Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

[Gurtholfin]

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You can't walk out of a marriage without going through legal hoops. You can easily walk out of an LTMR.

Still doesn't make it "promiscuity."

 

[ericredaxe]

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Good Lord, talk about derp. Hope you broke out the ceremonial tinfoil for that statement.

Over time I believe you will see more people "protesting" vaccines because as time goes on there will be fewer and fewer people around who actually ever saw what polio, measles etc etc can do.

 

[Rover]

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When's the last time you saw a news story on STDs?

Exactly.

I don't know but I'm not sure more prime time news coverage is going to make a difference. If such data exists I'd be curious who's being affected by this "flare up" for lack of a better term. Single people? Teens? People stepping out on their spouses? Call girl customers? Subway perverts? My point is perhaps some micro-targeting might be better at reaching the people more at risk than a lead story on Fox/NBC/NPR/Barney and friends.

 

[bronconick]

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Baby boomers and Gen-Xers are absolutely insistent upon punishing Gen-Y for something they didn't do, and only because Baby boomers and Gen-Xers happened to be stupid. Gen-Y then acts out because, if they're going to be punished, they might as well do something to deserve it.

 

[DisplacedCornellian]

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What else do you think caused it? Gnomes?

Typical libtard with absolutely no sense of what actually happens in the world...

http://www.naturalnews.com/022384_mandatory_vaccinations_vaccination.html

And it's not even a knuckledragger website. It's much closer to your libtard beliefs than you'd think.

When did FlagDude become OldPio lite?

 

[joecct]

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Still doesn't make it "promiscuity."

You may think it out of date and outmoded and hopelessly out of touch with reality, but read this. 43 years on and many of the predictions are true. Particularly read Section 17.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You can't walk out of a marriage without going through legal hoops. You can easily walk out of an LTMR.

And marriage is ingrained on the human psyche for a heck of a long time. Society (until recently) valued marriage highly, desired that marriages be stable and gave financial advantages to married couples over those, to use a vulgar term, "shacking up".

The current world is not the world that my parents and their parents and on back grew up in. Morality should not be redefined every 10-20 years.

You added text after I replied the first time...

Promiscuity means you're sleeping around. It's used as a derogatory term. Are you really going to blanket statement everyone who has sex out of wedlock with that?

I think that my wife would be shocked to find out that I had been "promiscuous" for the 2.5 years that we dated before we were married.

So part of why marriage is great and why sex within it is morally better is that there are legal hoops associated with it? Because it's a contract? Funny, but when I think of the reasons that my marriage is a good thing, that never crosses my mind.

 

[ericredaxe]

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You may think it out of date and outmoded and hopelessly out of touch with reality, but read this. 43 years on and many of the predictions are true. Particularly read Section 17.

You are right. Section 17 is hopelessly out of touch with reality. I think it is offensive that someone would insinuate that because my wife uses birth control that we are more likely to cheat on each other. Furthermore I think it is vile and disgusting to insinuate that I think my wife is an "instrument of satisfaction" rather than a loving partner because we use birth control.

 

[Kepler]

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Morality should not be redefined every 10-20 years.

It is, though, and it always has been. Morality changes all the time, which is one of the reasons why the attempt to nail it down as immutable is doomed.

 

[joecct]

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You are right. Section 17 is hopelessly out of touch with reality. I think it is offensive that someone would insinuate that because my wife uses birth control that we are more likely to cheat on each other. Furthermore I think it is vile and disgusting to insinuate that I think my wife is an "instrument of satisfaction" rather than a loving partner because we use birth control.

But think of the porn industry, comments by one of our posters who called a TV persona a "cum slut", another poster who impregnated 4 different women, rap music about "*****es and Ho's", etc. etc. If that's not denigration of women, then I'm missing something?

 

[Kepler]

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Careful. That horse is pretty high.

 

[Bob Gray]

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But think of the porn industry, comments by one of our posters who called a TV persona a "cum slut", another poster who impregnated 4 different women, rap music about "*****es and Ho's", etc. etc. If that's not denigration of women, then I'm missing something?

Don't talk logic to this crowd. Of course that's all denigration of women. And to many it's just fine. Those of us who think such things aren't fine are a shrinking crowd. Thus our society becomes ever more vulgar, obscene, and crude. Sadly, one of our most common exports is our vulgarity, obscenity, and crudeness.

 

[ericredaxe]

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But think of the porn industry, comments by one of our posters who called a TV persona a "cum slut", another poster who impregnated 4 different women, rap music about "*****es and Ho's", etc. etc. If that's not denigration of women, then I'm missing something?

And you equate these things to a couple using birth control, having sex in a long term monagomous relationship?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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When did FlagDude become OldPio lite?

I only learn from the best.

 

[Rover]

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That's great!

Question for all your self righteous righties. Did any of you get laid before you were married? Simple question, and I don't expect a public answer, but I'm just wondering if the Moral Majority out here actually walked the walk. Otherwise you're Rush Limbaugh talking about the sanctity of marriage when he's on his 4th one by age 60.

 

[Bob Gray]

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That's great!

Question for all your self righteous righties. Did any of you get laid before you were married? Simple question, and I don't expect a public answer, but I'm just wondering if the Moral Majority out here actually walked the walk. Otherwise you're Rush Limbaugh talking about the sanctity of marriage when he's on his 4th one by age 60.

I'm not a Limbaugh fan. Any other questions?

 

[Old Pio]

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In response to a diminishing number of requests, let me state my opinion on class room sex education: although it's efficacy may or may not justify it, I have no problem with it. I grew up in a household with a copy of the Kinsey Report on our bookshelves so I may not be typical. But any attempt to gloss over the "facts" of human sexuality, to focus on abstinence only, is, IMO a total waste of time. I have never been much of a believer in ignorance as a teaching tool.

To suggest that Miss Plimsol putting a condom on a cucumber will get the kids "thinking about it" is absurd. The kids are "thinking about it" (and far too many of them are doing something about it) 24/7. We live in a culture saturated with sex, and there's no going back. So clinical descriptions aren't going to impress youngsters who can spend all day long on porn sites if they want. Or who send "sexts" with their naughty bits exposed. It may just be, however, that some kids (who think they're so d*mn smart about everything) might actually learn something that could prevent a pregnancy or STD. The "values" abstinence only types want to instill, while important, are better left to family and clergy.

As a doctor's kid, I'm a big believer in vaccinations. The "high ignorance" campaign against vaccinations by people who really should know better, is disgraceful. And puts at risk kids other than the ones not vaccinated. I'm old enough to remember the feeling of what a blessing Dr. Salk had bestowed on humanity with his vaccine to prevent polio. My old man gave me my injections in the kitchen, in return for which, he allowed me to give him the shots. The horror of polio has faded. But think of a perfectly healthy kid going out for a day at the community pool. Coming home complaining of sniffles. Going to bed and waking up the next morning paralyzed. That was polio. And every parent, every parent, was terrified.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm not a Limbaugh fan. Any other questions?

You just don't get it Bob. Anyone who opposes libstain nonsense has be a Limbaugh fan, hang on every Hannity word and light candles to O'Reilly. We're all stupid, so we've got to be led. And racist, too. I'm surprised you're still surprised by the bigotry and prejudices of the deep thinkers on the left.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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In response to a diminishing number of requests, let me state my opinion on class room sex education: although it's efficacy may or may not justify it, I have no problem with it. I grew up in a household with a copy of the Kinsey Report on our bookshelves so I may not be typical. But any attempt to gloss over the "facts" of human sexuality, to focus on abstinence only, is, IMO a total waste of time. I have never been much of a believer in ignorance as a teaching tool.

To suggest that Miss Plimsol putting a condom on a cucumber will get the kids "thinking about it" is absurd. The kids are "thinking about it" (and far too many of them are doing something about it) 24/7. We live in a culture saturated with sex, and there's no going back. So clinical descriptions aren't going to impress youngsters who can spend all day long on porn sites if they want. Or who send "sexts" with their naughty bits exposed. It may just be, however, that some kids (who think they're so d*mn smart about everything) might actually learn something that could prevent a pregnancy or STD. The "values" abstinence only types want to instill, while important, are better left to family and clergy.

As a doctor's kid, I'm a big believer in vaccinations. The "high ignorance" campaign against vaccinations by people who really should know better, is disgraceful. And puts at risk kids other than the ones not vaccinated. I'm old enough to remember the feeling of what a blessing Dr. Salk had bestowed on humanity with his vaccine to prevent polio. My old man gave me my injections in the kitchen, in return for which, he allowed me to give him the shots. The horror of polio has faded. But think of a perfectly healthy kid going out for a day at the community pool. Coming home complaining of sniffles. Going to bed and waking up the next morning paralyzed. That was polio. And every parent, every parent, was terrified.

If you want to teach about what can happen with sexual intercourse and prevention methods, there's nothing wrong with that. But, as Jack Webb always said, "Just the facts." Schools should not be forcing children into certain beliefs, nor forcing them into certain "preventive measures". Mandating vaccinations is no better than forcing abstinence-only education.

 

[unofan]

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Over time I believe you will see more people "protesting" vaccines because as time goes on there will be fewer and fewer people around who actually ever saw what polio, measles etc etc can do.

Whooping Cough and measles are already making a comeback in certain pockets of the country.

Personally, I have no sympathy for vaccine derpers and their ilk. It's not simply a personal choice, you're actively putting others at harm by risking humanity's herd immunity.