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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Why are you surrendering to Al Qaida?
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
This doesn't dictate your actions if you have a foreign policy that's not based on domestic politics.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Didnt some character in the Princess Bride tell us not to get involved in a land war in Asia.
Didnt some character in the Princess Bride tell us not to get involved in a land war in Asia.
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
He died. Sort of like shooting the messenger.
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I used to be more gung ho about finding a war now and then so we could keep our guns from rusting and give our boys some target practice to stay sharp. But now in my old age, I've come around to more of a "99 Red Balloons" school of foreign policy where I realize we're most likely, as a country, to screw up anything we touch. So we're better off with "live and let live" in almost every case.
"Everyone's a super hero, everyone's a Captain Kirk"
I used to be more gung ho about finding a war now and then so we could keep our guns from rusting and give our boys some target practice to stay sharp. But now in my old age, I've come around to more of a "99 Red Balloons" school of foreign policy where I realize we're most likely, as a country, to screw up anything we touch. So we're better off with "live and let live" in almost every case.
"Everyone's a super hero, everyone's a Captain Kirk"
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Hasn't Obummer already done so?
Hasn't Obummer already done so?
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
I guess, if by "surrendering" you mean having their leader repeatedly shot in the face with guns.
I guess, if by "surrendering" you mean having their leader repeatedly shot in the face with guns.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
No, I mean going on apology tours, bowing to Islamic leaders, and persecuting almost every other system of beliefs in the world for the sake of Islam.
Zechariah 14.
No, I mean going on apology tours, bowing to Islamic leaders, and persecuting almost every other system of beliefs in the world for the sake of Islam.
Zechariah 14.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
OMG. And our last president wanted to have a gay polygamist marriage to a Muslim!
My god, bowing to Islamic leaders is an UPGRADE.
OMG. And our last president wanted to have a gay polygamist marriage to a Muslim!
My god, bowing to Islamic leaders is an UPGRADE.
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
But, in real life, everything is calculated to garner votes. Everything.
But, in real life, everything is calculated to garner votes. Everything.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
The guys (and girls) whose job it is to win elections are certainly always whispering about "optics," but there's a huge difference between making decisions based on domestic politics and making decisions based on foreign policy theory and then announcing and framing the decision based on domestic politics. The latter is just good politics. The former, when it happens (which in foreign policy is actually a lot less often than people would suspect) is bad governance.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Diplomacy seems to be a foreign word since the last admin forgot all of the rules to practice it. SOmetimes it is more effective to stop rattling your saber, say nice things in the open and say what you really mean behind closed doors. That is what used to happen and it worked pretty well for yrs.
I know this is old but it makes me chuckle every time. The wave the big stick worked so well for us I think we should go back to itOMG. And our last president wanted to have a gay polygamist marriage to a Muslim!
My god, bowing to Islamic leaders is an UPGRADE.
Diplomacy seems to be a foreign word since the last admin forgot all of the rules to practice it. SOmetimes it is more effective to stop rattling your saber, say nice things in the open and say what you really mean behind closed doors. That is what used to happen and it worked pretty well for yrs.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
You meant, "Stuff that didn't happen" for $400, Alex.
You meant, "Stuff that didn't happen" for $400, Alex.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
His bow was to the Japanese Prime Minister. The Japanese Prime Minister is not Muslim.
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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
So now he's surrendering to the Japanese! I'm sure that makes all the Pearl Harbor survivors happy!
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IIRC, it was HIM the emperor.
IIRC, it was HIM the emperor.
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St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils
Regardless, it was in Japan. I really think people make too much of it. IMO, he was simply showing too much courtesy to the dignitary whose country he was visiting, overcompensating for what he saw as a lack of courtesy shown by GWB's administration to world leaders. People are making mountains out of mole hills, both what Pres. Obama did and the public's reaction to it.
I thought the title of Emperor had been removed from Japan after the war. I had originally wrote the Emperor, but then changed it to PM because of that.
Regardless, it was in Japan. I really think people make too much of it. IMO, he was simply showing too much courtesy to the dignitary whose country he was visiting, overcompensating for what he saw as a lack of courtesy shown by GWB's administration to world leaders. People are making mountains out of mole hills, both what Pres. Obama did and the public's reaction to it.
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The dynasty lives on. In fact, it was our assurances that they could keep the emperor that at the end of the day persuaded Hirohito to order them to surrender. The current emperor is his son and he and his family live in the magnificent imperial palace which we avoided bombing. The emperor is held in extremely high regard, I would say more so than Elizabeth. Although neither has any political power. Japan has a parliamentary system, like Great Britain.
When I was working GI radio in Tokyo you never referred to "Emperor Hirohito" or "Crown Prince Akahito." Instead, you referred to "His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor" and "His Imperial Highness the Crown Prince." Never anything else. Ever.
I'm not sure how Bush' alleged lack of courtesy to other world leaders (even if true) is ameliorated by over compensating to the Emperor of Japan. Our president is not a subject of the Emperor and should not place himself (and by exension the United States) in any position other than equal. Polite, deferential, a slight nod of the head, but not a full on bow. Just like in the Olympics, when our flag is not dipped for any earthly ruler, including in '36 for the Austrian paper hanger.
Early in the occupation, MacArthur insisted Hirohito come to him. And the photograph of their meeting, with MacArthur towering over the Emperor as much as anything showed the Japanese people that the old order had changed, forever.
The dynasty lives on. In fact, it was our assurances that they could keep the emperor that at the end of the day persuaded Hirohito to order them to surrender. The current emperor is his son and he and his family live in the magnificent imperial palace which we avoided bombing. The emperor is held in extremely high regard, I would say more so than Elizabeth. Although neither has any political power. Japan has a parliamentary system, like Great Britain.
When I was working GI radio in Tokyo you never referred to "Emperor Hirohito" or "Crown Prince Akahito." Instead, you referred to "His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor" and "His Imperial Highness the Crown Prince." Never anything else. Ever.
I'm not sure how Bush' alleged lack of courtesy to other world leaders (even if true) is ameliorated by over compensating to the Emperor of Japan. Our president is not a subject of the Emperor and should not place himself (and by exension the United States) in any position other than equal. Polite, deferential, a slight nod of the head, but not a full on bow. Just like in the Olympics, when our flag is not dipped for any earthly ruler, including in '36 for the Austrian paper hanger.
Early in the occupation, MacArthur insisted Hirohito come to him. And the photograph of their meeting, with MacArthur towering over the Emperor as much as anything showed the Japanese people that the old order had changed, forever.
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