Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
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Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
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ScoobyDoo
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Deal. The education you gave us is worthless and about 1/10th of the money you owe us. So, we're paid in full. You just give us 90% of what you owe us then and we'll call it even.
Deal. The education you gave us is worthless and about 1/10th of the money you owe us. So, we're paid in full. You just give us 90% of what you owe us then and we'll call it even.
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It's the education you demanded. And it's not our fault if your head is impenetrable. Your numbers are suspect, but then, so are you.
It's the education you demanded. And it's not our fault if your head is impenetrable. Your numbers are suspect, but then, so are you.
ScoobyDoo
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My numbers aren't suspect. Your generation bankrupted the country and refuses to own up to it and pay the bill.
My numbers aren't suspect. Your generation bankrupted the country and refuses to own up to it and pay the bill.
bronconick
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
That's the wind whistling between your ears.
That's the wind whistling between your ears.
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You're like those guys wandering around down town, "preaching" to nobody in particular, aren't you? We're entitled, entitled I say, to every dime, and more. You got any money, boy?
You're like those guys wandering around down town, "preaching" to nobody in particular, aren't you? We're entitled, entitled I say, to every dime, and more. You got any money, boy?
ScoobyDoo
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And typical for your generation you're constantly in a state of denial. You might want to try a 12-step group to get over your delusion.
And typical for your generation you're constantly in a state of denial. You might want to try a 12-step group to get over your delusion.
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Another libstain for whom bigotry and intolerance come easily. Speaking of 12-step programs. . .
Another libstain for whom bigotry and intolerance come easily. Speaking of 12-step programs. . .
Slap Shot
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Maybe, but if the owners came out and said, "We support gay marriage" would those heroically supporting Chick that day by buying a sandwich had done the same thing if conservatives were demanding a boycott of Chick-Fil-A"? No they wouldn't.
To be clear Bob I agree 100% the idiots protest Chick were wrong and that no city/municipality/government entity has any business preventing the company from setting up shop just because their owner is a bigot. But let's not pretend the supporters that day would have given a rip had the Chick owner instead advocated a, "leftist philosophy".
Maybe, but if the owners came out and said, "We support gay marriage" would those heroically supporting Chick that day by buying a sandwich had done the same thing if conservatives were demanding a boycott of Chick-Fil-A"? No they wouldn't.
To be clear Bob I agree 100% the idiots protest Chick were wrong and that no city/municipality/government entity has any business preventing the company from setting up shop just because their owner is a bigot. But let's not pretend the supporters that day would have given a rip had the Chick owner instead advocated a, "leftist philosophy".
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I guess you're right. Sure the source is Huffpo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david...reasons-it-isnt-what-you-think_b_1725237.html) ...but it is chock full of specific quotes and links:
Here are five reasons why Chick-fil-A isn't what you think:
1) Chick-fil-A has donated at least $5 million to organizations (including a certified hate group) that, among other things, depict gay people as pedophiles, want to make "gay behavior" illegal, and even say gay people should be "exported" out of America.
Even if you oppose same-sex marriage, do you really want to support a company that advocates putting gay people in jail, or "exporting" them, just because they're gay?
2) Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy didn't merely say he supports traditional marriage. Dan Cathy said if you support gay marriage, you "are inviting God's judgment on our nation," and that we "shake our fist at Him" when we do. Dan Cathy also said same-sex marriage is the result of a "deprived" mind and called it "twisted up kind of stuff."
Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you really think gay marriage is "inviting God's judgment on our nation"? Haven't we all heard enough blame from those who claim to speak for the Lord, like after Katrina or, more recently, after the shooting in Aurora, Colo.?
3) Chick-fil-A supports organizations that have claimed they can change gay people into straight people -- "pray away the gay" -- despite the fact that practically every major medical organization has stated that this is not only impossible but dangerous and harmful.
Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you support fake "science" that is known to harm the very people it claims to help?
4) The media keep saying Chick-fil-A has never discriminated, but the truth is that Chick-fil-A has been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination. That's what a leading business publication, Forbes, stated in 2007, when they also called Chick-fil-A a "cult" and reported that Chick-fil-A's founder and CEO Truett Cathy said he wanted to hire married people because they are more industrious and productive. Truett Cathy has also said he would probably fire someone who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."
Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you want to support what some call a "cult" whose CEO says he would fire employees for "being sinful"?
5) Chick-fil-A is just exercising their First Amendment rights by running a business based on the Bible, right? Wrong. There's a line between the "free exercise of religion" and violating the law. If Chick-fil-A is violating the law by discriminating against gay people, or by firing women so that they can be "stay home" moms, as one woman who is suing Chick-fil-A says in court documents, that's not exercising religious expression or free speech, and that's not a First Amendment issue. It may be, if the court decides, a violation of the law.
I guess you're right. Sure the source is Huffpo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david...reasons-it-isnt-what-you-think_b_1725237.html) ...but it is chock full of specific quotes and links:
Here are five reasons why Chick-fil-A isn't what you think:
1) Chick-fil-A has donated at least $5 million to organizations (including a certified hate group) that, among other things, depict gay people as pedophiles, want to make "gay behavior" illegal, and even say gay people should be "exported" out of America.
Even if you oppose same-sex marriage, do you really want to support a company that advocates putting gay people in jail, or "exporting" them, just because they're gay?
2) Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy didn't merely say he supports traditional marriage. Dan Cathy said if you support gay marriage, you "are inviting God's judgment on our nation," and that we "shake our fist at Him" when we do. Dan Cathy also said same-sex marriage is the result of a "deprived" mind and called it "twisted up kind of stuff."
Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you really think gay marriage is "inviting God's judgment on our nation"? Haven't we all heard enough blame from those who claim to speak for the Lord, like after Katrina or, more recently, after the shooting in Aurora, Colo.?
3) Chick-fil-A supports organizations that have claimed they can change gay people into straight people -- "pray away the gay" -- despite the fact that practically every major medical organization has stated that this is not only impossible but dangerous and harmful.
Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you support fake "science" that is known to harm the very people it claims to help?
4) The media keep saying Chick-fil-A has never discriminated, but the truth is that Chick-fil-A has been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination. That's what a leading business publication, Forbes, stated in 2007, when they also called Chick-fil-A a "cult" and reported that Chick-fil-A's founder and CEO Truett Cathy said he wanted to hire married people because they are more industrious and productive. Truett Cathy has also said he would probably fire someone who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."
Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you want to support what some call a "cult" whose CEO says he would fire employees for "being sinful"?
5) Chick-fil-A is just exercising their First Amendment rights by running a business based on the Bible, right? Wrong. There's a line between the "free exercise of religion" and violating the law. If Chick-fil-A is violating the law by discriminating against gay people, or by firing women so that they can be "stay home" moms, as one woman who is suing Chick-fil-A says in court documents, that's not exercising religious expression or free speech, and that's not a First Amendment issue. It may be, if the court decides, a violation of the law.
Slap Shot
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I'm into freedom of expression for those who support positions I take and those who oppose positions I take. I'm generally not a fan of boycots in either direction. The leftist bigots don't want that though as they push their politically correct agendas. Conservatives wouldn't be stupid enough to call for a boycott over innocuous statements from a business owner. Or else we'd be boycotting all over the place. We just aren't rabid enough because fundamentally we just want to be left alone, whereas your folks want to ram their agendas down everyone else's throats and force everyone to endorse what they want.Maybe, but if the owners came out and said, "We support gay marriage" would those heroically supporting Chick that day by buying a sandwich had done the same thing if conservatives were demanding a boycott of Chick-Fil-A"? No they wouldn't.
To be clear Bob I agree 100% the idiots protest Chick were wrong and that no city/municipality/government entity has any business preventing the company from setting up shop just because their owner is a bigot. But let's not pretend the supporters that day would have given a rip had the Chick owner instead advocated a, "leftist philosophy".
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Quite the biased accounting. As expected.
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http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
Public debt increased a little over 4 and 1/3 trillion during Bush's 8 years in office. It's increased over 3 and 1/2 trillion in Obama's 3+ years in office:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
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Boycotting is exactly freedom of expression...seems highly inconsistent to verbally state one is great and the other is bad.
Part two of your post says you want everyone to be sheeple and just buys regardless of what a company's position on politics. I can see how mixing politics with business can make things worse by distracting businesses from making the best products and services...how does it make things better?
Boycotting is exactly freedom of expression...seems highly inconsistent to verbally state one is great and the other is bad.
Part two of your post says you want everyone to be sheeple and just buys regardless of what a company's position on politics. I can see how mixing politics with business can make things worse by distracting businesses from making the best products and services...how does it make things better?
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Thanks for reaffirming again what I said in my post.
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You can cite actual numbers all you want. They don't fit the narrative, so they don't count.
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We agree!
Now imagine that the Bush years led to a deep spending trajectory, wiped out the governments ability to earn revenue and created an environment where the private sector didn't spend...what does that do to your debt numbers?
Tax Revenues Post Biggest Drop Since Depression
STEPHEN OHLEMACHER 08/ 3/09 09:51 PM ET
WASHINGTON — The recession is starving the government of tax revenue in 2009, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and struggling to find money to pay the tab.
The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.
Other figures in an Associated Press analysis underscore the recession's impact: Individual income tax receipts are down 22 percent from a year ago. Corporate income taxes are down 57 percent. Social Security tax receipts could drop for only the second time since 1940, and Medicare taxes are on pace to drop for only the third time ever.
We agree!
Now imagine that the Bush years led to a deep spending trajectory, wiped out the governments ability to earn revenue and created an environment where the private sector didn't spend...what does that do to your debt numbers?
Tax Revenues Post Biggest Drop Since Depression
STEPHEN OHLEMACHER 08/ 3/09 09:51 PM ET
WASHINGTON — The recession is starving the government of tax revenue in 2009, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and struggling to find money to pay the tab.
The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.
Other figures in an Associated Press analysis underscore the recession's impact: Individual income tax receipts are down 22 percent from a year ago. Corporate income taxes are down 57 percent. Social Security tax receipts could drop for only the second time since 1940, and Medicare taxes are on pace to drop for only the third time ever.
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My, we are worked up, aren't we? If Chick-fil-a was "discriminating" against gay employees, I'm confident you and the other members of the ladies' chorale would have informed us long ago. So ONE woman, out of what, 50,000 employees has filed a suit. And in your customary low key approach, already have it the equivalent of Brown v Board of Education. She's going to be a latter day Scottsboro boy, just you wait and see. You refer to 12 "discrimination" lawsuits. Doesn't strike me as a tidal wave. Wonder how many have been filed against McDonald's during the same period (even correcting for the size differential between the companies).
Holding CFA responsible for every crack pot statement or position taken by groups it supports (and some certainly are, no question) strikes me as guilt by association. In the 50's McCarthy went after people who "only went to a couple of meetings in college." And this was considered an outrage, by the left. And this 5 million that has you squealing like a middle school girl. How does it rank next to "progressive" donations by companies that have opinions of which you approve? I mean, is that a big number or is it about average? I have no idea. But 5 million, from a company that did over 4 BILLION in business last year doesn't strike me as enormous at first glance. I'm arguing for some context here, which we'll certainly never get from Huffpo ("I was married to a gay guy for 20 years and didn't notice").
I've said before and I'll say it again: it's better for all the whining, mewling, b*tching pseudo-First Amendment advocates to stay the h*ll away from CFA. That means better service and fresher product for people who judge the company by its sandwiches, not by what the principals think, about anything. And is this Truett Cathy, who has you and Ariana cowering under the bed, running the company now?
And I'm absolutely certain you ladies would be responding the same way if the ownership of CFA was Muslim and by association with other Muslim groups, inferentially advocated the occasional honor killing, stoning, beheading or bombing. You'd be right there, denouncing them, right?
My, we are worked up, aren't we? If Chick-fil-a was "discriminating" against gay employees, I'm confident you and the other members of the ladies' chorale would have informed us long ago. So ONE woman, out of what, 50,000 employees has filed a suit. And in your customary low key approach, already have it the equivalent of Brown v Board of Education. She's going to be a latter day Scottsboro boy, just you wait and see. You refer to 12 "discrimination" lawsuits. Doesn't strike me as a tidal wave. Wonder how many have been filed against McDonald's during the same period (even correcting for the size differential between the companies).
Holding CFA responsible for every crack pot statement or position taken by groups it supports (and some certainly are, no question) strikes me as guilt by association. In the 50's McCarthy went after people who "only went to a couple of meetings in college." And this was considered an outrage, by the left. And this 5 million that has you squealing like a middle school girl. How does it rank next to "progressive" donations by companies that have opinions of which you approve? I mean, is that a big number or is it about average? I have no idea. But 5 million, from a company that did over 4 BILLION in business last year doesn't strike me as enormous at first glance. I'm arguing for some context here, which we'll certainly never get from Huffpo ("I was married to a gay guy for 20 years and didn't notice").
I've said before and I'll say it again: it's better for all the whining, mewling, b*tching pseudo-First Amendment advocates to stay the h*ll away from CFA. That means better service and fresher product for people who judge the company by its sandwiches, not by what the principals think, about anything. And is this Truett Cathy, who has you and Ariana cowering under the bed, running the company now?
And I'm absolutely certain you ladies would be responding the same way if the ownership of CFA was Muslim and by association with other Muslim groups, inferentially advocated the occasional honor killing, stoning, beheading or bombing. You'd be right there, denouncing them, right?
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