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Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial
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Gurtholfin
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I never said they were off limits. That's what politics is now and it's got you folks all riled up now that the Dems have joined you in playing dirty, or playing to win.
It's pretty funny that so many of you forget what your party did to McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. Not that Kerry didn't deserve it as he's a buffoon and it's the Dems own fault for not coming up with a better candidate. You know who reminds me a lot of Kerry? Mittens!
I never said they were off limits. That's what politics is now and it's got you folks all riled up now that the Dems have joined you in playing dirty, or playing to win.
It's pretty funny that so many of you forget what your party did to McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. Not that Kerry didn't deserve it as he's a buffoon and it's the Dems own fault for not coming up with a better candidate. You know who reminds me a lot of Kerry? Mittens!
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Somebody ought to go in there and shoot them. They're a "hate" group, right?
Somebody ought to go in there and shoot them. They're a "hate" group, right?
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I love it. The ultimate tu quoque argument "now that." Didn't this cheap Chicago ward healer portray himself as above all that? Or was I thinking about some other cheap Chicago ward healer?
Whatever comparisons you'd like to make between Kerry and Romney are limited by the fact that Romney made his own money (instead of marrying it) and Romney didn't betray an entire generation of American servicemen for his own advancement.
I love it. The ultimate tu quoque argument "now that." Didn't this cheap Chicago ward healer portray himself as above all that? Or was I thinking about some other cheap Chicago ward healer?
Whatever comparisons you'd like to make between Kerry and Romney are limited by the fact that Romney made his own money (instead of marrying it) and Romney didn't betray an entire generation of American servicemen for his own advancement.
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Gurtholfin
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Romney betrayed plenty of people and made a swift-boatload of money in the process.
But that's not what I meant.
Just like Kerry before him, Romney is HORRIBLE in the spotlight and makes similar gaffes over and over. Romney seems to form his convictions based on the wind. Wasn't Kerry accused of the same?
Romney seems incapable of defining himself and allows others to set the narrative. A good part of this is due to his own lack of resolve when it comes to taking a stand. He's too worried about what people, or at least a majority of people, will think.
They're also both rich east coast snobs.
Two political buffoons. It's hard to believe that both made it to a nomination.
Romney betrayed plenty of people and made a swift-boatload of money in the process.
But that's not what I meant.
Just like Kerry before him, Romney is HORRIBLE in the spotlight and makes similar gaffes over and over. Romney seems to form his convictions based on the wind. Wasn't Kerry accused of the same?
Romney seems incapable of defining himself and allows others to set the narrative. A good part of this is due to his own lack of resolve when it comes to taking a stand. He's too worried about what people, or at least a majority of people, will think.
They're also both rich east coast snobs.
Two political buffoons. It's hard to believe that both made it to a nomination.
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You can have Thurston Howell III. At least Romney never used botox. And it's pretty neat the way you've conflated various libstain nocturnal emissions into your post. In your world, apparantly, "betraying" people means they lost their jobs. The days when five or six generations of the men in a family could work "at the mill" are gone. Jobs are lost and created everyday. The trick is to have the latter figure exceed the former.
Even if I accept your argument (which I don't) there is no moral equivalency between smearing a generation of GIs for personal advancement and what Bain did or did not do. For some reason, the Bain success stories are never mentioned. Just that lying union a*shole (and His Oneness' campaign) who blames Romney for his wife's cancer.
As I've said before, I do agree with Kerry on one thing. He said anyone who voted against the defense authorization which funded the troops during the Iraq war among other things "didn't deserve to be president." On final passage, he was among a tiny handful who voted "no." Thus confirming his unfitness.
It's a good thing His Panderness isn't worried "about what people will think," isn't it? Gay marriage anyne? Anyone?
You can have Thurston Howell III. At least Romney never used botox. And it's pretty neat the way you've conflated various libstain nocturnal emissions into your post. In your world, apparantly, "betraying" people means they lost their jobs. The days when five or six generations of the men in a family could work "at the mill" are gone. Jobs are lost and created everyday. The trick is to have the latter figure exceed the former.
Even if I accept your argument (which I don't) there is no moral equivalency between smearing a generation of GIs for personal advancement and what Bain did or did not do. For some reason, the Bain success stories are never mentioned. Just that lying union a*shole (and His Oneness' campaign) who blames Romney for his wife's cancer.
As I've said before, I do agree with Kerry on one thing. He said anyone who voted against the defense authorization which funded the troops during the Iraq war among other things "didn't deserve to be president." On final passage, he was among a tiny handful who voted "no." Thus confirming his unfitness.
It's a good thing His Panderness isn't worried "about what people will think," isn't it? Gay marriage anyne? Anyone?
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Or a troll. They often look the same.
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That's the problem with conservatives. They're wimps. They want every candidate to be Kerry or Dukakis who sits by and does nothing while facing personal attacks. When somebody like Clinton or Obama kicks them in the teeth its all "oh boo hoo hoo. I didn't expect the Dems to hit back" and other such nonsense. Its pretty d @ mn funny if you ask me!
That's the problem with conservatives. They're wimps. They want every candidate to be Kerry or Dukakis who sits by and does nothing while facing personal attacks. When somebody like Clinton or Obama kicks them in the teeth its all "oh boo hoo hoo. I didn't expect the Dems to hit back" and other such nonsense. Its pretty d @ mn funny if you ask me!
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Very tiny brain pan. Help me out here. Is it conservatives who are still whining, a quarter of a century later, about Willie Horton?
Very tiny brain pan. Help me out here. Is it conservatives who are still whining, a quarter of a century later, about Willie Horton?
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Foxton
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duper
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The guy who keeps libstains wetting their beds.
The guy who keeps libstains wetting their beds.
duper
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Did I say "all"? But just last week somebody was on here whining about Horton and how that justifies calling Romney a murderer.
Apparently not.
Did I say "all"? But just last week somebody was on here whining about Horton and how that justifies calling Romney a murderer.
ericredaxe
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The wind is an understatement. The Romney I voted for in 1994 and 2002 seems very different than the Romney we are seeing now.
As far as each of them getting to the nomination, they really didn't have that tough of a road to get there. I mean look at who they had to defeat... Howard Dean and Dick Gephart? Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum? Really in the primaries the choice was pretty obvious.
The wind is an understatement. The Romney I voted for in 1994 and 2002 seems very different than the Romney we are seeing now.
As far as each of them getting to the nomination, they really didn't have that tough of a road to get there. I mean look at who they had to defeat... Howard Dean and Dick Gephart? Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum? Really in the primaries the choice was pretty obvious.
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I'm sure you have fond memories of the 1988 election as its the last time the GOP has managed to win 300 electoral votes and can be considered the bookend on a knuckledragger era of Republican Presidencies. 1993-2017 after The O wins re-election will be 4 out of 6 for Dems. Maybe more when the Perry-Bachmann ticket runs in 2016.
Interesting that in the latest polling Akin is no worse than even money to win the election. That's why all this talk of him dropping out is stupid. The guy represents typical conservative thought, not some far right position. Could he win in every state? No, but he's running in Missouri. All he needs is for most conservatives to either 1) agree with him which they seem to, or 2) not consider what he believes to be that big of a deal. I'll say again its time for people to come to the realization that Akin personifies today's conservative Republican party. No, he doesn't speak for Scott Brown or Susan Collins, but he does speak for most of the GOP caucus. Note he hasn't backed down from what he actually said. All of you thinking this is horrific and how can he possibly stay in the race might be in for a surprise. I've seen nothing yet that this is fatal to the guy with the general electorate in Missouri. He's not the first GOP Senate candidate to advocate this position.
I'm sure you have fond memories of the 1988 election as its the last time the GOP has managed to win 300 electoral votes and can be considered the bookend on a knuckledragger era of Republican Presidencies. 1993-2017 after The O wins re-election will be 4 out of 6 for Dems. Maybe more when the Perry-Bachmann ticket runs in 2016.
Interesting that in the latest polling Akin is no worse than even money to win the election. That's why all this talk of him dropping out is stupid. The guy represents typical conservative thought, not some far right position. Could he win in every state? No, but he's running in Missouri. All he needs is for most conservatives to either 1) agree with him which they seem to, or 2) not consider what he believes to be that big of a deal. I'll say again its time for people to come to the realization that Akin personifies today's conservative Republican party. No, he doesn't speak for Scott Brown or Susan Collins, but he does speak for most of the GOP caucus. Note he hasn't backed down from what he actually said. All of you thinking this is horrific and how can he possibly stay in the race might be in for a surprise. I've seen nothing yet that this is fatal to the guy with the general electorate in Missouri. He's not the first GOP Senate candidate to advocate this position.
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Kepler
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Let's assume partisans are applying spin to everything, particularly in an election year. There is still a bedrock of objective fact that both sides are forced to accept, however unpalatable. Either that or there's no possibility of debate and this is all just cynical or deranged fans shouting their team is better.
I'll say it once more and then drop it: in their practical effect on rape victims Ryan's and Akin's positions are the same. That's not trying to imply any universal equivalence between Ryan and Akin, but if people are concerned about the consequences of Akin's position on rape victims then they are by definition also concerned about the consequences of Ryan's position on rape victims. That isn't political calculation, it's predicate calculus.
Let's assume partisans are applying spin to everything, particularly in an election year. There is still a bedrock of objective fact that both sides are forced to accept, however unpalatable. Either that or there's no possibility of debate and this is all just cynical or deranged fans shouting their team is better.
I'll say it once more and then drop it: in their practical effect on rape victims Ryan's and Akin's positions are the same. That's not trying to imply any universal equivalence between Ryan and Akin, but if people are concerned about the consequences of Akin's position on rape victims then they are by definition also concerned about the consequences of Ryan's position on rape victims. That isn't political calculation, it's predicate calculus.
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ericredaxe
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Actually Ryan and Akin's positions appear to be what the official republican platform will be. According to CNN:
Actually Ryan and Akin's positions appear to be what the official republican platform will be. According to CNN:
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Its even more than Ryan. The official GOP platform takes the same position. This is mainstream Republicanism now. Guys like Bob trying to deny what people like Ryan and his party are on public record as supporting only look like idiots, and as the old saying goes, there's no reasoning with idiots.
Its even more than Ryan. The official GOP platform takes the same position. This is mainstream Republicanism now. Guys like Bob trying to deny what people like Ryan and his party are on public record as supporting only look like idiots, and as the old saying goes, there's no reasoning with idiots.
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