, are the best testament to the superior values of 21st Century Western Civilization vis a vis a country like Libya.
Scotland better pray he doesn't make a miraculous recovery, because if this guy is still walking around in 2011...
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
Obviously I didn't know his family was allowed in Scotland. I think is more compassion than he deserved.
Obviously I didn't know his family was allowed in Scotland. I think is more compassion than he deserved.
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Ghadafi may be a resident of the Garden State. If you live in Englewood, NJ, you may want to talk to your insurance agent....
Ghadafi may be a resident of the Garden State. If you live in Englewood, NJ, you may want to talk to your insurance agent....
SPIN CONTROL
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
You gotta love Peter King.
Peter King, the New York congressman likely to challenge Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in 2010, is blasting the Obama administration's decision to investigate Bush-era CIA interrogations.
"It's bullsh*t. It's disgraceful. You wonder which side they're on," the Long Island Republican told Politico Tuesday.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/25/republican-calls-holder-decision-bullst/
You gotta love Peter King.
Peter King, the New York congressman likely to challenge Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in 2010, is blasting the Obama administration's decision to investigate Bush-era CIA interrogations.
"It's bullsh*t. It's disgraceful. You wonder which side they're on," the Long Island Republican told Politico Tuesday.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/25/republican-calls-holder-decision-bullst/
BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
Absurd. We're a government of laws, not men. You don't get to jettison legal requirements because you feel like it. Spare me the ticking time bomb rationale. That "scenario" besides being a fanciful creation of Hollywood is riddled with holes.
I assume King would be singing a different tune if this was the UK torturing IRA operatives. But hes always been a hypocrite of the worst order in that regard.
Absurd. We're a government of laws, not men. You don't get to jettison legal requirements because you feel like it. Spare me the ticking time bomb rationale. That "scenario" besides being a fanciful creation of Hollywood is riddled with holes.
I assume King would be singing a different tune if this was the UK torturing IRA operatives. But hes always been a hypocrite of the worst order in that regard.
SPIN CONTROL
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation
I would say the early morning hours of 9/11/01 was a ticking time bomb and not some "fanciful creation of Hollywood".
I would say the early morning hours of 9/11/01 was a ticking time bomb and not some "fanciful creation of Hollywood".
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