Game of Thrones Season 6: Lions and Wolves and Sand Snakes, oh my!

[bigblue_dl]

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Olenna and her daughter are kinda secondary characters. I think when Dany attacked the Lannisters and Jamie/Bronn got away that was pretty ridiculous, those are two beloved characters that are pretty major and while it would suck if either of them went it'd at least keep you guessing. Right now it just seems like there's rarely ever consequences for ill thought out planning or actions. Dany did lose one dragon but this was two episodes after one got hit by the big crossbow/scorpion and survived even after her foolish risk taking. This isn't even getting into how dumb Jon Snow is and the fact that there's never any consequences for his actions (from what I understand the book is a bit different in this regard and stays consistent with there being consequences).

You mean Olenna's granddaughter? She died in episode 10 last season, not this season.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Olenna and her daughter are kinda secondary characters. I think when Dany attacked the Lannisters and Jamie/Bronn got away that was pretty ridiculous, those are two beloved characters that are pretty major and while it would suck if either of them went it'd at least keep you guessing. Right now it just seems like there's rarely ever consequences for ill thought out planning or actions. Dany did lose one dragon but this was two episodes after one got hit by the big crossbow/scorpion and survived even after her foolish risk taking. This isn't even getting into how dumb Jon Snow is and the fact that there's never any consequences for his actions (from what I understand the book is a bit different in this regard and stays consistent with there being consequences).

And just like in real life, there aren't always consequences for monumentally stupid decisions.

 

[trixR4kids]

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You mean Olenna's granddaughter? She died in episode 10 last season, not this season.

Yeah I wasn't implying that both were this season. Those are two of the biggest deaths besides the Dorn women in recent times that I can think of.

And just like in real life, there aren't always consequences for monumentally stupid decisions.

True but from what I understand the book (and definitely the earlier seasons of this show) is a bit more consistent in that regard and there weren't as many fantasy elements as recently. Specifically in regards to Jon Snow too.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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True but from what I understand the book (and definitely the earlier seasons of this show) is a bit more consistent in that regard and there weren't as many fantasy elements as recently. Specifically in regards to Jon Snow too.

I think, with some characters, like Jon Snow, we have to consider the supernatural elements. We know that the Lord of Light is some kind of force in this world. We know that he can bring people back, and keep people alive that he wants to use for his "plan", whatever that might be. I fully expect that Jon would have died last episode, if it wasn't for the Lord of Light keeping him alive in some way.

 

[Kepler]

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I think, with some characters, like Jon Snow, we have to consider the supernatural elements. We know that the Lord of Light is some kind of force in this world. We know that he can bring people back, and keep people alive that he wants to use for his "plan", whatever that might be. I fully expect that Jon would have died last episode, if it wasn't for the Lord of Light keeping him alive in some way.

It's the power of his Insufferable Dweebishness. The Lord of Light doesn't want that hanging around heaven, mooning and glowering and being a puss, and Ygritte sure as sh-t doesn't want him wingeing around Wildling Asgard.

 

[St. Clown]

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Yeah I wasn't implying that both were this season. Those are two of the biggest deaths besides the Dorn women in recent times that I can think of.


True but from what I understand the book (and definitely the earlier seasons of this show) is a bit more consistent in that regard and there weren't as many fantasy elements as recently. Specifically in regards to Jon Snow too.

Actually, the show omitted Lady Stoneheart, which was a wise decision, IMO. The character was Caitlyn Stark reanimated as a being of revenge. I stopped reading the books shortly after she was introduced because it felt like more unnecessary filler added by GRRM.

ETA: I should add that Lady Stoneheart was introduced into the books very shortly after the Red Wedding, where Caitlyn's body was fished from the river just outside the Frey's lands.

 

[bronconick]

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And that was where GRRM lost his mojo.

 

[Kepler]

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Actually, the show omitted Lady Stoneheart, which was a wise decision, IMO. The character was Caitlyn Stark reanimated as a being of revenge. I stopped reading the books shortly after she was introduced because it felt like more unnecessary filler added by GRRM.

ETA: I should add that Lady Stoneheart was introduced into the books very shortly after the Red Wedding, where Caitlyn's body was fished from the river just outside the Frey's lands.

Ugh. I'm glad we were spared that. Caitlyn Stark existed for two purposes. 1) to get killed at the Red Wedding and prove anybody can die, and 2) to be a cautionary tale for Sansa, who seems too dim to have gotten the message because, of course, she's another Utterly Useless Stark.

 

[Kepler]

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And that was where GRRM lost his mojo.

How far in had he written when the books exploded? Some writers turn to sh-t when they become famous. Yes, I'm looking at you. And you. And oh god you.

 

[bronconick]

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Ugh. I'm glad we were spared that. Caitlyn Stark existed for two purposes. 1) to get killed at the Red Wedding and prove anybody can die, and 2) to be a cautionary tale for Sansa, who seems too dim to have gotten the message because, of course, she's another Utterly Useless Stark.

All this has taught is that the Starks in particular and the north in general should never, ever, ever go south because these 20 years has made me wonder how they managed to rule the North for thousands of years without tripping.

 

[Kepler]

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All this has taught is that the Starks in particular and the north in general should never, ever, ever go south because these 20 years has made me wonder how they managed to rule the North for thousands of years without tripping.

20 years? Seems like it's been about 5. Is it really supposed to be 20 because Arya still looks about 15. Also, have the Starks really been in power for "thousands" of years? I got the feeling that even the magisters' records only go back a few hundred years, and that all the dynastic houses are only a few hundred years old.

Fun fact: the longest western dynasty, the Capets, lasted only 800 years and that's only if you include their cadet branches. The Capets themselves lasted only about 350.

 

[bronconick]

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20 years? Seems like it's been about 5. Is it really supposed to be 20 because Arya still looks about 15. Also, have the Starks really been in power for "thousands" of years? I got the feeling that even the magisters' records only go back a few hundred years, and that all the dynasties are only a few hundred years old.

Ever since Ned's father and brother went to King's Landing and got roasted by Aerys, setting up Robert's Rebellion

 

[Kepler]

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Ever since Ned's father and brother went to King's Landing and got roasted by Aerys, setting up Robert's Rebellion

Got it.

 

[St. Clown]

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20 years? Seems like it's been about 5. Is it really supposed to be 20 because Arya still looks about 15. Also, have the Starks really been in power for "thousands" of years? I got the feeling that even the magisters' records only go back a few hundred years, and that all the dynastic houses are only a few hundred years old.

Fun fact: the longest western dynasty, the Capets, lasted only 800 years and that's only if you include their cadet branches. The Capets themselves lasted only about 350.

You'd have to look at the Stark's tomb to know how far back their line goes. The earliest statues were marked as a long line of kings, and then as lords once they bent the knee to the Targaryans some 300 years prior to the books' starting point.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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You'd have to look at the Stark's tomb to know how far back their line goes. The earliest statues were marked as a long line of kings, and then as lords once they bent the knee to the Targaryans some 300 years prior to the books' starting point.

The beginning of the Stark line was Brandon the Builder, and he built The Wall. So, they go back to the end of the Long Night, which is about 3000 years ago, if my memory serves.

 

[trixR4kids]

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I think, with some characters, like Jon Snow, we have to consider the supernatural elements. We know that the Lord of Light is some kind of force in this world. We know that he can bring people back, and keep people alive that he wants to use for his "plan", whatever that might be. I fully expect that Jon would have died last episode, if it wasn't for the Lord of Light keeping him alive in some way.

True, guessing that guy who shows up out of nowhere and sacrifices himself to save Jon has some relation to the lord of light but still, kinda beside the point here.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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True, guessing that guy who shows up out of nowhere and sacrifices himself to save Jon has some relation to the lord of light but still, kinda beside the point here.

The guy that showed up and saved Jon was Benjen Stark, his uncle. The same guy that saved Bran and Meera from the white walkers after Hodor died. Also known as Coldhands, in book terms.

 

[Kepler]

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The same guy that saved Bran

"That's the dog that saved Charleston from the 1938 flood*."

"Well f-ck him."

* True story: the 1936 Johnstown flood (on which this is based) destroyed my Mom's house (she was 10) and drowned her cat.

The dog was actually from the far more devastating 1889 flood.

 

[trixR4kids]

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The guy that showed up and saved Jon was Benjen Stark, his uncle. The same guy that saved Bran and Meera from the white walkers after Hodor died. Also known as Coldhands, in book terms.

Gotcha, I knew I recognized him but it's been a couple years since I watched the old episodes and what not and forgot what he did. Thanks for the info. I assume that guy has some relation to the lord of light.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Gotcha, I knew I recognized him but it's been a couple years since I watched the old episodes and what not and forgot what he did. Thanks for the info. I assume that guy has some relation to the lord of light.

I doubt he has any direct connection to the Lord of Light. As a Stark he would worship the old gods. He was captured beyond the wall by the white walkers while ranging with the Night's Watch. This all went down during season 1/book 1. The white walkers were converting him to be either a walker or a wight (I don't think it was ever clarified), but the children of the forest found him before he was completely lost, and stopped/reversed the process. But, too much time had passed, and he ended up stuck halfway between the living and the dead, which is why he couldn't pass through the wall with Bran and go back to Castle Black or Winterfell. The transition was halted quickly enough to keep him from losing his humanity and his identity, so his only option is to just stay north of the wall and help out whatever way he could. Thus, he helped Bran, and now helped Jon.