Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of letters

[ARM]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

I only know that I was trying figure out a way to use "mush for brains" in a post...

And so you thought of me? I can't say you were wrong!

I wish that the action over the next couple of weekends was a bit more spread out. Princeton at Cornell starts a couple of hours before the WCHA tourney, but with the weather forecast, I'll likely be on the road for most of it and there won't be opportunity to watch the games outside of Minneapolis. The NCAA quarters wind up pretty much the same way. You wait all season for these games, and then they're gone in a blink.

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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And so you thought of me?

You're implying that I think. I try but....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlejsgxOxrU

you were wrong!

I so often am...

I probably should thank you for not saying you would love to "meet" me at the rink.

 

[bluffrinkrat]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

I only know that I was trying figure out a way to use "mush for brains" in a post...

I'm still trying to figure out what "context" means in regard to any of the posts.

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

I'm still trying to figure out what "context" means in regard to any of the posts.

It's a rabbit hole you should avoid...

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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I'm at the BC game so I can't really run the numbers but I think Princeton losing means BC should be in as long as UM or UW wins WCHA, yes?

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

Nevermind -- I also see us out if both Colgate & BU win

 

[vicb]

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For the ECAC Teams To get into the NC$$
Clarkson in no matter what happens
Cornell is in unless BC Beats BU, they lose the ECAC Title to Colgate and Ohio State wins the WCHA
Colgate - Win the ECAC
Princeton - BC Beats BU, Clarkson or Cornell win the ECAC and Wisco or Minny win the WCHA

If Colgate beats Cornell for the ECAC Crown and Northeastern beats BC for the HE Crown and Wisco or Minny win the WCHA

3 Northeastern
4 Clarkson
5 BC
6 Cornell

So will the committee send Cornell to Northeastern and BC to Clarkson or will they save on bus travel/hotels and have Clarkson - Cornell and BC - Northeastern as the games?

If Ohio State wins the WCHA then we have Cornell out of the NC$$

3 Northeastern
4 Clarkson
5 BC
6 Ohio State

Will the committee save on bus fare and send Ohio State to Potsdam and have BC - Northeastern replay

 

[vicb]

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Tomorrows results appear to be shuffling of the 1,2 and 4, 5 and 6 seeds.

The winner of Wisco vs Minny gets the 1 seed and the loser 2.
Northeastern 3
BC and Cornell win then its
3 Northeastern
4 BC
5 Cornell
6 Clarkson
BC and Clarkson win or Northeastern and Clarkson win
3 Northeastern
4 Clarkson
5 BC
6 Cornell
Northeastern and Cornell win
3 Northeastern
4 Cornell
5 Clarkson
6 BC

7 Princeton locked into 7
8 Syracuse locked into 8

 

[Numbers]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

Tomorrows results appear to be shuffling of the 1,2 and 4, 5 and 6 seeds.

The winner of Wisco vs Minny gets the 1 seed and the loser 2.
Northeastern 3
BC and Cornell win then its
3 Northeastern
4 BC
5 Cornell
6 Clarkson
BC and Clarkson win or Northeastern and Clarkson win
3 Northeastern
4 Clarkson
5 BC
6 Cornell
Northeastern and Cornell win
3 Northeastern
4 Cornell
5 Clarkson
6 BC

7 Princeton locked into 7
8 Syracuse locked into 8

Which means Princeton and Syracuse fly to the Midwest, and the committee, if they are thinking at all, make 2 ECAC v HEA games.

Loser of Corn/Clark at Northeastern
Winner of Corn/Clark vs BC. BC at home only if they win.

That's too simple, though, so they will mess it up somehow.

 

[robertearle]

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Which means Princeton and Syracuse fly to the Midwest, and the committee, if they are thinking at all, make 2 ECAC v HEA games.

FWIW: Wisconsin played both Syracuse and Princeton in Madison this season. Syracuse in December, 6-1 and 9-1 wins; Princeton in October, a 4-3 win (that was that close) and a 3-0 win (that was 1-0 well into the 3rd period).

 

[Timothy A]

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FWIW: Wisconsin played both Syracuse and Princeton in Madison this season. Syracuse in December, 6-1 and 9-1 wins; Princeton in October, a 4-3 win (that was that close) and a 3-0 win (that was 1-0 well into the 3rd period).

Those Princeton games were nail biters. That is quite the quality 7 seed there.

 

[vicb]

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Which means Princeton and Syracuse fly to the Midwest, and the committee, if they are thinking at all, make 2 ECAC v HEA games.

..........

Syracuse gets the winner of Minny/Wisco and Princeton gets the loser.

You do not want Northeastern and Cornell to win.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Final bracketology: https://www.bcinterruption.com/bost...tournament-boston-college-wisconsin-minnesota

Trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective because I really don't want to go to Clarkson. And I really truly hate when they have a directive and they just disregard their directive. But if they were ever going to justify swapping teams for a cheaper bracket, it would be now. Cornell and BC are even tied in the Pairwise, so they could pretty much justify it however they want.

My heart wants us to go to NU but I truly hate the opacity with which this process takes place.

 

[Timothy A]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

Final bracketology: https://www.bcinterruption.com/bost...tournament-boston-college-wisconsin-minnesota

Trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective because I really don't want to go to Clarkson. And I really truly hate when they have a directive and they just disregard their directive. But if they were ever going to justify swapping teams for a cheaper bracket, it would be now. Cornell and BC are even tied in the Pairwise, so they could pretty much justify it however they want.

My heart wants us to go to NU but I truly hate the opacity with which this process takes place.

I cannot believe the length of bus trips is even in discussion.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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I cannot believe the length of bus trips is even in discussion.

You're telling me... I don't even think we'd be having this discussion if 2016 didn't happen.

 

[ChickHicks86]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

Now that we've got the NCAA tournament field, I thought it would be interesting to see if either quality win games (Top 12 for PairWise, so I did likewise) or the remaining schedule had a bigger impact on whether a team finds themselves in the tournament or not. The hosting teams largely distinguished themselves in both categories, while it seems that winning roughly 85% of the games against "unranked" teams seemed to be the ticket to being on the right side of the bubble for the remaining teams.

While not a new conclusion for any sports fan, it's interesting to see the numbers show that those midseason games against Maine or Bemidji for example can be just as important as the conference tournament games to a team on the edge of making the national tournament.

[table="width: 500, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td]PairWise[/td]
[td]Team[/td]
[td]Overall[/td]
[td]vs Top 12[/td]
[td]vs Other[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1[/td]
[td]Wisconsin[/td]
[td]32-4-2 (0.8684)[/td]
[td]11-3-2 (0.75)[/td]
[td]21-1-0 (0.9545)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2[/td]
[td]Minnesota[/td]
[td]30-5-1 (0.8472)[/td]
[td]9-5-1 (0.6333)[/td]
[td]21-0-0 (1)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3[/td]
[td]Northeastern[/td]
[td]27-5-5 (0.7972)[/td]
[td]9-4-3 (0.6562)[/td]
[td]18-1-2 (0.9047)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4[/td]
[td]Clarkson[/td]
[td]29-7-2 (0.7894)[/td]
[td]7-4-1 (0.625)[/td]
[td]22-3-1 (0.8653)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5[/td]
[td]Boston College[/td]
[td]26-11-1 (0.6973)[/td]
[td]6-8-0 (0.4285)[/td]
[td]20-3-1 (0.8541)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6[/td]
[td]Cornell[/td]
[td]23-5-6 (0.7647)[/td]
[td]4-3-1 (0.5625)[/td]
[td]19-2-5 (0.8269)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7[/td]
[td]Princeton[/td]
[td]20-7-5 (0.7031)[/td]
[td]2-5-2 (0.3333)[/td]
[td]18-2-3 (0.8478)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8[/td]
[td]Providence[/td]
[td]24-11-2 (0.6756)[/td]
[td]3-7-0 (0.3)[/td]
[td]21-4-2 (0.8148)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9[/td]
[td]Boston University[/td]
[td]21-8-8 (0.6756)[/td]
[td]4-5-2 (0.4545)[/td]
[td]17-3-6 (0.7692)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10[/td]
[td]Ohio State[/td]
[td]20-13-2 (0.6)[/td]
[td]5-8-2 (0.4)[/td]
[td]15-5-0 (0.75)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11[/td]
[td]Colgate[/td]
[td]23-10-5 (0.6710)[/td]
[td]4-6-1 (0.4090)[/td]
[td]19-4-4 (0.7777)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12[/td]
[td]Minnesota Duluth[/td]
[td]15-16-4 (0.4857)[/td]
[td]6-11-1 (0.3611)[/td]
[td]9-5-3 (0.6176)[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

 

[ChickHicks86]

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Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

Yes! Nicole Haase did some harassing to the powers that be to finally get them to correct their numbers -- they even have the eligible teams right!

I'm not sure if this changed at the same time as the PairWise, but USCHO's KRACH ratings are doing something different with the NEWHA teams too. Somehow they still get a rating, but are ranked 36-40. Comparing Grant's calculator ratings to the USCHO results in some strange changes in the rankings (Mankato +3, Maine -4, St. Cloud +4, for example).

After a little research, I see that Maine played Sacred Heart twice (2 8-0 victories, haha), so that explains their drop, but that doesn't directly explain the jump for Mankato and St. Cloud, or Ohio State's ascension to #5. Maybe Maine dropping for scheduling a NEWHA school made Maine comparatively worse, dropping all of the Hockey East schools down? I'm not going to spend much more time on it, but I'm curious if any number crunchers here have any thoughts on what USCHO is doing with the NEWHA schools / how it affects everybody else's rankings?