Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

[leswp1]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

And why do you suppose people are spending beyond their means? Sure, avarice does play a role. Perhaps also what I would call the "Scrooge effect", where you are chastised for miserly sitting upon your wealth. Look to the Federal Reserve for their comment, however, because they have used this as their justification for intentionally inflating the dollar, even during recessions, thereby creating two of the worst instances of stagflation in history.

It doesn't help that your cat can get a credit card. When I was in college and into my late 20s in order to get a credit card you had to fill out an application, show you had means to pay and they made you wait to get the card until they made sure you were a good risk. To get a loan you had to show a good credit history including not having too much debt. Creating economy by allowing tpeople to borrow on their expectations to enormous debt isn't really an answer

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

It doesn't help that your cat can get a credit card. When I was in college and into my late 20s in order to get a credit card you had to fill out an application, show you had means to pay and they made you wait to get the card until they made sure you were a good risk. To get a loan you had to show a good credit history including not having too much debt. Creating economy by allowing tpeople to borrow on their expectations to enormous debt isn't really an answer

Oh, and then you can't get a credit card unless you have recent credit. So in order to borrow money, you must have borrowed money. And then there's the "secured credit card", where you pay your credit line up front to borrow money. You might as well just buy what you want to buy outright at that point.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

The Trumpies at work all dismiss the march as being intolerant and hateful, "negative," and "violent." The contrast between what they are fed on Fox and what actually happened is, well, quite predictable.

You cannot reach people who wish to be deluded.

The best thing about the march for me was it really drove home how we are not alone. There are millions of people who know exactly what is going on and are fighting it. Back at our jobs we do what we can with the Breitbart slaves, but it is so tiring and depressing to be surrounded by unrelenting dementia and ignorance, at times outright nastiness, all too often bitterness and barely controlled anger.

It was nice to spend a day with family -- kind people demonstrating for a just cause.

I know we are supposed to not let toxic people live rent-free in our heads, but it is very hard when they are in your face every day.

 

[joecct]

The Trumpies at work all dismiss the march as being intolerant and hateful, "negative," and "violent." The contrast between what they are fed on Fox and what actually happened is, well, quite predictable.

You cannot reach people who wish to be deluded.

The best thing about the march for me was it really drove home how we are not alone. There are millions of people who know exactly what is going on and are fighting it. Back at our jobs we do what we can with the Breitbart slaves, but it is so tiring and depressing to be surrounded by unrelenting dementia and ignorance, at times outright nastiness, all too often bitterness and barely controlled anger.

It was nice to spend a day with family -- kind people demonstrating for a just cause.

I know we are supposed to not let toxic people live rent-free in our heads, but it is very hard when they are in your face every day.

There's another March on Friday which will be ignored by the deluded, toxic people, too.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

We've been indoctrinated that we must be spenders and get stuff. Stuff like "keep up with the Jones'" and making people feel that they need stuff and whatnot.

IMO this correlates highly with wisdom. Many people just seem to understand, either from experience or simply because they have a kind of quiet, personal wisdom, the hedonic treadmill. It's not something you're taught, it's something you observe both in others and in society as a whole.

One reason I shut off all commercials, always, is that I am convinced materialism is genuinely toxic. Advertising is poison and its elimination is paradise. Our society is obviously severely f-cked up, because it is run for the benefit of people who turn the vast majority of their fellow human beings into caged rats pressing feeder bars. Marketing is the science of making people unhappy so they will buy your brand of happiness. It's moral enslavement. In a healthy society it would be denigrated as, at the very most, a necessity like sewage treatment -- it keeps the economy going but it's gross. In our society everything is built around hypnotizing people into spending their lives spending, and eroding and diminishing all voices that runs contrary to that.

OK, granted, consumerism is a tax on the stupid: by the time smart people are 16 they know the trap and avoid it, and in doing so have far more fulfilling lives than the majority who are, unwittingly or even intentionally, herded from work to the stores and back again. And if there's a lesson to be taken from this election it's that people who don't want to be saved shouldn't be saved -- it's not what they want, and it wastes energy in a world where good deeds are a scarcity. So to some extent, it's their pig sty and they can go roll around in it.

But until we get FTL they can cause us a lot of trouble.

 

[alfablue]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

IMO this correlates highly with wisdom. Many people just seem to understand, either from experience or simply because they have a kind of quiet, personal wisdom, the hedonic treadmill. It's not something you're taught, it's something you observe both in others and in society as a whole.

One reason I shut off all commercials, always, is that I am convinced materialism is genuinely toxic. Advertising is poison and its elimination is paradise. Our society is obviously severely f-cked up, because it is run for the benefit of people who turn the vast majority of their fellow human beings into caged rats pressing feeder bars. Marketing is the science of making people unhappy so they will buy your brand of happiness. It's moral enslavement. In a healthy society it would be denigrated as, at the very most, a necessity like sewage treatment -- it keeps the economy going but it's gross. In our society everything is built around hypnotizing people into spending their lives spending, and eroding and diminishing all voices that runs contrary to that.

OK, granted, consumerism is a tax on the stupid: by the time smart people are 16 they know the trap and avoid it, and in doing so have far more fulfilling lives than the majority who are, unwittingly or even intentionally, herded from work to the stores and back again. And if there's a lesson to be taken from this election it's that people who don't want to be saved shouldn't be saved -- it's not what they want, and it wastes energy in a world where good deeds are a scarcity. So to some extent, it's their pig sty and they can go roll around in it.

But until we get FTL they can cause us a lot of trouble.

One interesting thing we see a lot on modern TV are reality shows that are all about living with less. Many survival shows, many shows about people who live in the middle of nowhere and very off the grid, many shows about people just living their basic lives as happy as can be. Shows about living in the smallest space you can, using as little as you need to.

Not sure if there's a real shift to all of that, but it is interesting.

I've sent notes to the makers of the tiny house shows that they can easily and quickly change their focus to small homes- as there are MILLIONS of 1000ft^2 homes (+- 200ft) out there. Get away from the McMansions, and get to living in a space that you just need. I'm relieved that I never went down that path.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

The Trumpies at work all dismiss the march as being intolerant and hateful, "negative," and "violent." The contrast between what they are fed on Fox and what actually happened is, well, quite predictable.

You cannot reach people who wish to be deluded.

The best thing about the march for me was it really drove home how we are not alone. There are millions of people who know exactly what is going on and are fighting it. Back at our jobs we do what we can with the Breitbart slaves, but it is so tiring and depressing to be surrounded by unrelenting dementia and ignorance, at times outright nastiness, all too often bitterness and barely controlled anger.

It was nice to spend a day with family -- kind people demonstrating for a just cause.

I know we are supposed to not let toxic people live rent-free in our heads, but it is very hard when they are in your face every day.

Same here. Where I was I think I heard the Prez name maybe 3 times in 5 hours. It was all about reaffirming what is important

The vitriol that is acceptable grinds my gears. Where I live (red pocket in blue state) people are applauding the election and cannot give a coherent explanation of anything other than we will be great again. The reaction if you try ask a question about how because something seems illogical is really scary. Accusations about lack of patriotism, all sorts of name calling. I admit I felt intimidated and threatened to speak up. In the local paper website people comparing Mrs Obama to a baboon, a linebacker and saying the new First Lady is a return to elegance? It makes me ill.

On my FB page- people I thought I knew saying to march was a disgrace to my ovaries?

(I know people who voted for Trump because H scared them more. I may not always agree with their reasoning but I respect they actually thought about it)

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

IMO this correlates highly with wisdom. Many people just seem to understand, either from experience or simply because they have a kind of quiet, personal wisdom, the hedonic treadmill. It's not something you're taught, it's something you observe both in others and in society as a whole.

One reason I shut off all commercials, always, is that I am convinced materialism is genuinely toxic. Advertising is poison and its elimination is paradise. Our society is obviously severely f-cked up, because it is run for the benefit of people who turn the vast majority of their fellow human beings into caged rats pressing feeder bars. Marketing is the science of making people unhappy so they will buy your brand of happiness. It's moral enslavement. In a healthy society it would be denigrated as, at the very most, a necessity like sewage treatment -- it keeps the economy going but it's gross. In our society everything is built around hypnotizing people into spending their lives spending, and eroding and diminishing all voices that runs contrary to that.

OK, granted, consumerism is a tax on the stupid: by the time smart people are 16 they know the trap and avoid it, and in doing so have far more fulfilling lives than the majority who are, unwittingly or even intentionally, herded from work to the stores and back again. And if there's a lesson to be taken from this election it's that people who don't want to be saved shouldn't be saved -- it's not what they want, and it wastes energy in a world where good deeds are a scarcity. So to some extent, it's their pig sty and they can go roll around in it.

But until we get FTL they can cause us a lot of trouble.

So if spending doesn't get your "hedonic treadmill" going, then it must be intellectual smugness?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

The vitriol that is acceptable grinds my gears. Where I live (red pocket in blue state) people are applauding the election and cannot give a coherent explanation of anything other than we will be great again. The reaction if you try ask a question about how because something seems illogical is really scary. Accusations about lack of patriotism, all sorts of name calling. I admit I felt intimidated and threatened to speak up. In the local paper website people comparing Mrs Obama to a baboon, a linebacker and saying the new First Lady is a return to elegance? It makes me ill.

I read the op-ed section of the local Port Charlotte, FL rag when I was down there visiting family last month, and it was the exact same, thought-terminating crap.

The shallowest form of patriotism is always wrapping oneself in the flag, and accusing others of being unpatriotic for criticizing the politics of our leaders, or other citizens.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

The Trumpies at work all dismiss the march as being intolerant and hateful, "negative," and "violent." The contrast between what they are fed on Fox and what actually happened is, well, quite predictable.

You cannot reach people who wish to be deluded.

The best thing about the march for me was it really drove home how we are not alone. There are millions of people who know exactly what is going on and are fighting it. Back at our jobs we do what we can with the Breitbart slaves, but it is so tiring and depressing to be surrounded by unrelenting dementia and ignorance, at times outright nastiness, all too often bitterness and barely controlled anger.

It was nice to spend a day with family -- kind people demonstrating for a just cause.

I know we are supposed to not let toxic people live rent-free in our heads, but it is very hard when they are in your face every day.

Assaulting women and setting their hair on fire because they don't agree with the narrative isn't exactly what I'd call peaceful.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Assaulting women and setting their hair on fire because they don't agree with the narrative isn't exactly what I'd call peaceful.

When one person acts like a d-bag, that means they all are. We know how this goes - keep pretzeling until the story fits your narrative.

Tell us, FraudDUDE - when will Trump order Hillary's arrest?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

When one person acts like a d-bag, that means they all are. We know how this goes - keep pretzeling until the story fits your narrative.

Tell us, FraudDUDE - when will Trump order Hillary's arrest?

Ask Jeff Sessions.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

When one person acts like a d-bag, that means they all are. We know how this goes - keep pretzeling until the story fits your narrative.

Tell us, FraudDUDE - when will Trump order Hillary's arrest?

Right after Obama declares martial law...

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Ask Jeff Sessions.

Many of your ilk were feverishly masturbating to the thought that Trump would point to her as soon as he was sworn in, and have her hauled off to Guantanamo as his first act. I'm not buying that you weren't one of them.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Right after Obama declares martial law...

Or takes everyone's guns!!!!1!1!!

Anyone else wondering if the gun manufacturers are panicking yet. They sold a boatload of guns pushing the nonsense about Obama and guns. Now there is no marketing leverage by inciting panic what happens to their business?

 

[leswp1]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Right after Obama declares martial law...

Is this the part where we play Alt facts for 1000$ Alex? There are some really funny memes about that

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Or takes everyone's guns!!!!1!1!!

Anyone else wondering if the gun manufacturers are panicking yet. They sold a boatload of guns pushing the nonsense about Obama and guns. Now there is no marketing leverage by inciting panic what happens to their business?

Nope. They're marketing leverage now is that minorities have started arming themselves. It's been happening for a few months now, starting with the Trump fervor back in September from the convention, and they're still buying. The thing is, though, their contributions to gun sales will be miniscule compared to the they're-taking-our-guns crowd because minorities are only purchasing one or two guns while the ttog crowd often --not always-- have safes full of weapons.

That said, so long as people are responsible owners of their weapons, let them own as many as they want.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Many of your ilk were feverishly masturbating to the thought that Trump would point to her as soon as he was sworn in, and have her hauled off to Guantanamo as his first act. I'm not buying that you weren't one of them.

Anyone who knows anything about how the government works knows it's the Attorney General's job to prosecute.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Nope. They're marketing leverage now is that minorities have started arming themselves. It's been happening for a few months now, starting with the Trump fervor back in September from the convention, and they're still buying. The thing is, though, their contributions to gun sales will be miniscule compared to the they're-taking-our-guns crowd because minorities are only purchasing one or two guns while the ttog crowd often --not always-- have safes full of weapons.

That said, so long as people are responsible owners of their weapons, let them own as many as they want.

Well, once they build walls then how will they market? Gotta give it to them for creativity but it is a sad statement so many sheeple exist.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

Well, once they build walls then how will they market? Gotta give it to them for creativity but it is a sad statement so many sheeple exist.

Walls aren't a good thing. Sure they're good at keeping people out, but they're also good at keeping people in.