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Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

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This one's for the victims of Pan Am 103.

Saw a comment about how if Bush II had gotten rid of OBL, that guy in Yemen and Khaddafi in 6 months time Republicans would be calling for his likeness atop Mt Rushmore.
 
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This one's for the victims of Pan Am 103.

Saw a comment about how if Bush II had gotten rid of OBL, that guy in Yemen and Khaddafi in 6 months time Republicans would be calling for his likeness atop Mt Rushmore.
To be fair, the Republican base would love to put Obama up on a mountain, too...

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To be fair, the Republican base would love to put Obama up on a mountain, too...

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Nice, get carried away much? Hey is that Sen.Byrd I see on that horse?
 
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Another greasy sewer rat bites the dust. Rover's right, this IS for the victims of Pan Am 103. As I watched the video of his body (or near body) being horsed around in that pickup, with dudes posing for pictures, all I could think of was "Weekend at Bernie's." Mark Steyn called him a "pock marked old drag queen," works for me.

Take a bow, Mr. President.
 
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A fitting send off.


"The mere sight of Dubya prompts outrage for most of us. I've had several conversations about the moral implications of rooting for the Rangers, specifically, for that charming, wizened gentleman known around certain Twitter circles as "Uncle Ron." And from a narrative standpoint, there's really nothing richer than Bush cheering on the Rangers a week after his signature foreign policy blunder has finally been put to bed. His face, like Nixon's, should probably be shamefully totemic.

Yet subjected to repeated shots of Bush, interpolating them into the game as I would any other recognizable face in a baseball stadum, I rarely think "arch-fiend doodler" or even "apocalyptic klutz." He's utterly harmless, and actually, seems natural in a way he never did while attempting to run the country. But the Bush reax shots—and our reax to them—are not just a question of relief. This is George W. Bush's element. He's no different from any number of Texas oil brats who went off and had themselves an adventure, one that involved sizable failures but never a crisis of confidence.

As undeserved as it might seem to the 66 percent of the world that loathes him, the man just wants to get on with his life, legacy be damned. For Bush, that means attending the World Series, not endlessly revisiting the battles of his presidency. Like us, he seems glad the whole thing is over.

The injustice we might feel seeing Bush have a nice time at the game days after his war finally closes on Broadway offends far less than the dissonance of his time in office. At least he's had the decency to step away. Or was he ever really there to begin with? Maybe sports, not statesmanship, was always his primary frame of reference, with Bush conceiving of himself as part Tom Hanks, part Roger Staubach. Realistically, he was always a cheerleader at heart. He shows up, eschews the luxury boxes, and enjoys himself. That's more than we can say for Zooey Deschanel.

Somehow, George W. Bush is a straw man, one of many rich and powerful folks at sporting events with shit on their hands. Clueless destroyer that he was, he remains a jovial, well-meaning fan, with no armies waiting his command once the game winds down."
 
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"The mere sight of Dubya prompts outrage for most of us. I've had several conversations about the moral implications of rooting for the Rangers, specifically, for that charming, wizened gentleman known around certain Twitter circles as "Uncle Ron." And from a narrative standpoint, there's really nothing richer than Bush cheering on the Rangers a week after his signature foreign policy blunder has finally been put to bed. His face, like Nixon's, should probably be shamefully totemic.

Of course, the irony of all this Bush bashing is that Obama did nothing more than follow the withdrawal schedule set up by GW Bush down the to day... after promising, during his campaign, to cancel it and bring home all the troops immediately. Not that Bush's was a bad plan, and it's good of Obama to recognize that once his promises were forgotten, but it might as well have been Dick Cheney in office for all the difference he made on Iraq policy.

In fact, I think I remember hearing that Obama was trying to set up an agreement to keep a training force there for an even longer time, but got turned down. My bro-in-law, MP trainer, has some stories of waste and misery from his tours. High time we ended our involvement.
 
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Of course, the irony of all this Bush bashing is that Obama did nothing more than follow the withdrawal schedule set up by GW Bush down the to day... after promising, during his campaign, to cancel it and bring home all the troops immediately. Not that Bush's was a bad plan, and it's good of Obama to recognize that once his promises were forgotten, but it might as well have been Dick Cheney in office for all the difference he made on Iraq policy.

And yet it's kinda difficult to find a Republican who sees this as anything but a major defeat for Obama and a big win for Iran....
 
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And yet it's kinda difficult to find a Republican who sees this as anything but a major defeat for Obama and a big win for Iran....

that's just sad. Obama is right when he says the congress is "increasingly dysfunctional".
 
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Of course, the irony of all this Bush bashing is that Obama did nothing more than follow the withdrawal schedule set up by GW Bush down the to day... after promising, during his campaign, to cancel it and bring home all the troops immediately.

I may be wrong...but would need to be proven so but...

I am quite sure Bush had no timeline for withdrawl...saying only, we will leave 'when the time is right'...until Obama went over to Iraq, came up with a withdrawl plan and got Iraqi agreement. Then...and only then...did W have a withdrawl plan which mysteriously matched Obama's.
 
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I may be wrong...but would need to be proven so but...

I am quite sure Bush had no timeline for withdrawl...saying only, we will leave 'when the time is right'...until Obama went over to Iraq, came up with a withdrawl plan and got Iraqi agreement. Then...and only then...did W have a withdrawl plan which mysteriously matched Obama's.
Bush vetoed any pull out plan up until one in 2008, if you remember that shoe incident, and iirc there was something about adding in conditions or ability to change it later that was involved. It's no surprise that the pull out would occur years after he would no longer be president. At that point it no longer would connect back to him.
 
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Bush negotiated the 2011 timeline. It may have just been a play for time, because his own administration was always trumpeting the idea that having a fixed withdrawal date meant the Hun would overrun the country 12 minutes after we left, but the credit for the negotiation does go to him.

The main thing here is the guys will be out and thank heaven for that. If whoever is president in 2013 can manage the withdrawal from Afghanistan he (or she) will have done the country, especially our military, another huge favor.

Whatever one's view on this particular war, having such an overtly politically partisan war must strike everybody as a tragedy. War, like sex, should be preceded by an AND gate.
 
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The main thing here is the guys will be out and thank heaven for that.

**** straight! My nephew's unit got sent to Iraq at the beginning of September. What was originally told to be a year long deployment back about 8 months ago, was chopped down to "less than 9 months" when he left, and now only ~4 months.
 
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What people are missing is the total withdrawal of troops. Up until now, and even going back to the Bush admin, the idea was to keep 50,000 US troops in the country (obstensibly in a non combat role). Fortunately (or maybe by design) the unwillingness of the Iraqi govt to grant immunity to US troops gave Obama the perfect reason for ditching this unneccesary extension of US involvement in a country we've spent 1 trillion dollars in and lost about 5000 lives with zilch to show for it. Why do I give Obama credit for this? Because of the dumb @ $$ whining coming out of the mouths of McCain and Romney, who apparently want us to commit even longer to that place.
 
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Kep: I can't imagine pulling out of Afghanistan anytime soon. The country is unsaveable and nothing we do will ever change that, but we gave up our Saudi bases when we invaded Iraq. The closest bases we'll have to the region will now be Afghanistan. Give that up and the closest thing we have is probably Diego Garcia. Pretty hard to intimidate Iran at that point.
 
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Bush negotiated the 2011 timeline. It may have just been a play for time, because his own administration was always trumpeting the idea that having a fixed withdrawal date meant the Hun would overrun the country 12 minutes after we left, but the credit for the negotiation does go to him.

The main thing here is the guys will be out and thank heaven for that. If whoever is president in 2013 can manage the withdrawal from Afghanistan he (or she) will have done the country, especially our military, another huge favor.

Whatever one's view on this particular war, having such an overtly politically partisan war must strike everybody as a tragedy. War, like sex, should be preceded by an AND gate.
But who will be the new boogie man?
 
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Actually, they already are. You do recall that business of overrunning the US embassy in Tehran and holding diplomats hostage for about a year, don't you? It was in all the papers.
 
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But who will be the new boogie man?
Muslims still exist.

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