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Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodies

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the sad thing is if BC is successful, what does the future hold, teams that desires a national title will avoid playing anybody good having seen what BC did
 
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pokechecker said:
the sad thing is if BC is successful, what does the future hold, teams that desires a national title will avoid playing anybody good having seen what BC did
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Exactly, BC is ahead of the curve. The coaches knew in advance that Cornell, Harvard, BU and Northeastern wouldn't be playing well this season and scheduled accordingly. I heard that BC is also kicking itself for scheduling Quinnipiac, thinking Quinny would be a cake walk.
 
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PuckRush said:
I heard that BC is also kicking itself for scheduling Quinnipiac, thinking Quinny would be a cake walk.
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I'm sure the Bobcats will be in a downward spiral by then, for at least those 60 minutes.
 
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pokechecker said:
the sad thing is if BC is successful, what does the future hold, teams that desires a national title will avoid playing anybody good having seen what BC did
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This is funny given that the power WCHA teams refuse to schedule good eastern teams. They know exactly what they're doing.
 
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PuckRush said:
Exactly, BC is ahead of the curve. The coaches knew in advance that Cornell, Harvard, BU and Northeastern wouldn't be playing well this season and scheduled accordingly. I heard that BC is also kicking itself for scheduling Quinnipiac, thinking Quinny would be a cake walk.
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This.

The problem with BC's schedule this year isn't its OOC games -- it's that Hockey East is godawful.

Out of conference teams, in PWR/KRACH:

Quinnipiac -- 4/4
Harvard -- 5/5
SLU -- 11/10
Cornell -- 12/13 (and obviously climbing back up after their disastrous start)

Princeton -- 17/15 (meh)
Dartmouth -- 17/17 (meh)
Yale -- NR/21 (meh)

Would I prefer to have scheduled Clarkson and Mercyhurst over Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale? Absolutely. But the facts are:

1) All but one of our OOC games are against TUCs, and Dartmouth is fractions of a point away from being one (and was one before we dropkicked them off the TUC cliff),
2) We don't know who's going to be good 1-2 years before the season when these things often get scheduled,
3) Minnesota and Wisconsin will not play us,
4) Flying out to the midwest to play the middling WCHA teams costs a lot of money when there are comparable eastern teams we can bus to,
5) Literally the only eastern teams that are TUCs that we aren't playing this year are Clarkson, Mercyhurst, and Penn State.

Our schedule is our schedule. We're playing 7 games against the 3 best non-Minny/Wisco teams in the PWR this season (not to mention 2 against Cornell, who seems to have found its footing). The bottom of our schedule freaking blows something serious but the top of our schedule is just fine.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Clarkson sends its regards. ;)
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Oh, I thought you must not be counting them as one of your "good eastern teams," because Minnesota and Wisconsin have scheduled the Golden Knights. As is often the case, this leaves me wondering just what your point was. :p
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
This is funny given that the power WCHA teams refuse to schedule good eastern teams. They know exactly what they're doing.
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UW is playing Clarkson at the end of January, are you firing a shot across Clarkson's bow?

So how far out are these women's n/c games scheduled? I know on the men's side some are scheduled more than 3 years in advance.
 
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ARM said:
Oh, I thought you must not be counting them as one of your "good eastern teams," because Minnesota and Wisconsin have scheduled the Golden Knights. As is often the case, this leaves me wondering just what your point was. :p
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Timothy A said:
UW is playing Clarkson at the end of January, are you firing a shot across Clarkson's bow?

So how far out are these women's n/c games scheduled? I know on the men's side some are scheduled more than 3 years in advance.
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I'm not sure when they scheduled them but other than the Olympic year, Clarkson is not typically a high-end team. That year was the anomaly. They're decent this year but not a 'top team.'

They don't play Harvard. They don't play Cornell. They don't play BC. Wisconsin played BU as part of a mid-season tournament where they don't have to fly east. The teams that are traditionally high-end programs, they don't play them.

Now, having said all this -- clearly, their schedules are good, because they get to play each other. Hockey East is a dumpster fire this year (and last year, really) and the WCHA has been strong.

The point I'm trying to make here is that people don't crap on Minnesota and Wisconsin for not scheduling the top eastern teams, and it's mostly because their schedules are, frankly, strong enough without those games.

But BC gets crapped for its weak schedule (and absolutely, it's a weak schedule outside of the 7 games against the top 6, BC fans agree and we're not happy about it), but what more can BC do? We're playing the top 3 teams that are not Minnesota and Wisconsin, and virtually all of them are TUCs except Yale.

As much as we would love to and have tried to play Minnesota and Wisconsin, they will not play us, so what more can be done beyond what BC is currently doing, particularly when you can't reliably predict who is going to be good 2 years in advance?
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
They don't play Harvard. They don't play Cornell. They don't play BC. Wisconsin played BU as part of a mid-season tournament where they don't have to fly east. The teams that are traditionally high-end programs, they don't play them.
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We used to play Harvard annually; it was the Crimson that decided to end that series.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
I'm not sure when they scheduled them but other than the Olympic year, Clarkson is not typically a high-end team.
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Minnesota played Clarkson the year of Clarkson's first NCAA Tournament appearance, and then returned that trip the following year. UM played BC the year after its first NCAA Tournament, and played Harvard eight times over four years. Now it played BU and has the second half of a home-and-home with SLU. I'm not sure who we could play that one would expect to be good EVERY year. If we played Q, you'd say, "Well, they're normally not good." We only have six NC games to play with, so we can't play everyone, and if somebody winds up having a down year -- like BC did the season they came to Minnesota -- then the NC schedule looks weak. At least Minnesota hasn't made a habit of playing teams that played club the season before, other than in the pioneer days, when that's all that was around here.
 
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ARM said:
Minnesota played Clarkson the year of Clarkson's first NCAA Tournament appearance, and then returned that trip the following year. UM played BC the year after its first NCAA Tournament, and played Harvard eight times over four years. Now it played BU and has the second half of a home-and-home with SLU. I'm not sure who we could play that one would expect to be good EVERY year. If we played Q, you'd say, "Well, they're normally not good." We only have six NC games to play with, so we can't play everyone, and if somebody winds up having a down year -- like BC did the season they came to Minnesota -- then the NC schedule looks weak. At least Minnesota hasn't made a habit of playing teams that played club the season before, other than in the pioneer days, when that's all that was around here.
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All good points.

I guess my frustration is just that we want Minnesota and Wisconsin, but they won't play us, and then people rip on our schedule because we're not playing them when it's not for lack of effort.

When do we get a return trip for that trip out to Ridder anyway??
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
When do we get a return trip for that trip out to Ridder anyway??
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Those agreements are usually set when the first series is scheduled, not seven years later. I can't believe that your assistant coach wouldn't have some contacts for setting up a series if the Eagles really wanted it to happen.
 
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ARM said:
Those agreements are usually set when the first series is scheduled, not seven years later. I can't believe that your assistant coach wouldn't have some contacts for setting up a series if the Eagles really wanted it to happen.
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That comment was tongue in cheek, I know that deal wouldn't have a return trip schedule many years in the future lol.

As for setting up a series with Minnesota (and Wisconsin) -- contacts have been made and every year we are told "no."
 
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UW is playing 4 games against eastern teams this year, UM is playing 5, BC is playing no western teams. Sure, the eastern pool is a lot bigger, but I bet OSU, UMD, BSU or UND would love to play BC. At least there would be some effort shown on BC's part.

TTT20, What kind of specific info do you have that BC has reached out to UM and UW about playing them and got the cold shoulder?
 
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