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Plattsburgh learned a similar lesson on Saturday night.
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Elmira College 2017-2018
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Plattsburgh learned a similar lesson on Saturday night.
Ecalltheway1289
EC hockey #1
Re: Elmira College 2017-2018
Saul's got to go im sorry! Not sorry!!!! This is so sad! So sick of seeing this team underachieving against lesser opponents its been this way for way to many years now. When kids come in year 1 an show lots of potential an by year 4 have not grown much or at all something is wrong within the staff. Its crazy to see this team for the last 4 years show up against top teir opponents an win or tie them. Then teams we should be beating show up an we cant play the games we should be against them and we look absolutely awfully!!!!!!!
Saul's got to go im sorry! Not sorry!!!! This is so sad! So sick of seeing this team underachieving against lesser opponents its been this way for way to many years now. When kids come in year 1 an show lots of potential an by year 4 have not grown much or at all something is wrong within the staff. Its crazy to see this team for the last 4 years show up against top teir opponents an win or tie them. Then teams we should be beating show up an we cant play the games we should be against them and we look absolutely awfully!!!!!!!
Re: Elmira College 2017-2018
You are not the only person to feel this way. Such a waste of good talent. To many of us, “ it APPEARS “ that the College isn’t as dedicated to this program like it used to be.
Hire a top notch coach, give him full rein of the program and see what happens. A successful program will generate fans which also generates revinue. When I first started going to EC games, it was almost standing room only at most games, not unusual to see 300+ fans take the trip to RIT for a regular season game.
I really wish that the College would appreciate the fans that still come out, game after game, win or lose, ( which they have been doing a lot of lately ).
You are not the only person to feel this way. Such a waste of good talent. To many of us, “ it APPEARS “ that the College isn’t as dedicated to this program like it used to be.
Hire a top notch coach, give him full rein of the program and see what happens. A successful program will generate fans which also generates revinue. When I first started going to EC games, it was almost standing room only at most games, not unusual to see 300+ fans take the trip to RIT for a regular season game.
I really wish that the College would appreciate the fans that still come out, game after game, win or lose, ( which they have been doing a lot of lately ).
I’ve only missed one home game in 29yrs, so I’ve seen the good and bad, lately though, too much bad and I’m not seeing any improvement.
PP and PK were bad last night. The french fries were good though!
elbojpb
Well-known member
Re: Elmira College 2017-2018
On a somewhat related note ... the expansion in the number of D1 and D3 teams over the last decade has seriously diluted the talent pool. Look at the recent success of M'bury, P'burgh, Ma'ville, even some of the Wisco teams. To quote my old boss, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken excrement.
With essentially an entirely underclassmen team, the players are making progress, especially the defensemen in the offensive zone. Now if they could only show the same improvement in the defensive zone; on the PK in particular.
On a somewhat related note ... the expansion in the number of D1 and D3 teams over the last decade has seriously diluted the talent pool. Look at the recent success of M'bury, P'burgh, Ma'ville, even some of the Wisco teams. To quote my old boss, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken excrement.
EC’s top line is awesome! Let’s win Tuesday and finish the first half at 500 which is a huge improvement over last year.
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pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: Elmira College 2017-2018
I was talking to another SNC fan about this issue last week....agreed that the talent pool is getting stretched thin in recent years.
I was talking to another SNC fan about this issue last week....agreed that the talent pool is getting stretched thin in recent years.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Look at how many teams have 3 and 4 losses already in the national poll. The parity is just unreal this year.
elbojpb
Well-known member
Border (ice) Wall
Border (ice) Wall
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[td]# of Wins[/td]
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[td]4[/td]
[td]*10[/td]
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[td]16-17[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]8[/td]
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[td]15-16[/td]
[td]10[/td]
[td]11[/td]
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[tr]
[td]14-15[/td]
[td]14[/td]
[td]12[/td]
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[td]13-14[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]16[/td]
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[td]12-13[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]10[/td]
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[td]11-12[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]15[/td]
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[td]10-11[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]17[/td]
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[td]09-10[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]19[/td]
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[td]08-09[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]16[/td]
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[td]07-08[/td]
[td]14[/td]
[td]20[/td]
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[td]16[/td]
[td]13[/td]
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Border (ice) Wall
The other cause likely having a greater impact on D3 mediocrity was the NCAA clamp down on "foreign" aid going predominantly to Canadian hockey players. The number of foreign students on D3 rosters has dropped precipitously in the past decade. Elmira has 4 on its roster this season. Draw your own conclusions from the following data, remembering that 17-18 is a projection and that the UCHC has 3 newish teams this year.
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[td]Year[/td]
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[td]# of Wins[/td]
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[td]4[/td]
[td]*10[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16-17[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]8[/td]
[/tr]
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[td]15-16[/td]
[td]10[/td]
[td]11[/td]
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[td]14-15[/td]
[td]14[/td]
[td]12[/td]
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[td]13-14[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]16[/td]
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[td]12-13[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]10[/td]
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[td]11-12[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]15[/td]
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[td]10-11[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]17[/td]
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[td]09-10[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]19[/td]
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[tr]
[td]08-09[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]16[/td]
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[td]07-08[/td]
[td]14[/td]
[td]20[/td]
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[td]06-07[/td]
[td]16[/td]
[td]13[/td]
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pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
I took a look at the number of foreign players on St. Norbert rosters back to our first National Championship season in 2007-08.
The % of foreign players held above 40% for each season until the 2013-14 season when it dropped to 37%. Next four seasons were: 39%, 18%, 25% and 30% for the current season.
Supports your argument...
Re: Border (ice) Wall
I took a look at the number of foreign players on St. Norbert rosters back to our first National Championship season in 2007-08.
The % of foreign players held above 40% for each season until the 2013-14 season when it dropped to 37%. Next four seasons were: 39%, 18%, 25% and 30% for the current season.
Supports your argument...
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Interesting stuff. Made me wonder if public schools play by the same rules...So, just for fun, I crunched a few SUNY teams' 2017 numbers.
Geneseo and Plattsburgh are composed of 35% and 37% foreign recruits, respectively. On the other end of the spectrum, Oswego has a whopping 61% total.*
Not to blow smoke up your collective framma-zamma, but many of you EC fans seem to know a thing or two about the arcane nuances of D-3 methodology... Are there two sets of rules in play here?
* To be clear,"foreign" pretty-much exclusively refers to our neighbors to the North, God bless 'em.
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Interesting stuff. Made me wonder if public schools play by the same rules...So, just for fun, I crunched a few SUNY teams' 2017 numbers.
Geneseo and Plattsburgh are composed of 35% and 37% foreign recruits, respectively. On the other end of the spectrum, Oswego has a whopping 61% total.*
Not to blow smoke up your collective framma-zamma, but many of you EC fans seem to know a thing or two about the arcane nuances of D-3 methodology... Are there two sets of rules in play here?
* To be clear,"foreign" pretty-much exclusively refers to our neighbors to the North, God bless 'em.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
You do realize it was mostly public schools that got nailed by the NCAA. Buffalo State, Geneseo, and Potsdam are three that come to mind. And I believe Oswego made changes around this time to avoid issues.
So, if anybody now knows how to abide by the rules, it's public schools.
Re: Border (ice) Wall
You do realize it was mostly public schools that got nailed by the NCAA. Buffalo State, Geneseo, and Potsdam are three that come to mind. And I believe Oswego made changes around this time to avoid issues.
So, if anybody now knows how to abide by the rules, it's public schools.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Wasn't Neumann actually punished for this sort of thing a couple of years back? I don't seem to remember any meaningful sanctions imposed on the schools you cite.
And whatever "changes" OSU made, they're 61% Canadian this year, so it hasn't seemed to have cramped their style.
Before you get your panties in (another) bunch, understand that I don't care how D-3 as a whole recruits players , as long as the field is level... I was merely wondering if there were loop-holes or what-not re: public schools. (To be fair, I just looked up Norwich, and they have a 50-50 split themselves.)
Bottom-line for me is this: you can be who you want to be as an institution. To wit, you may choose to sacrifice hockey for academics, or vice-versa, or possibly neither. But the sanctimony at the D-3 is pretty silly.
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Wasn't Neumann actually punished for this sort of thing a couple of years back? I don't seem to remember any meaningful sanctions imposed on the schools you cite.
And whatever "changes" OSU made, they're 61% Canadian this year, so it hasn't seemed to have cramped their style.
Before you get your panties in (another) bunch, understand that I don't care how D-3 as a whole recruits players , as long as the field is level... I was merely wondering if there were loop-holes or what-not re: public schools. (To be fair, I just looked up Norwich, and they have a 50-50 split themselves.)
Bottom-line for me is this: you can be who you want to be as an institution. To wit, you may choose to sacrifice hockey for academics, or vice-versa, or possibly neither. But the sanctimony at the D-3 is pretty silly.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
61 percent is a big change from what used to be more like 90 percent...
Re: Border (ice) Wall
61 percent is a big change from what used to be more like 90 percent...
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Yeah, didn't want to go there.
But, if you want to be a hockey power, be one, and Oswego certainly is that.
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Yeah, didn't want to go there.
But, if you want to be a hockey power, be one, and Oswego certainly is that.
elbojpb
Well-known member
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
Re: Border (ice) Wall
In 07/08, Geneseo was 68%, Plattsburgh 56%, and Oswego 70%.