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Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodies

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Re: Fun With Numbers '14-'15: USCHO Posters Poll, Pairwise What-Ifs, and Other Goodie

1) Minnesota
2) Boston College
3) Wisconsin
4) Quinnipiac
Clarkson
North Dakota
UMD
Boston University
Harvard
Cornell
 
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1. Minnesota
2. BC
3. Harvard
4. Wisconsin (putting up no fight against Minnesota and barely getting by Bemidji, warrants a bump down)
5. BU
6. Cornell
7. Quinnipiac
8. UMD
9. Clarkson
10. SLU
 
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Eeyore said:
On the question of Minnesota's depth, count me among those who think they could have three very strong lines by the end of the season. Obviously, the Brandt/Cameranesi/Menefee line is raining destruction at a rate that would make the 8th Air Force proud but there's more.

It's looking like the second line will be Schipper/Bona/Lorence. All three have scored in the past and Lorence has done so this year, too. Bona has been bounced around a lot and looked unconvincing for the first couple of weeks but she was considered a dark horse Kazmeier finalist coming into the season and looks like she's settling in. Schipper has looked really strong and the goals will come.

The third line is Pannek/Wolfe/Piazza and I've really enjoyed watching them play. Piazza is scoring and it looks like she's going to be a beast. Wolfe spent all of last season playing defense and looks like she's still adjusting back. Kelly Pannek looks like she's trying to set some sort of record for the most times almost scoring her first goal and I'm pretty sure they'll start to go in before too long.

So I feel pretty good about the forward lines. And having McMillen and Ramsey on the blueline is kind of like having an additional set of scorers.
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Yeah an interesting strategy by Frost. Usually teams sprinkle their top frosh in their top lines (see the men's team with Bristedt). But here both Pannek and Piazza are loaded on the third with a player that's been playing defense. But who am I to second guess the team's results?
 
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5mn_Major said:
But here both Pannek and Piazza are loaded on the third with a player that's been playing defense.
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Pannek has had a wide variety of players on her wings so far. In past games, she's had Bona and Lorence. Given she's playing center, she's not going to wind up with Brandt or Schipper, and Cameranesi has been on Brandt's line all year. I did think that Piazza and Wolfe showed signs of clicking with Pannek this weekend, so new doesn't equate to bad. Mark Johnson has frequently put his rookies on a line together at Wisconsin. That way, he has more control over some of the match ups that they have to face and there isn't as much pressure on them to score right away.
 
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C'mon CrankIt, really? Wisconsin's only losses this year are to Minnesota and they drop to #4? And "they put up no fight against Minnesota?" Didn't the game last Saturday go into overtime with Wisconsin hitting the post right before UM won? Look, Minnesota deserved to win both games but to say that the Badgers didn't put up a fight isn't true. Boston College had their struggles against SLU and Minnesota had theirs against UMD. Wisconsin WON both games against Bemidji in REGULATION! They outshot Bemidji by a combined total of 79 to 33 over the weekend.. A close game in the best conference in the country is going to happen sometimes.. But, like I said -- they WON the games!!
CrankIt said:
1. Minnesota
2. BC
3. Harvard
4. Wisconsin (putting up no fight against Minnesota and barely getting by Bemidji, warrants a bump down)
5. BU
6. Cornell
7. Quinnipiac
8. UMD
9. Clarkson
10. SLU
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1. Minnesota (have to be on drugs to say otherwise)
2. BC (impressive wins I don't care that Cornell hasn't played it's not like they are Brown)
3. Wisconsin (Strong defensive team that is still a little shaken from Minnesota)
4. Harvard (no reason to change their standing)
5. Quinnipiac (Record is impressive but have to yet face a tough challenge can move them up in my opinion)
6. Mercyhurst (still a good team an you know this team will be still here towards the end of the season)
7. BU (no reason they belong though)
8. Cornell (first games against a good team are always rough)
9. Clarkson (I got no one else to throw in)
10. St. Lawrence (I hurt BSU earlier this year when I choose to put them here. I hope you don't have a similar outcome.)
 
rangersrule said:
C'mon CrankIt, really? ....A close game in the best conference in the country is going to happen sometimes.. But, like I said -- they WON the games!!
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Considerable doubt exists to say the least that the WCHA will be the best conference in the country this season.

Beyond Minn and Wisco, there is no consensus yet that any other teams in the conference even belong in the Top 10 given their performances vs unranked eastern teams. Though still early, 4 ECAC teams are ranked, and some posters polled suggest as many as 6 have a shot at Top 10 rankings.
 
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rangersrule said:
C'mon CrankIt, really? Wisconsin's only losses this year are to Minnesota and they drop to #4? And "they put up no fight against Minnesota?" Didn't the game last Saturday go into overtime with Wisconsin hitting the post right before UM won? Look, Minnesota deserved to win both games but to say that the Badgers didn't put up a fight isn't true. Boston College had their struggles against SLU and Minnesota had theirs against UMD. Wisconsin WON both games against Bemidji in REGULATION! They outshot Bemidji by a combined total of 79 to 33 over the weekend.. A close game in the best conference in the country is going to happen sometimes.. But, like I said -- they WON the games!!
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I have to agree with rangersrule for all the reasons he/she gives. I was thinking along the same lines, and have been going back and forth in my own mind as to whether a team should be moved down in the rankings despite sweeping a pretty good BSU team - which was on the rankings bubble until very recently - on the road. Yes, BC's wins this weekend were more impressive than Wisconsin's, coming over what's supposed to be a better team than Bemidji, and by very convincing margins at that. Then again, Cornell was playing their first games of the season - on the road - while BC already had four games plus an exhibition under their belt. So BC definitely had the advantage playing them (at home) when they did, so that's something to take into account as well.

All things considered, I think which one deserves to be ranked No. 2 at this juncture is a tough call.
 
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CrankIt said:
4. Wisconsin (putting up no fight against Minnesota and barely getting by Bemidji, warrants a bump down)
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Yeah, losing 2-1 on OT with an even amount of shots Saturday isn't much of a fight...and UW hits the post in OT before the rodents score, so yeah, UW barely put up a fight. Bemiji was ranked a few weeks ago....a sweep is a sweep. UW outshot them 31-15 Friday and 46-18 Saturday, I guess they DID barely get by them.

At this point I'd say UW hold on 2nd is slipping, but I need to see more out of Cornell to judge the BC games. If Cornell really warranted the top 5 ranking, they should have done more against BC in at least one of those games.
 
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Trillium said:
Though still early, 4 ECAC teams are ranked, and some posters polled suggest as many as 6 have a shot at Top 10 rankings.
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I agree that because it is so early, we can find a ranking that shows just about anything that we want. For example, half of Rutter's top 12 is from the WCHA:
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 	Team	Rating	RPI.Rank	RPI
1	Minnesota	 2.6653	 1	0.7317
2	Wisconsin	 2.1518	 2	0.6801
3	Boston College	 1.5272	 3	0.6783
4	Ohio State	 1.1846	 5	0.6123
5	Quinnipiac	 1.0136	 4	0.6478
6	Boston University	 0.8413	 7	0.5884
7	Harvard	 0.8323	34	0.0000
8	Minnesota Duluth	 0.7681	 8	0.5457
9	St. Lawrence	 0.7284	14	0.5243
10	North Dakota	 0.5780	13	0.5279
11	Clarkson	 0.5660	10	0.5376
12	Bemidji State	 0.5273	12	0.5285
 
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rangersrule said:
C'mon CrankIt, really? Wisconsin's only losses this year are to Minnesota and they drop to #4? And "they put up no fight against Minnesota?" Didn't the game last Saturday go into overtime with Wisconsin hitting the post right before UM won? Look, Minnesota deserved to win both games but to say that the Badgers didn't put up a fight isn't true. Boston College had their struggles against SLU and Minnesota had theirs against UMD. Wisconsin WON both games against Bemidji in REGULATION! They outshot Bemidji by a combined total of 79 to 33 over the weekend.. A close game in the best conference in the country is going to happen sometimes.. But, like I said -- they WON the games!!
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Oh wow. Didn't realize the polls we made here had an effect on the seedings for the national tournament. You're acting like I dropped them completely out of the poll! Wisconsin has been very underwhelming the last couple of weeks. The reasons I bump them down (lack of scoring, production, under performing, etc.) are the exact reasons most of you choose to leave teams like UMD, UND, SLU out of the polls completely. I'm not giving Wisconsin a pass just because it's Wisconsin. If a team like UMD had a pair of one goal wins against a team like Bemdiji, everyone would be talking about how they "don't belong in the Top 10" or how their performance is "underwhelming." Wisconsin is a much better team and should be performing as such.
 
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I don't think the Wisconsin vs BC debate is interesting compared to some other questions. So put them in either order, because there's no way to figure out the right answer today.

The juicy stuff is in 5-10, or 5-12 for that matter.

ECAC: St Lawrence vs Clarkson tomorrow, St Lawrence vs Yale on Friday, and Cornell vs Quinny on Saturday will cement or shake up these polls some more. SLU wins their games and they are in top 10. What if Clarkson wins? What if Clarkson loses? Is Yale going to be a contender? So many other possibilities - just know that the mess continues whatever happens.

HE: Northeastern at Boston U tomorrow. Must watch hockey. What happens in polls if NE beats BU???? Does BU fall out? Wow. Two teams with high expectations facing issues.

CHA: Mercyhurst could hurt itself if it doesn't go 2-0. They might not.

WCHA: This coming weekend's two series of interest: Wisconsin at NoDak. We will learn a lot about both teams. Minnesota vs Bemidji... if Bemidji gets blown out, they will be officially out of the discussion for a while.

Let's ditch the #2 vs #3 debate and get on to the real questions!!!! :)
 
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PuckRush said:
I don't think the Wisconsin vs BC debate is interesting compared to some other questions. So put them in either order, because there's no way to figure out the right answer today.

The juicy stuff is in 5-10, or 5-12 for that matter.

ECAC: St Lawrence vs Clarkson tomorrow, St Lawrence vs Yale on Friday, and Cornell vs Quinny on Saturday will cement or shake up these polls some more. SLU wins their games and they are in top 10. What if Clarkson wins both games? What if Clarkson loses both games? Is Yale going to be a contender? So many other possibilities - just know that the mess continues whatever happens.

HE: Northeastern at Boston U tomorrow. Must watch hockey. What happens in polls if NE beats BU???? Does BU fall out? Wow. Two teams with high expectations facing issues.

CHA: Mercyhurst could hurt itself if it doesn't go 2-0. They might not.

WCHA: This coming weekend's two series of interest: Wisconsin at NoDak. We will learn a lot about both teams. Minnesota vs Bemidji... if Bemidji gets blown out, they will be officially out of the discussion for a while.

Let's ditch the #2 vs #3 debate and get on to the real questions!!!! :)
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and don't forget teams lose 4 Nations players Oct 1-8...
 
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5mn_Major said:
Yeah an interesting strategy by Frost. Usually teams sprinkle their top frosh in their top lines (see the men's team with Bristedt). But here both Pannek and Piazza are loaded on the third with a player that's been playing defense. But who am I to second guess the team's results?
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I think he has the luxury of putting top frosh together so that they develop as a unit. He put Brandt and Menefee with Kessel and it is obvious that those two are a great team (I bet Amanda would have been back with them had she not suffered a concussion at the Olympics). By their senior year Pannek and Piazza will know each other inside & out and play on auto-pilot trusting they know where each will be.
 
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1. UM
2. UW
3. BC
4. Hawvard
5. Mercy
6. Q
7. Cornell
8. BU
9. UMD
10.RIT
 
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the polls are all over the place!
Pokechecker Index to the rescue:

should be more clear once Hawved & Cornell 100% under way

1 Minnesota 5

2 Wisconsin 10
3 Boston College 12

4 Quinnipiac 22

5 Harvard 30
8 Boston Univ. 30
5 Cornell 32
7 Ohio State 34
9 Clarkson 35

10 Mercyhurst 40

11 St. Lawrence 42
12 Minnesota Dul 42
13 North Dakota 43
 
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