Frozen 4 site selections?

[brassbonanza]

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16,000 is a bit big, but 11,000 is a good size, at least it has been in the east. One of the traditional problems has been conveniently located (if there is such a thing in the west) venues of an appropriate size.

The Sears Center is WAY out of Chicago, 35 miles or so, and not on public transportation from what I can tell, so it does present a problem for anyone flying in. That'd be sort of like calling the DCU Center regional as being in Boston. If this DePaul basketball arena had a rink built as part of it, that would be a good idea.

 

[The Rube]

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Denver has been 2000 miles east of me for the last 30 years ... but yes, my bad ... it's definitely in the Middle Western part of the U.S. so I should have included it. Also it's a worse place than Anaheim in terms of having an event that is meaningfully "intense" and fan-centric. Vancouver wouldn't be as Rogers Arena is basically downtown and the area has ALL the amenities demanded by the regular attendees.

I thought the Denver F4 was excellent. Although that was my second time there (first was for work, a couple years before), that was the first time I really got to experience what the city had to offer, and I loved it. And it's west, not middle western.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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That one might be difficult.

It would be interesting to see how the teams would do when they have to switch to floor hockey for the regionals.

 

[state of hockey]

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So I'll be 34 the next time the championchip game is in my backyard? Maybe I'll act like an adult.

 

[The Rube]

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So I'll be 34 the next time the championchip game is in my backyard? Maybe I'll act like an adult.

Ha!

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Denver has been 2000 miles east of me for the last 30 years ... but yes, my bad ... it's definitely in the Middle Western part of the U.S. so I should have included it. Also it's a worse place than Anaheim in terms of having an event that is meaningfully "intense" and fan-centric. Vancouver wouldn't be as Rogers Arena is basically downtown and the area has ALL the amenities demanded by the regular attendees.

As usual you're one of the biggest, trolling morons on this board. The world does not revolve around or cater to your beloved Anchorage.

 

[Hux]

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This is a remarkably stupid argument.

Yes, Vancouver is an awesome city (was just there in January), their downtown is fantastic and the area around Rogers would be great for an event like this, but I don't see why the NCAA would start holding championships out of country.

LA would probably be alright, but I think we can all understand why the NCAA would choose Florida if they were going to venture outside of college hockey's footprint.

LA, given the recent success of the Kings, sorta recent success of the Ducks, and a pretty robust youth hockey scene would do better this time around. Be a good way to show those Pac 10 schools what they are missing.

 

[state of hockey]

Ha!

You're probably right.

 

[uaafanblog]

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As usual you're one of the biggest, trolling morons on this board. The world does not revolve around or cater to your beloved Anchorage.

Dumb **** ... whether or not Vancouver would be a good place for the Frozen Four has absolutely nothing to do with my beloved Anchorage. Conflate much? Exaggerate often? Diarrhea? Yes, UAA and UAF should work together to make a bid in Vancouver. Everybody hated Anaheim; it might work better again in L.A. (I don't disagree with that per se ... ) but, Vancouver would provide a unique fan experience while bringing all the elements together that regular Frozen Four attendees demand. Unless and until you are willing and/or capable of discussing the topic (whether by general argument or a point by point refutation of my assertions) then you'd best be served by refraining from the exceedingly ridiculous ad hominem. Translation for St. Cloud fans: Shut the H-E-double L up.

Enjoy living in Detroit.

 

[Pump It Up]

Dumb **** ... whether or not Vancouver would be a good place for the Frozen Four has absolutely nothing to do with my beloved Anchorage. Conflate much? Exaggerate often? Diarrhea? Yes, UAA and UAF should work together to make a bid in Vancouver. Everybody hated Anaheim; it might work better again in L.A. (I don't disagree with that per se ... ) but, Vancouver would provide a unique fan experience while bringing all the elements together that regular Frozen Four attendees demand. Unless and until you are willing and/or capable of discussing the topic (whether by general argument or a point by point refutation of my assertions) then you'd best be served by refraining from the exceedingly ridiculous ad hominem. Translation for St. Cloud fans: Shut the H-E-double L up.

Enjoy living in Detroit.

Thanks for the translation bro.

 

[Patman]

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So the whole gist is we should all conform to Planet Donald?

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Yeah, I'm so looking forward to a rush of students realizing they need passports. Never mind that some players may have irregularities to deal with.

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Lets add to that the straight insanity of wireless plans for Canadian trips we share the same phone number system but otherwise its straight up BOHICA. Multiply that by 18,000. May as well play in Stockholm. I liked my conference in Montreal but I didn't like scrambling to the conference center to send texts or call home. Organization would suck.

So many hoops to jump through.

Edit: want real chaos? Put three boston area schools in the frozen four. I'm sure the large number of flights from point to point will just work themselves out.

 

[COHockey]

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Denver has been 2000 miles east of me for the last 30 years ... but yes, my bad ... it's definitely in the Middle Western part of the U.S. so I should have included it. Also it's a worse place than Anaheim in terms of having an event that is meaningfully "intense" and fan-centric.

Maybe this should be a poll, but who here who went to Denver in 2008 felt that it was less "meaningfully intense and fan-centric" than in Anaheim in 1999? My understanding it went pretty well. Let me check off some things fans want:
1. Walking distance from downtown - check
2. Taxi/parking - check
3. Public transportation - check (both on bus lines and light rail station)
4. Bars/restaurants within easy walking distance to arena - check
5. Not in the middle of a dangerous area of town - check (and as a matter of fact, since Boston, according to ATT wireless, only St Paul and Denver are the only two cities who have hosted and did not have what is labelled RED ZONES where cell towers are off limits after dark without police escort)
6. Affordable accommodations - check
7. Within two hours driving time to any Hockey East school - um, okay, you got me here...

Point seven is the only real complaint I heard. Not an easy drive from anywhere. Same issue than in Tampa. How again was it worse than Anaheim?

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Never mind that some players may have irregularities to deal with.

Back in the day (oh about maybe 10 years ago), there was a kid who was an All-American that played in Hockey East and he didn't have a passport and for some reason refused to get one or didn't want one or couldn't get one. It was explained to me but I can't remember the exact reason. That's why he was never involved with Team USA tournaments out of the United States, he was an elite player that probably would have been in some of these junior tournaments abroad. Can you imagine a team leaving their best player back in the states for the Frozen Four in Canada? Some players with old legal issues may not be allowed to leave the country as well.

Canada would be a serious PITA that would never happen. And if it did, it would be in Ontario (Toronto) which is more centrally located east/west for the college hockey community.

So in other words, if you consider that there isn't a single good reason to put a FF in Vancouver, aside from the fact that they have a hockey arena there, arguing that Vancouver would be a great destination for the Frozen Four is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board. As always, consider the source.

 

[Freddie]

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I can't believe this thread has gotten hijacked over the Vancouver idea.
While it is a great city, and a wonderful place to visit, the NCAA will NEVER hold an event outside the USA. Period.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Some players with old legal issues may not be allowed to leave the country as well.

Did Trivino ever get his passport back?

 

[MplsSioux]

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Yeah, I was in Denver and the atmosphere was awesome, especially before the game, and the location of the arena is solid. The only thing I absolutely hated was the result.

Maybe this should be a poll, but who here who went to Denver in 2008 felt that it was less "meaningfully intense and fan-centric" than in Anaheim in 1999? My understanding it went pretty well. Let me check off some things fans want:
1. Walking distance from downtown - check
2. Taxi/parking - check
3. Public transportation - check (both on bus lines and light rail station)
4. Bars/restaurants within easy walking distance to arena - check
5. Not in the middle of a dangerous area of town - check (and as a matter of fact, since Boston, according to ATT wireless, only St Paul and Denver are the only two cities who have hosted and did not have what is labelled RED ZONES where cell towers are off limits after dark without police escort)
6. Affordable accommodations - check
7. Within two hours driving time to any Hockey East school - um, okay, you got me here...

Point seven is the only real complaint I heard. Not an easy drive from anywhere. Same issue than in Tampa. How again was it worse than Anaheim?

 

[pgb-ohio]

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I can't believe this thread has gotten hijacked over the Vancouver idea.
While it is a great city, and a wonderful place to visit, the NCAA will NEVER hold an event outside the USA. Period.

Correct take on Vancouver. Also, I believe that it's correct the NCAA has never staged a championship competition on foreign soil. Yes, some football bowl games have crossed the border, but I think that's as close as it gets.

 

[Rover]

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While I know the arena is too small, I miss Providence for the FF. Open container law waived for the entire city, not just the block near the arena. Strip clubs offering discounts if you had a valid ticket to the games. Guys who looked like extra from The Sopranos walking around asking "Whadda youze need" every 5 minutes. Headlines in the local papers saying how the recent recession is so bad the Mafia had to lay off a dozen cops & 6 mayors, etc. Good times.

 

[goldy_331]

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Watch out you guys who are dissing the Vancouver idea. Donald will come back in here and pout and call you all names.

 

[hattrick16]

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The Sears Center is WAY out of Chicago, 35 miles or so, and not on public transportation from what I can tell, so it does present a problem for anyone flying in. That'd be sort of like calling the DCU Center regional as being in Boston. If this DePaul basketball arena had a rink built as part of it, that would be a good idea.

This is true. However, other Midwest Regional in Grand Rapids, Green Bay, South Bend, Fort Wayne (should I continue?) do not have public transportation either. And the Sears Center is just a few minutes from O'Hare. Not to mention the fact that there is more stuff to do in suburban Chicago than all the other potential Midwest Regional cities combined. I think it's under 6 hours of driving for 16 D-I schools, not to mention based in a large metropolitan area that will draw more local fans than other regionals too. I think it would be worth a shot.