Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

[LynahFan]

Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

Fishy I believe the program I watched (Dateline or something like that) was specific to NYC. As I'm genuinly curious about this and don't remember it as well as some other stories I'd watched, I'm curious who's still on the payroll in NYC despite a conviction for say banging a student. Usually that's a one way ticket to unemployment but again if there's some stories out there I'd certainly take a look.

The standard should not be a conviction in a court of law. If the school has its own proof, they should not have to wait for the case to work its way through the court before firing the teacher.

 

[Rover]

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The standard should not be a conviction in a court of law. If the school has its own proof, they should not have to wait for the case to work its way through the court before firing the teacher.

I'm okay with that. Again apologies for being vague, but IIRC there was something about students having no incentive to rescind an accusation while they were still at the school???

 

[pirate]

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Ms. Warren, who checked the “white” box at the University of Texas before getting in touch with her inner Cherokee when she stormed the Ivies, owes it to the people of Massachusetts to make the records of the Harvard Law hiring committee available to voters.


So, she was white when applying for school in the southwest and native american when she was applying for school in the northeast. Shame nobody asked if she was consistently classifying herself during last week's heated debate on the subject.

Accident? Calculated to be to her benefit? Enough to cement the decision or just another 'fact' that could help her cause? Did Harvard use that to make the decision?

Regardless if she was the only applicant at HLS or they never even noticed it, that is enough for me to conclude the motive behind her designation.

And that was my point to begin with.

 

[Rover]

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Ms. Warren, who checked the “white” box at the University of Texas before getting in touch with her inner Cherokee when she stormed the Ivies, owes it to the people of Massachusetts to make the records of the Harvard Law hiring committee available to voters.


So, she was white when applying for school in the southwest and native american when she was applying for school in the northeast. Shame nobody asked if she was consistently classifying herself during last week's heated debate on the subject.

Accident? Calculated to be to her benefit? Enough to cement the decision or just another 'fact' that could help her cause? Did Harvard use that to make the decision?Regardless if she was the only applicant at HLS or they never even noticed it, that is enough for me to conclude the motive behind her designation.

And that was my point to begin with.

You'd be more convincing if you'd stop asking a question that's already been answered. I highlighted it in bold to make it easy for you to figure out which misrepresentation that you can't seem to let go of is.

 

[geezer]

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You'd be more convincing if you'd stop asking a question that's already been answered. I highlighted it in bold to make it easy for you to figure out which misrepresentation that you can't seem to let go of is.

and again, your "source" for whether Harvard University did the right thing or not, is Harvard University. Completely meaningless.

 

[Old Pio]

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I've heard about this and from my understanding it has nothing to do with layabout teachers getting paid to do crossword puzzles. The problem is if a student makes an accusation against a teacher (sexual, a beatdown, etc) the school has to pull the teacher out of the classroom for obvious liability reasons. However, you can't just fire them (and here's where having a union is a good thing) based on some doped out 14 year old trying to get attention. So, they go into purgatory for awhile until it gets sorted out. I don't recall what the exact %'s are, but I believe the vast majority of accusations turn out to be bogus.

So, once again we have a situation where knuckledraggers are trying to make the teachers out to be the bad guys, when in fact they aren't responsible for these events (by and large, I'm sure some of the accusations end up being true).

Shoveling out the benefit of the doubt for union goons again, I see. If they're accused of crimes, one assumes the police are investigating, no? And there should be some data to support your blanket defense of bad teachers. It must have been with a heavy heart that you typed the phrase "I'm sure some of the accusations end up being true."

I wonder what percentage of teachers whiling away the days at taxpayer expense are the victim of false allegations by students and what percentage are simply too stupid to be allowed in the same room with impressionable kids.

I seem to recall an episode of "Law and Order" in which "rubber room" teachers whined about the unfairness of it all. All ambiguous, unproven and unprovable charges brought by ungrateful little sh*ts against dedicated, highly professional teachers. Is that about it?

 

[Priceless]

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and again, your "source" for whether Harvard University did the right thing or not, is Harvard University. Completely meaningless.

And what "source" would satisfy you?

 

[Old Pio]

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Exactly. A lot of good people have lost careers over lies from 14-year-olds. There has to be a way to make sure that teachers who mess with students are out, while also making sure that a student with a grudge over a bad grade or a detention doesn't destroy the life of a good person. Maybe New York's way isn't perfect, but I promise that unions are not the problem.

Poor, misunderstood teachers' unions.

 

[geezer]

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And what "source" would satisfy you?

and still yet again, I don't give a rat's *** if she claims to be a cherokee, kenyan, or martian. It simply doesn't matter. But what is blatantly obvious, beyond dispute, is that she did it for career advancement and personal gain, nothing more or less. It does nobody any good to defend this behavior; she got caught, let her face the music as her constituents see fit.

 

[Old Pio]

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And what "source" would satisfy you?

Well, let's start with an attributed source. Your specialty is unattributed quotes.

 

[Old Pio]

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It's a cookie-cutter problem and solution.

It's all the union's fault.
Abolish the union.
Problem solved.

Well, that might be a place to start. It certainly couldn't make the situation for kids any worse.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It's a cookie-cutter problem and solution.

It's all the union's fault.
Abolish the union.
Problem solved.

Of course. Corporate America can't be at fault.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Of course. Corporate America must be at fault.

Fixed. See how easy that was?

 

[geezer]

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Of course. Corporate America can't be at fault.

It's become very popular now to blame corporations for all evil in the world, using the word as denoting an active enemy of good. It's also extremely foolish. Stop and think: What is "Corporate America" (love the capitalization) made up of? How many of us have contact with "Corporate America" in our jobs, or in what we buy in the way of goods and services on a daily basis? You might be surprised at the answer you come to, if you're honest with yourself. "Corporate America" is not some other separate entity out there in the darkness that's trying to get you. It's us.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It's become very popular now to blame corporations for all evil in the world, using the word as denoting an active enemy of good. It's also extremely foolish. Stop and think: What is "Corporate America" (love the capitalization) made up of? How many of us have contact with "Corporate America" in our jobs, or in what we buy in the way of goods and services on a daily basis? You might be surprised at the answer you come to, if you're honest with yourself. "Corporate America" is not some other separate entity out there in the darkness that's trying to get you. It's us.

The same argument works the other way when we hear morons with picket signs chanting "Keep The Government Out of my Medicare".

Fact is we all know the history of why unions were formed in the first place, and it wasn't the workers fault.

 

[geezer]

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The same argument works the other way when we hear morons with picket signs chanting "Keep The Government Out of my Medicare".

Fact is we all know the history of why unions were formed in the first place, and it wasn't the workers fault.

agreed.

 

[Old Pio]

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The same argument works the other way when we hear morons with picket signs chanting "Keep The Government Out of my Medicare".

Fact is we all know the history of why unions were formed in the first place, and it wasn't the workers fault.

Ahhh, nostalgia. Let's all get out our Weavers albums and rip through a couple of choruses of "Union Miners," "keep your hand upon the dollar, and your eyes upon the scale." Here's something a little more up to date. The valedictory address by Bob Chanin, long time general counsel for the NEA. A thrilling recitation of the goons' dedication to educating our kids. Brought me to tears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgzBNh6kEM

 

[Rover]

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But what is blatantly obvious, beyond dispute, is that she did it for career advancement and personal gain, nothing more or less. .

Umm... no, sparky that isn't blatantly obvious nor beyond dispute. Made up scandals just don't have the same punch they used to.

 

[FreshFish]

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Obama backs off the strident class-warfare, at least for one speech, and wins John Cassidy's approval in The New Yorker.

Cassidy quotes this section of a recent BHO speech:

My view of private equity is that it is, it is set up to maximize profits and that is a healthy part of the free market, of course. That’s part of the role of a lot of business people. That is not unique to private equity. My representatives have said repeatedly and I will say today, I think there are folks who do good work in that area and there are times where they identify the capacity for the economy to create new jobs or new industries. But understand their priority is to maximize profits, and that is not always going to be good for communities or businesses or workers.

And the reason this is relevant to the campaign is that because my opponent, Governor Romney, the main calling card for why he should be President is his business experience. He is not going out there touting his experience in Massachusetts, he is saying, “I am a business guy and I know how to fix it,” and this is his business.

And when you are President as opposed to the head of a private-equity firm, then your job is not simply to maximize profits. Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair shot. Your job is to think about those workers who get laid off, and how are we paying for their retraining. Your job is to think about how those communities can start creating new clusters, so that they can attract new businesses. Your job as President is to think about how do we set up an equitable tax system so that everybody is paying their fair share, that allows us then to invest in science and technology and infrastructure, all of which are going to help us grow.

And so if your main argument for how to grow the economy is, “I knew how to make a lot of money for investors,” then you are missing what this job is about.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...ubles-down-on-bain-attacks.html#ixzz1vctCefar

 

[Rover]

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Shoveling out the benefit of the doubt for union goons again, I see. If they're accused of crimes, one assumes the police are investigating, no? And there should be some data to support your blanket defense of bad teachers. It must have been with a heavy heart that you typed the phrase "I'm sure some of the accusations end up being true."

I wonder what percentage of teachers whiling away the days at taxpayer expense are the victim of false allegations by students and what percentage are simply too stupid to be allowed in the same room with impressionable kids.

I seem to recall an episode of "Law and Order" in which "rubber room" teachers whined about the unfairness of it all. All ambiguous, unproven and unprovable charges brought by ungrateful little sh*ts against dedicated, highly professional teachers. Is that about it?

Actually I don't believe a teacher having an affair with a student of legal age is a crime. Its grounds for dismissal obviously and perhaps should be illegal but isn't and hence the police wouldn't be involved. What you're recalling is the very last episode of Law & Order which took this story when it broke a few years ago and made it into a plot about an accused teacher threatening to attack a school.

So, once again we have the possibility of a knuckledragger myth to further the War On Education. Not sure why you guys don't want people to be educated until I hear Mitch McConnell or The Boner speak and then it all makes sense. "Job banks" as in having the union negotiate a contract where laid off workers are still paid to come in all day and do nothing were a vestige of the 1980's UAW-Big 3 labor battles and have been extinct for a long time. Recall, its 2012, not 1981.