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Fighting in college Hockey
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Re: Fighting in college Hockey
I either accidentally quoted him or forgot to throw in a shot at the fourth best team in the state, I don't rememer which.
And you can use all the excuses you want... if you'd like, you can look up NSSHG's from last year.
I either accidentally quoted him or forgot to throw in a shot at the fourth best team in the state, I don't rememer which.
And you can use all the excuses you want... if you'd like, you can look up NSSHG's from last year.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Honestly, why not examine this by taking a look at the amount of fighting in the AHL or NHL. This is where, after up to 4 years, the player says "Yay I get to fight again". Yes, a player may have 1-2 fights within the first month or so, but they grow out of it.
There are still "enforcers" in the college game that will give an extra check or may get a roughing/hitting-after-whistle double minor; I know that "facemasking" has also become a popular penalty in this situation at least in the ECAC (another reason why they should get rid of the mandatory cages, but I digress). Yes, hockey is very much a fundamentals game that involves heavy hitting, but I don't really see the overt need to drop the gloves unless things turn extremely sour. Just start giving a lot of hard checks to that player on his next shift, or the same shift if it's the beginning of it.
Also, as a point of technicality, fighting is not "legal" at any level of hockey as there is still a penalty attached, just the punishment for doing so changes. In some leagues, you get a major penalty. In some, you get suspended. In some, you're expelled from playing for the duration of the season (mostly the younger leagues).
Honestly, why not examine this by taking a look at the amount of fighting in the AHL or NHL. This is where, after up to 4 years, the player says "Yay I get to fight again". Yes, a player may have 1-2 fights within the first month or so, but they grow out of it.
There are still "enforcers" in the college game that will give an extra check or may get a roughing/hitting-after-whistle double minor; I know that "facemasking" has also become a popular penalty in this situation at least in the ECAC (another reason why they should get rid of the mandatory cages, but I digress). Yes, hockey is very much a fundamentals game that involves heavy hitting, but I don't really see the overt need to drop the gloves unless things turn extremely sour. Just start giving a lot of hard checks to that player on his next shift, or the same shift if it's the beginning of it.
Also, as a point of technicality, fighting is not "legal" at any level of hockey as there is still a penalty attached, just the punishment for doing so changes. In some leagues, you get a major penalty. In some, you get suspended. In some, you're expelled from playing for the duration of the season (mostly the younger leagues).
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bsaeagle64
Cautiously Optimistic
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Thanks for the great comment. This is the way we should all look at the game.
When the World Jrs were in Boston a while back, I saw one of the best Ice Hockey games I've ever seen played at Matthews Arena. Granted it wasn't college, but it was a game that showed everyone who was there how the game should be played.
To preface my description of that game, I'll say that the 1st game of the two game set involved Canada and Finland. Since the Canadian kids don't play a european 'style', and the Fins don't play a Canadian 'style', the Canadians were able to hit the Fins hard and legally every chance they could, preventing Finland from ever getting on track. Canada won going away.
In the game I will refer to as one of the best I have ever seen, two european teams (can't remember what countries were represented) played 65 minutes to a 0-0 tie. The action was non stop from one end of the ice to the other, with very few whistles for either off-sides or icing. These kids definately knew what they were doing on the ice, both offensively and defensively, and with very few, if any, penalties.
I've seen more than a few NU games over the years where the skating was great and the legal hits were fierce, but no fights, and I came away from the games saying that I just saw Ice Hockey the way it should be played. I don't think fighting belongs in College Hockey, but bodies hitting the ice from great legal, but ferocious checks, is part of the game.
Thanks for the great comment. This is the way we should all look at the game.
When the World Jrs were in Boston a while back, I saw one of the best Ice Hockey games I've ever seen played at Matthews Arena. Granted it wasn't college, but it was a game that showed everyone who was there how the game should be played.
To preface my description of that game, I'll say that the 1st game of the two game set involved Canada and Finland. Since the Canadian kids don't play a european 'style', and the Fins don't play a Canadian 'style', the Canadians were able to hit the Fins hard and legally every chance they could, preventing Finland from ever getting on track. Canada won going away.
In the game I will refer to as one of the best I have ever seen, two european teams (can't remember what countries were represented) played 65 minutes to a 0-0 tie. The action was non stop from one end of the ice to the other, with very few whistles for either off-sides or icing. These kids definately knew what they were doing on the ice, both offensively and defensively, and with very few, if any, penalties.
I've seen more than a few NU games over the years where the skating was great and the legal hits were fierce, but no fights, and I came away from the games saying that I just saw Ice Hockey the way it should be played. I don't think fighting belongs in College Hockey, but bodies hitting the ice from great legal, but ferocious checks, is part of the game.
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Happy
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Re: Fighting in college Hockey
How about just posting on youtube the Eaves versus Alex Leavitt assault and battery, that would be a lot better, and more enjoyable to everyone.
Yeah, I'm sure the NCAA is going to go for sanctioned fighting in a college sport. Really people?
I wish they'd ban it in the NHL and I think that anyone who attacks someone for legally checking their team mate should be suspended for 10 games.
I just watched two months of Stanley Cup playoffs and didn't see a single fight and I didn't miss it a bit. In addition, there didn't seem to be a need for the "self-policing" that so many fighting defenders use as the reason to keep it.
Truth told, I root for my guy when there is a fight, but it just seems outdated especially since there are no longer heavyweights/personalities ala the most recent batch such as Probert, Domi, etc.
Fighting in the NHL is on the way out, as it should be. Can't wait.
PS I'm all for the coaches fighting each other as Eaves would take Lucia's head off.
How about just posting on youtube the Eaves versus Alex Leavitt assault and battery, that would be a lot better, and more enjoyable to everyone.
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Fighting is a farce, for the most part, in the NHL. Why would you want to introduce it to College Hockey? Why is it that players in all other sports can work within a no fighting framework? Football. lacrosse etc. Fighting is what makes NHL hockey more like wrestling and less like the other sports, college hockey is fine just the way it is.
Fighting is a farce, for the most part, in the NHL. Why would you want to introduce it to College Hockey? Why is it that players in all other sports can work within a no fighting framework? Football. lacrosse etc. Fighting is what makes NHL hockey more like wrestling and less like the other sports, college hockey is fine just the way it is.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Fighting in college Hockey
I think that the term "versus" is a little strong.
I believe that Leavitt was in the fetal position sucking his thumb while Eaves was kicking him in the gut and yelling "Horses get put in the barn you little b-i-t-c-h-a-s-s pansy!"
P.S. How come Gopher fans typically sound whiny with their comebacks?
I think that the term "versus" is a little strong.
I believe that Leavitt was in the fetal position sucking his thumb while Eaves was kicking him in the gut and yelling "Horses get put in the barn you little b-i-t-c-h-a-s-s pansy!"
P.S. How come Gopher fans typically sound whiny with their comebacks?
Happy
Registered User
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Because you have ****ing cheese stuck in your ****ing ears.
Because you have ****ing cheese stuck in your ****ing ears.
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Gurtholfin
Guest
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
C'mon man, take a breath. It's Summer and the Hawks are champs. Life is good...
even in Minnesota.
And make no mistake. Leavitt had it coming, just like the deer.
C'mon man, take a breath. It's Summer and the Hawks are champs. Life is good...
even in Minnesota.
And make no mistake. Leavitt had it coming, just like the deer.
Happy
Registered User
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
But, the Democrats in charge do not approve of abusing immigrants like that. Leavitt, after all, was just a poor Canadian trying to make an honest living in Wisconsin. He should be able to do that without such a blatant hate crime aimed at him. It's probably the reason the only good player to come out of Wisconsin in 25 years, Kessel, decided to leave as soon as he could.
C'mon man, take a breath. It's Summer and the Hawks are champs. Life is good...
even in Minnesota.
And make no mistake. Leavitt had it coming, just like the deer.
But, the Democrats in charge do not approve of abusing immigrants like that. Leavitt, after all, was just a poor Canadian trying to make an honest living in Wisconsin. He should be able to do that without such a blatant hate crime aimed at him. It's probably the reason the only good player to come out of Wisconsin in 25 years, Kessel, decided to leave as soon as he could.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Burish has two rings now, Kessel has none. Clearly, Burish is the better of the two to come out of Wisconsin.
In addition, nobody really seems to like Kessel. There's a swath of burned bridges in his wake.
Last time I checked, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, loves Burish
Burish has two rings now, Kessel has none. Clearly, Burish is the better of the two to come out of Wisconsin.
In addition, nobody really seems to like Kessel. There's a swath of burned bridges in his wake.
Last time I checked, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, loves Burish
Happy
Registered User
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
no, all the Turks hate him.
Burish has two rings now, Kessel has none. Clearly, Burish is the better of the two to come out of Wisconsin.
In addition, nobody really seems to like Kessel. There's a swath of burned bridges in his wake.
Last time I checked, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, loves Burish
no, all the Turks hate him.
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
"fighting is allowed" == today's NHL
"fighting is not tolerated" == today's NCAA
A. Suppose fistfights (between players on the ice
) simply did not occur during hockey games at any level. Under what conditions would fights occur? What problem would allowing fighting solve? How would allowing fights improve the game?
B. Alternatively, suppose fighting was not tolerated at any level of hockey and never had been. What problem would allowing fighting solve? How would allowing fights improve the game?
C. Is there a difference between scenarios A and B?
What's the state of fighting in European leagues?
"fighting is allowed" == today's NHL
"fighting is not tolerated" == today's NCAA
A. Suppose fistfights (between players on the ice
) simply did not occur during hockey games at any level. Under what conditions would fights occur? What problem would allowing fighting solve? How would allowing fights improve the game?B. Alternatively, suppose fighting was not tolerated at any level of hockey and never had been. What problem would allowing fighting solve? How would allowing fights improve the game?
C. Is there a difference between scenarios A and B?
What's the state of fighting in European leagues?
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
I don't like Burish.
Burish has two rings now, Kessel has none. Clearly, Burish is the better of the two to come out of Wisconsin.
In addition, nobody really seems to like Kessel. There's a swath of burned bridges in his wake.
Last time I checked, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, loves Burish
I don't like Burish.
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Who are the Hawks? What are they peewee champs?
C'mon man, take a breath. It's Summer and the Hawks are champs. Life is good...
even in Minnesota.
And make no mistake. Leavitt had it coming, just like the deer.
Who are the Hawks? What are they peewee champs?
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Hermantown. But they got runner up to stupid Breck, sadly.
Hermantown. But they got runner up to stupid Breck, sadly.
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
A. If someone takes a cheaps shot, someone on the other team might take a cheap shot, resulting in an injury. So, if fighting is allowed (but penalized), that first cheap shot may not happen, since they know a fight is coming. Theoretically it "cleans" up the game; but that also depends on understanding the unwritten rules of the game/fighting/etc.
B. Even if it wasn't tolerated, it still would happen (see: baseball, basketball on a lesser extent, and footbal to even a lesser extent). However, you'd see rougher/cheaper play overall, I think, due to the nature of American hockey (you could expand that to NHL hockey).
C. Yes and no. The way the sport has been, and will be for a while, fighting will continue to happen. It then relies on how it's penalized, the attitude towards it, and the contributing factors towards a possible fight situation. For example, if you can get less-talented/hotheaded players to not take that extra shove/borderline illegal check or hit/etc, fighting will decrease naturally. However, given the competitiveness and the mindset of today's players, I can't see that happening.
"fighting is allowed" == today's NHL
"fighting is not tolerated" == today's NCAA
A. Suppose fistfights (between players on the ice
B. Alternatively, suppose fighting was not tolerated at any level of hockey and never had been. What problem would allowing fighting solve? How would allowing fights improve the game?
C. Is there a difference between scenarios A and B?
What's the state of fighting in European leagues?
A. If someone takes a cheaps shot, someone on the other team might take a cheap shot, resulting in an injury. So, if fighting is allowed (but penalized), that first cheap shot may not happen, since they know a fight is coming. Theoretically it "cleans" up the game; but that also depends on understanding the unwritten rules of the game/fighting/etc.
B. Even if it wasn't tolerated, it still would happen (see: baseball, basketball on a lesser extent, and footbal to even a lesser extent). However, you'd see rougher/cheaper play overall, I think, due to the nature of American hockey (you could expand that to NHL hockey).
C. Yes and no. The way the sport has been, and will be for a while, fighting will continue to happen. It then relies on how it's penalized, the attitude towards it, and the contributing factors towards a possible fight situation. For example, if you can get less-talented/hotheaded players to not take that extra shove/borderline illegal check or hit/etc, fighting will decrease naturally. However, given the competitiveness and the mindset of today's players, I can't see that happening.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Fighting in college Hockey
Burish has about 394 illegitimate children scattered across Chicago by now.
Burish has about 394 illegitimate children scattered across Chicago by now.