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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Speaking of using spell check...
Speaking of using spell check...
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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
I'm not disagreeing....merely observing that the in-state tuition bills generally are proposed to apply to the children of the illegals, not the illegals themselves.
I'm not disagreeing....merely observing that the in-state tuition bills generally are proposed to apply to the children of the illegals, not the illegals themselves.
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
If a person was born here they aren't illegal. Whoosh!So you consider a person born in the United States an illegal alien? In your view, how many generations does a family have to live here to be considered an American citizen?
And while we're on the subject, perhaps you can tell us how many generations your family has been in this country.
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So why shouldn't they pay in-state tuition?
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It's my understanding that this isn't "the point" of the legislation; it's more so that they can enroll in college without their family being threatened with deportation....though not every state's version of the proposed bill is the same.
It's my understanding that this isn't "the point" of the legislation; it's more so that they can enroll in college without their family being threatened with deportation....though not every state's version of the proposed bill is the same.
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Oh, well we definitely want to punish kids for the sins of their parents (I think that's in the Bible) so I can understand the opposition.
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Who here has said that they have a problem with legal residents paying in-state tuition?
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They have implied that legal residents are not citizens. I am asking for some clarification. I believe Bob has told us in the past that "anchor babies" who are born in these United States should not be considered citizens and are thus illegal aliens themselves.
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Yeah - I think there are some crossed signals here. The proposed law would deny in-state tuition to someone who entered unlawfully as a child. But I can't see how it would apply to a U.S. citizen (like someone born in the U.S. to parents who arrived unlawfully). I guess that's the difference
Yeah - I think there are some crossed signals here. The proposed law would deny in-state tuition to someone who entered unlawfully as a child. But I can't see how it would apply to a U.S. citizen (like someone born in the U.S. to parents who arrived unlawfully). I guess that's the difference
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Ah, so you're still having some other conversation. It would be less confusing if you would join this one.
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I'm asking for some clarification because their views on other issues do not make sense when applied to this situation. But I guess some consistency is too much to ask. My apologies.
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Not fun when you get caught commenting on a subject you aren't that familiar with, eh?
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Not fun when you get caught being a hypocrite, eh?
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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Edwards not guilty on one charge, mistrial declared on the other five.
*fail horn*
Edwards not guilty on one charge, mistrial declared on the other five.
*fail horn*
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The "proximity" argument has no bearing here. The issue is residency. A kid who lives in California has no more claim to pay in-state tuition at the U of A than a kid from Rhode Island. The kid in "the next state over" pays in-state tuition in that state.
And if the children of illegal aliens don't pay in state tuition, what do they pay? Or do you just prohibit them from attending state schools? And is it in the long term best interests of a state to erect barriors for these kids (who have been graduated from state high schools) to get access to higher education? And is it fair to punish the children of illegals? Children who had nothing to do with the illegality? Every one of these kids should move toward citizenship as fast as possible. And if that means we have to simplify or compress the process, we should at least consider it.
IMO, the first order of business in dealing with illegal immigration is to stop it. The question of what we do with the millions of illegals and their kids who are already here is a much larger, more complicated problem. Rounding up 10 or 12 million people and shipping them out would be a legal, ethical, logistical quaqmire. I doubt we could afford it, even if we tried. It would, however, usher in a golden age for the open borders crowd and the ACLU.
In formulating our policy here, we should be careful not to cut off our nose to spite our face. At some point, we'll have enough bus boys and leaf blowers. Then what? Wouldn't we be better off if at least some of these young people got an education that prepared them for 21st century jobs and for citizenship, too? For the most part, having been graduated from state high schools, these young people are indistinguishable from other kids of Latino heritage, except for their immigration status. That's an important distinction, to be sure, but these kids aren't exactly Hester Prynne.
The "proximity" argument has no bearing here. The issue is residency. A kid who lives in California has no more claim to pay in-state tuition at the U of A than a kid from Rhode Island. The kid in "the next state over" pays in-state tuition in that state.
And if the children of illegal aliens don't pay in state tuition, what do they pay? Or do you just prohibit them from attending state schools? And is it in the long term best interests of a state to erect barriors for these kids (who have been graduated from state high schools) to get access to higher education? And is it fair to punish the children of illegals? Children who had nothing to do with the illegality? Every one of these kids should move toward citizenship as fast as possible. And if that means we have to simplify or compress the process, we should at least consider it.
IMO, the first order of business in dealing with illegal immigration is to stop it. The question of what we do with the millions of illegals and their kids who are already here is a much larger, more complicated problem. Rounding up 10 or 12 million people and shipping them out would be a legal, ethical, logistical quaqmire. I doubt we could afford it, even if we tried. It would, however, usher in a golden age for the open borders crowd and the ACLU.
In formulating our policy here, we should be careful not to cut off our nose to spite our face. At some point, we'll have enough bus boys and leaf blowers. Then what? Wouldn't we be better off if at least some of these young people got an education that prepared them for 21st century jobs and for citizenship, too? For the most part, having been graduated from state high schools, these young people are indistinguishable from other kids of Latino heritage, except for their immigration status. That's an important distinction, to be sure, but these kids aren't exactly Hester Prynne.
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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
How is that possible? Is it just that every prosecutor in the US is a failbot now?
"Your honor, we find the defendant incredibly guilty."
Holy...
How is that possible? Is it just that every prosecutor in the US is a failbot now?
"Your honor, we find the defendant incredibly guilty."
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Some articles I've read indicated that this was a prosecutorial reach, based more on the slimy character of this guy and less on the law. I believe NRO, among others, made that point. Frankly, I haven't been following it closely. I'm just satisfied he's out of public life. Although that could be a temporary matter. Just ask Alcee Hastings. I mean, what's to prevent this repulsive twerp from finding a pocket borough somewhere to send him to congress? Nada.
Some articles I've read indicated that this was a prosecutorial reach, based more on the slimy character of this guy and less on the law. I believe NRO, among others, made that point. Frankly, I haven't been following it closely. I'm just satisfied he's out of public life. Although that could be a temporary matter. Just ask Alcee Hastings. I mean, what's to prevent this repulsive twerp from finding a pocket borough somewhere to send him to congress? Nada.
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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Politicians worthy of admiration thread is over there ----->
(or is that defense attorneys worthy of admiration)
Politicians worthy of admiration thread is over there ----->
(or is that defense attorneys worthy of admiration)
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