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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Where have you been the last 2 threads?
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Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
And Romney "killed" her five or six years after her husband's plant was closed. I assume His Panderness wouldn't want that standard applied to workers at GM dealerships who lost THEIR jobs.
And Romney "killed" her five or six years after her husband's plant was closed. I assume His Panderness wouldn't want that standard applied to workers at GM dealerships who lost THEIR jobs.
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
I'm more than happy to educate you Fishy. You certainly need it and like a good liberal I'm always here to help. You could work on your manners a little bit when you ask for something but no big deal...
Question: How does raising taxes on the rich solve any problems?
Answer: Country's ability to pay its obligations has fallen out of whack from balanced yearly budgets of late 1990's pre Bush II era (no, he doesn't get credit for his first year which he inherited Clinton's budget). This has happened for several reasons. 1) Economic slowdown, 2) Gimmicky tax cuts, and 3) Spending, primarily on wars.
So, putting aside #1 for a minute, lets take the second one. Get rid of idiotic Bush tax cuts, which include tax reductions on the rich to raise revenues more in line with spending. Notion that this will kill economy is stark raving stupid, as economy was booming the last time these rates were in place. By merely canning top level ones approx 300B can be raised to close approx 1T a year deficit.
#3) Spending: Winding down wartime spending plus other military reductions nets another 250B. Don't need two zillion bases around the world nor next generation fighter that is billions over budget. Need to find another 200B in cuts to domestic programs which can be found by eliminating needless farm subsidies, oil tax breaks, tort reform and fraud crackdown on Medicare/Medicaid, etc.
Back to #1) Economic growth even at 2% should make up the difference to get yearly budget back in balance. Why does this matter? Because with most other countries in the world either economic basket cases or unstable dictatorships investors need a safe haven to invest their money. Like the 1990's with US fiscal house in order say hello to economic growth and markets crave stability, especially in this day and age. With the influx of revenue + spending reductions job producing programs of energy independence (tax credit for mandatory switchover of trucking industry to natural gas) and cleaning up mortgage mess (allowing homeowners who's mortgages are owned by govt agencies to refinance at today's rates if they're current on their payments) can be brought to fruition. By raising taxes on people who clearly aren't investing their extra tax break money back into the US or we'd be living in boomtimes these last 12 years, you fulfill one piece of the three legged stool of getting the economy back on track.
I'm more than happy to educate you Fishy. You certainly need it and like a good liberal I'm always here to help. You could work on your manners a little bit when you ask for something but no big deal...
Question: How does raising taxes on the rich solve any problems?
Answer: Country's ability to pay its obligations has fallen out of whack from balanced yearly budgets of late 1990's pre Bush II era (no, he doesn't get credit for his first year which he inherited Clinton's budget). This has happened for several reasons. 1) Economic slowdown, 2) Gimmicky tax cuts, and 3) Spending, primarily on wars.
So, putting aside #1 for a minute, lets take the second one. Get rid of idiotic Bush tax cuts, which include tax reductions on the rich to raise revenues more in line with spending. Notion that this will kill economy is stark raving stupid, as economy was booming the last time these rates were in place. By merely canning top level ones approx 300B can be raised to close approx 1T a year deficit.
#3) Spending: Winding down wartime spending plus other military reductions nets another 250B. Don't need two zillion bases around the world nor next generation fighter that is billions over budget. Need to find another 200B in cuts to domestic programs which can be found by eliminating needless farm subsidies, oil tax breaks, tort reform and fraud crackdown on Medicare/Medicaid, etc.
Back to #1) Economic growth even at 2% should make up the difference to get yearly budget back in balance. Why does this matter? Because with most other countries in the world either economic basket cases or unstable dictatorships investors need a safe haven to invest their money. Like the 1990's with US fiscal house in order say hello to economic growth and markets crave stability, especially in this day and age. With the influx of revenue + spending reductions job producing programs of energy independence (tax credit for mandatory switchover of trucking industry to natural gas) and cleaning up mortgage mess (allowing homeowners who's mortgages are owned by govt agencies to refinance at today's rates if they're current on their payments) can be brought to fruition. By raising taxes on people who clearly aren't investing their extra tax break money back into the US or we'd be living in boomtimes these last 12 years, you fulfill one piece of the three legged stool of getting the economy back on track.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Funny how? It's true. Pure Capitalism works as well as Pure Democracy does. Thank God the US doesn't use either.
Funny how? It's true. Pure Capitalism works as well as Pure Democracy does. Thank God the US doesn't use either.
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Some people haven't done the math to realize that the rich don't have enough income to tax to fix our fiscal problems. And I say this as someone who agrees with some level of tax increase, especially for the rich, as part of addressing our fiscal crisis. As with so many things, it's a feel good political argument for the lefties.
bronconick
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
So...now Obamacare is a good thing? Good to know, Mittster. I think there's a toe on your left foot that your campaign hasn't shot off.
So...now Obamacare is a good thing? Good to know, Mittster. I think there's a toe on your left foot that your campaign hasn't shot off.
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Now, the tough decision... Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?
Interesting, one of Johnson's focus issues is repealing the UIGEA. Actually high on my priority list.
Now, the tough decision... Ron Paul or Gary Johnson?
Interesting, one of Johnson's focus issues is repealing the UIGEA. Actually high on my priority list.
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bronconick
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
I'd probably go with the guy actually on the ballot in Johnson. Maybe they get lucky and cross some vote threshold that gets them better access.
I'd probably go with the guy actually on the ballot in Johnson. Maybe they get lucky and cross some vote threshold that gets them better access.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Really, Johnson's on the ballot now? That's great news.
Really, Johnson's on the ballot now? That's great news.
bronconick
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Answer is....maybe.
http://www.lp.org/2012-ballot-access
Answer is....maybe.
http://www.lp.org/2012-ballot-access
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Doesn't feel good to me at all. It sucks that we blew our wad on the Bush Tax Cuts, Two Wars, Prescription Drugs for Baby Boomers, and Federalizing Education. And while we were doing that we decided at the same time to create the most insane, idiotic, and stupid financial instrument whose end result was a housing bubble that destroyed what little wealth the middle class had left.
Then to make matters worse we had no choice but to 1. try to stimulate the economy at the federal level and 2. bailout a bunch of billionaires.
It sucks.
It also sucks that we spend more on health care than any other nation on earth and yet can't take care of our own people. But, we'll give that illegal guy over there emergency services if he needs it.
Did I miss anything?
Doesn't feel good to me at all. It sucks that we blew our wad on the Bush Tax Cuts, Two Wars, Prescription Drugs for Baby Boomers, and Federalizing Education. And while we were doing that we decided at the same time to create the most insane, idiotic, and stupid financial instrument whose end result was a housing bubble that destroyed what little wealth the middle class had left.
Then to make matters worse we had no choice but to 1. try to stimulate the economy at the federal level and 2. bailout a bunch of billionaires.
It sucks.
It also sucks that we spend more on health care than any other nation on earth and yet can't take care of our own people. But, we'll give that illegal guy over there emergency services if he needs it.
Did I miss anything?
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Paul is very, very interesting. Paul in principle sounds great in many ways. Paul in reality could be a problem. He's such a wild card.
Paul is very, very interesting. Paul in principle sounds great in many ways. Paul in reality could be a problem. He's such a wild card.
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
I think making his money off a Klanspeak newsletter might be a deal breaker...
I think making his money off a Klanspeak newsletter might be a deal breaker...
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
You really don't expect that dope to be consistent, do ya? It be newsworthy if he was
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
ScoobyDoo
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No, it's both. The governments percentage of GDP spent is too much and the governments percentage of GDP collected is too little. And the fact that that set up has failed to stimulate the economy at all tells you how royally ****ed we all are.
No, it's both. The governments percentage of GDP spent is too much and the governments percentage of GDP collected is too little. And the fact that that set up has failed to stimulate the economy at all tells you how royally ****ed we all are.
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Nice succinct summary of the mess we are in.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
almost.... gov'ment's job is not to stimulate the economy unless it needs stimulating. when the system is rolling and growing on it's own, gov'ment should just do it's thing and stay out the way. gov'ment supplies services. roads, schools, po po, fire, etc.
almost.... gov'ment's job is not to stimulate the economy unless it needs stimulating. when the system is rolling and growing on it's own, gov'ment should just do it's thing and stay out the way. gov'ment supplies services. roads, schools, po po, fire, etc.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
That's fine. But, the government service sector is failing as well and we don't have the money for that either. There's hundreds of roads and bridges in this country that need updating and fixing and they're not getting done. I guess we all want another 35W Bridge Collapse cause that's where we're headed. I just hope if I'm on that bridge I die quick.
That's fine. But, the government service sector is failing as well and we don't have the money for that either. There's hundreds of roads and bridges in this country that need updating and fixing and they're not getting done. I guess we all want another 35W Bridge Collapse cause that's where we're headed. I just hope if I'm on that bridge I die quick.
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