Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

[BassAle]

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holy crap I agree with something Old Pio posted.

 

[pirate]

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considering that many state schools are increasing their percentage of out of state students (follow the money), I could see some choppy political waters for granting in-state tuition to another group...but as long as somebody lives in the state, regardless of tax status, it would make sense to provide them with lower tuition

 

[Kepler]

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Since the whole idea is for immigrants to assimilate and become productive, and a college education is an excellent way to do both, anything that makes it less likely for the children of immigrants to go to school is self-defeating.

 

[Bob Gray]

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So, in your mind, the distinction between living or not living in a state is irrelevant. Then why not eliminate two tier tuition altogether? I understand you want to punish these kids of illegals, but what you're suggesting simply makes no sense. And if you're going to give tuition breaks to out of state kids, shouldn't you demand reciprocity from other states? It seems fairly simple to me, citizenship and residency are two different matters. You apparantly want to conflate them.

You're reading way more into what I said than I meant. All I was saying is that if there was a choice of giving someone a break on tuition, I'd give it to legal out of state students rather than illegals. I'm not saying out of state students should actually get in state tuition (with limited exceptions others have noted for neighboring states and such) and I agree it's unrealistic to think that'll happen, just that I'd go that direction before giving in state tuition to someone who isn't even in this country legally. I'm not into punishing anyone, but rather, given limited resources to fund higher education scholarships/tuition breaks, they should go to people who are here legally. You give a tuition break to an illegal, and that's money that doesn't help support a legal student. You sound like one of these big spending liberals who thinks money grows on trees and there never was a case of spending that wasn't warranted and that every possible benefit (such as college education) is a right that it's monstrous to not fund for them. Stop making my simple statement into something more than it is.

Priceless, did you hack Old Pio's account or something?

 

[Bob Gray]

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In the past you have referred to them as "anchor babies" have you not? And your contention was that they were not to be considered legal US citizens. As such, it would seem to me that they are not to be afforded in-state tuition. Or has your opinion evolved since that debate?

Your memory is faulty. The law is what it is, and the anchor babies are U.S. citizens. If they are U.S. citizens, they get treated just like all U.S. citizens. That's the law, which I support being enforced, unlike a lot of folks.

My point on the anchor babies was that the system is abused by people who just slip across the border illegally to have a baby and then go back, just so the baby can grab U.S. citizenship. I guess a lot of folks think we should just open the borders and let the entire world in to live here, no holds barred, and do whatever they want. The existing system to deal with legal immigration is a nightmare of bureaucracy and holds up legitimate people trying to work through the system for years on end. It just encourages people to come across legally because it's such a mess to try to work through the system.

 

[Priceless]

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Your memory is faulty. The law is what it is, and the anchor babies are U.S. citizens. If they are U.S. citizens, they get treated just like all U.S. citizens. That's the law, which I support being enforced, unlike a lot of folks.

My point on the anchor babies was that the system is abused by people who just slip across the border illegally to have a baby and then go back, just so the baby can grab U.S. citizenship. I guess a lot of folks think we should just open the borders and let the entire world in to live here, no holds barred, and do whatever they want. The existing system to deal with legal immigration is a nightmare of bureaucracy and holds up legitimate people trying to work through the system for years on end. It just encourages people to come across legally because it's such a mess to try to work through the system.

My memory is Swiss Cheese, but in this case it is working fine. You don't approve of the law that makes "anchor babies" citizens (you might even support such a change in the law?), but recognize that it is so right now. That is a fair and consistent opinion. Thank you for taking the time to answer the question.

 

[Bob Gray]

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My memory is Swiss Cheese, but in this case it is working fine. You don't approve of the law that makes "anchor babies" citizens (you might even support such a change in the law?), but recognize that it is so right now. That is a fair and consistent opinion. Thank you for taking the time to answer the question.

Glad to clarify. There are a lot of issues like this that I think reasonable people can reach different conclusions on.

 

[geezer]

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What's this? We've got Big Bill Clinton running around singing Mitt Romney's praises, saying that he had a "sterling business career." This is WAY out of line with the official Democrat Party line, articulated by President Barack Obama, that Romney is a "vampire" who rises at night to feast on the blood of living victims. One of them has to be wrong, maybe Bill's getting senile like Reagan was when he won the Cold War.

 

[Priceless]

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What's this? We've got Big Bill Clinton running around singing Mitt Romney's praises, saying that he had a "sterling business career." This is WAY out of line with the official Democrat Party line, articulated by President Barack Obama, that Romney is a "vampire" who rises at night to feast on the blood of living victims. One of them has to be wrong, maybe Bill's getting senile like Reagan was when he won the Cold War.

They're both right. Romney's business was as a vulture (not vampire) capitalist and he was very good at what he did.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I wonder if Clinton will get chastised back into line the way the Newark mayor was?

 

[pirate]

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What's this? We've got Big Bill Clinton running around singing Mitt Romney's praises, saying that he had a "sterling business career." This is WAY out of line with the official Democrat Party line, articulated by President Barack Obama, that Romney is a "vampire" who rises at night to feast on the blood of living victims. One of them has to be wrong, maybe Bill's getting senile like Reagan was when he won the Cold War.

only people who worked in businesses in which no person has ever lost money nor anyone ever ended up unemployed are good business people in the eyes of The Profit Haters...of course the only group of people this would apply to would be the government...they don't have a bottom line and they only grow in staff size.

Doesn't matter if you are Borders books, GM, Circuit City, DuPont, J Prettyman, ESPN Zone, Blockbuster Video or anybody else...the nature of the beast is that markets change and business must change with it. That means that people will lose money, make money, lose jobs and get jobs.

It is unfortunate that some companies can't contain costs and/or can't continue to grow market share and have to reduce expense (which usually means people). In some instances, that preserves hundreds or thousands of remaining jobs that could have been lost had nothing been done to get expenses in line. Now, some cry foul because profits may result...well, you wouldn't cut until you break even and then stop. But those people hate profits of any type because profits mean somebody is making money and that is just BAD, BAD, BAD. You have to keep the mindset of the beholder a priority...if you've never seen jobs reduced because the government can just operate at a deficit, then you are indignant when somebody else does it.

What's next, complaining that some people go to Vegas and lose money?

 

[Kepler]

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But those people hate profits of any type because profits mean somebody is making money and that is just BAD, BAD, BAD.

The Germans? Forget it. He's rolling.

 

[Priceless]

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Hurling Acid at women in Afghanistan

Over 8,000 instances of violence against women were recorded in Pakistan last year, according to the Aurat Foundation, a women's rights organization.

Of those documented, 44 were acid attacks, many perpetrated by assailants on motorbikes who drove up to victims on the street and threw acid on their faces and bodies, sometimes burning the skin off to the point of melting bone. Other attacks took place inside homes and are categorized as domestic abuse. Throwing acid on women has become a common punishment for those who have insulted or dishonored their husbands in some way.

Fortunately that isn't something we need to worry about here.

Oh. That should certainly help the level of discourse.

Jay Townsend, a campaign spokesman for Republican Rep. Nan Hayworth (NY-19) has ignited a controversy after he said, "Let's hurl some acid" at female Democratic senators.

Townsend's comments (which have since been removed) were posted Thursday on a local Facebook discussion forum for New York's 19th congressional district. Townsend was responding to comments made by a commenter named "Tom" during an online debate over gas prices. Townsend wrote:

"Listen to Tom. What a little bee he has in his bonnet. Buzz Buzz. My question today … when is Tommy boy going to weigh in on all the Lilly Ledbetter hypocrites who claim to be fighting the War on Women? Let's hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators who won't abide the mandates they want to impose on the private sector."

Hayworth's office has not yet responded to requests for comment on the matter.

Townsend is described on his own personal website an "adept wordsmith," and is far from a political newcomer. In 2010, he was the Republican nominee in the U.S. Senate race against Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer. Townsend eventually lost that race by 18 points. He has worked on more than 300 campaigns in 25 different states, according to his website.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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That's... disgusting.

Congratulations, Jay, at making your party look even worse when it comes to women's issues. As if it could get any worse...

 

[duper]

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Awhile back, there was discussion about how difficult it was to terminate teachers for cause....here are some statistics from New York City:





Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio...ng_pervs_zkQQsZS58mykZfHS8k1yLK#ixzz1wV2HTK9s

Of those who weren't fired, I wonder how many were offered contracts the following year.

 

[Old Pio]

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Hurling Acid at women in Afghanistan



Fortunately that isn't something we need to worry about here.

Oh. That should certainly help the level of discourse.

What would help the level of discourse is for you to stop being a putz and start attributing your "quotes."

 

[Old Pio]

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That's... disgusting.

Congratulations, Jay, at making your party look even worse when it comes to women's issues. As if it could get any worse...

Stupid is as stupid does. I wonder if they've heard about this in the "Polish death camps," where many of the inmates speak "Austrian" and they don't have nearly enough medical "corpsemen?" This thing is going viral. Pretty soon people in all "57 states" will know about it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I wonder if they've heard about this in the "Polish death camps," where many of the inmates speak "Austrian" and they don't have nearly enough medical "corpsemen?" This thing is going viral. Pretty soon people in all "57 states" will know about it.

Not sure what you're getting at here. A man who is part of a political team, for a Republican, made an inappropriate comment about women. This is the same party that has such a bad reputation with women already. A party that had arguably their most vocal representative call a woman a slut on national radio. A party that is labeled, justifiably or not, as trying to prevent women from having access to birth control. A party that cares more about what's going on in a woman's vagina than what's going on in the economy.

The Republican brain trust has some serious work to do if they ever want to win over the women of this country.

 

[Slap Shot]

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If the president or his administration has policies that affect the supply of domestically produced crude or implements policies that impose additional regulations on the crude oil industry then, yes, he can.

Except this administration doesn't have said policies. How many refining permit requests have been denied the past 2 years? 6? 15? More importantly it's been demonstrated time and time again an increase in production and/or refining within the US will not measurably reduce US prices of a globally traded commodity.

 

[Old Pio]

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Not sure what you're getting at here. A man who is part of a political team, for a Republican, made an inappropriate comment about women. This is the same party that has such a bad reputation with women already. A party that had arguably their most vocal representative call a woman a slut on national radio. A party that is labeled, justifiably or not, as trying to prevent women from having access to birth control. A party that cares more about what's going on in a woman's vagina than what's going on in the economy.

The Republican brain trust has some serious work to do if they ever want to win over the women of this country.

What I'm getting at is this guy is an idiot, he's the press secretary to an unknown Republican congressman. Hardly a major figure. Conversely, our beloved president (the smartest guy in any room) can step on his johnson over and over and over again and it's yawn time. He can also fight strenuously to keep his college transcripts from being released, again, yawns.

We can count on the Democrats to try to pump enough air into this clown to make him into the re-incarnation of Bob Taft. But it won't fly. Besides, didn't I see some polling data recently that indicated Romney was doing much better with women? Perhaps the Republican reputation among women is more a figment of David Axelrod's imagination than reality. I'm pretty sure most of the ladies are smart enough to differentiate between this NY twerp and the nominee of the party. Similarly, since His Magnificentness can't run on his record, we're hearing all the hot air about how Romney should "disavow" Donald Trump, or something. How about His Panderness "disavow" Bill Maher (among others) who called Sarah Palin a "tw*t" and gave a million bucks to His Oneness' campaign?

You really have internalized their talking points, haven't you? I don't listen to Limbaugh, and don't care what he says, about anything. He's an entertainer. And not a "representative" of the party, vocal or otherwise. This is a common meme among Democrats, going all the way back to Bill Clinton, who blamed Limbaugh for Oklahoma City. He shouldn't have used that language to refer to a middle aged law student who wants me to pay for her birth control. But she should also pay for her own birth control. Or perhaps her various lovers. As we learned after her photo op, Walmart and others offer generics at very reasonable prices. I won't even touch the "vagina" comment, except to say it's His Failureness who has the motivation to talk about anything but the economy, including a phony "war on women."