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Fighting Sioux to fight on...For one more year at least.

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I am glad that UND won't be forced to dump their long-standing identity for at least another year. This nothing to do with the casual person liking or not liking Native Americans as a people or their cultures, and has everything to do with politics and being PC. How on earth UND is told they have to give up their logo, yet Florida State as a college example or the Washington Redskins as a pro example continue to exist make the situation in North Dakota a complete farce.
No one is going after the Redskins because they are a private corporation and they have deep pockets with tons of cash to defend their position and as another poster mentioned no is going after FSU because they put a ton of cash into the NCAA's pockets. But UND is viewed as small and/or weak in the grand scheme of things so to keep the PC, I need a participation trophy for everything crowd happy, the NCAA makes a choice that their particular use of Native American culture is completely unacceptable, while others are just fine as they are...
Too bad the real issue here isn't about people, a university and sports, because if it was, this would have been a non-issue and everyone would just go happily about their business.
Ryan J
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
I am glad that UND won't be forced to dump their long-standing identity for at least another year. This nothing to do with the casual person liking or not liking Native Americans as a people or their cultures, and has everything to do with politics and being PC. How on earth UND is told they have to give up their logo, yet Florida State as a college example or the Washington Redskins as a pro example continue to exist make the situation in North Dakota a complete farce.
No one is going after the Redskins because they are a private corporation and they have deep pockets with tons of cash to defend their position and as another poster mentioned no is going after FSU because they put a ton of cash into the NCAA's pockets. But UND is viewed as small and/or weak in the grand scheme of things so to keep the PC, I need a participation trophy for everything crowd happy, the NCAA makes a choice that their particular use of Native American culture is completely unacceptable, while others are just fine as they are...
Too bad the real issue here isn't about people, a university and sports, because if it was, this would have been a non-issue and everyone would just go happily about their business.
Ryan J
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No one is going after Central Michigan, and they aren't an NCAA cash cow. It is because they, like Florida State received the blessing of the tribes whose names they bear to use the names and logos.
 
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joecct said:
IF UND went with the "Fighting Dakotans" could they keep the logo??

OR, UND needs to join a BCS league and then the NCAA will cave in the face of all those lost $$$. For we all know that the BCS conferences really run the NCAA and that the SEC is first among the pigs.
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Which SEC team bears a Native American name or logo?
 
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davyd83 said:
No one is going after Central Michigan, and they aren't an NCAA cash cow. It is because they, like Florida State received the blessing of the tribes whose names they bear to use the names and logos.
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You mean like UND did?
 
Re: Fighting Sioux to fight on...For one more year at least.

Joe, Florida State is in the ACC (I'm assuming that was your train of thought).

I'm very glad that UND will be keeping the Fighting Sioux name. The Suhaki would have been a little too weird.
 
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davyd83 said:
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/standing_rock_tribe_opposes_fighting_sioux_nickname/

There was no referendum of the "commoners."
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Standing Rock gave their approval in 1969 in a public ceremony.

Also, as Dirty brought up, the NCAA didn't care that the Oklahoma Seminole tribe has never been asked whether they like the nickname or not. North Dakota is being held to a different standard, and that's why so many feel like we're getting unfair treatment by the NCAA...because we are.
 
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uaafanblog said:
Regardless of what you all may think of the NCAA; it is an association of voluntary membership. If UND doesn't want to be part of it they should resign from it. If they do want to be a part of it then they either need to abide by it's rulings or begin litigation in court to show why the NCAA doesn't have the power to strip them of their hostile and abusive nickname/logo.

Note here ... it was a plethora of legal opinions, cost and reticence to litigate that brought UND to come to an agreement with the NCAA which it will be violating by continuing to use this name.

Simply choosing to ignore the agreement that they made with the NCAA will not be the end of this. The NCAA will likely apply some sanctions at this point. Hopefully, it all ends up in court. The legalities haven't changed just because the ND legislature has decided that the squeaky wheels in their email boxes must be appeased.

Bottom line: GTFO of the NCAA if you don't like it's rules.
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I agree wholeheartedly.

I cannot think of a single reason not to do everything by concensus and by the rule of the majority.
I cannot WAIT till we get to vote on whether or not Jews can still own real property.

reason should never prevail over popular opinion

apparently you won Shirley Jackson's lottery... am I right?
 
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This thread is useful. It's always a good thing to know who supports racist acts and imagery.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Joe, Florida State is in the ACC (I'm assuming that was your train of thought).

I'm very glad that UND will be keeping the Fighting Sioux name. The Suhaki would have been a little too weird.
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Know that - I live in ACC country. But among the BCS conferences, the SEC is first amongst equals. That conference can do anything, get caught with its hands in the cookie jar, and pretty much escape with only a slap on the wrist.

If the NCAA found ANY violation at UND, you can bet your bottom dollar that the ICBM's would be flying @ Grand Forks.
 
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