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ecac refs
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unofan
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I'm shocked, SHOCKED!, by who's posting in this thread...
I will say this, the average fan is an idiot who knows far less about the rules than they think they do. For example, the number of times I hear people yell for a 10-second call in women's basketball (a call which doesn't exist) is astounding. Granted, my experiences recently are more with basketball fans than hockey fans, but past experience tells me hockey fans aren't any smarter or wiser in thier rules, either.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED!, by who's posting in this thread...
I will say this, the average fan is an idiot who knows far less about the rules than they think they do. For example, the number of times I hear people yell for a 10-second call in women's basketball (a call which doesn't exist) is astounding. Granted, my experiences recently are more with basketball fans than hockey fans, but past experience tells me hockey fans aren't any smarter or wiser in thier rules, either.
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I remember Pierre Belanger and although he was an arrogant tool he was remarkably consistent and called the games the same week in and week out. I always knew what to expect when we got Pierre B., and that is half the battle that I feel like we are losing today!
I remember Pierre Belanger and although he was an arrogant tool he was remarkably consistent and called the games the same week in and week out. I always knew what to expect when we got Pierre B., and that is half the battle that I feel like we are losing today!
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Baker, Mike
Benedetto, Tim
Carusone, Joe
Dell, Alex
Dumas, Harry
Durfee, Jay
Ernst, Eric
Feola, Peter
Gilbert, Dean
Gravallese, John
Hicks, Bryan
Kotyra, Tim
Leonard, Rich
Litterio, Nick
McDonald, Chip
Millea, Jack
Murphy, Dan
Murphy, John
O'Brien, Andy
Petrus, Andy
Ritchie, Bob
St. Lawrence, Bob
Torgerson, Pete
Wahl, Derek
Whittemore, Scott
Zelasko, Jeff
here they are. There has to be good mixed in with the bad. Who do you guys want to see night in and night out. Who is good and who do you think is bad
First, we would have to agree that Paul Stewart was a good NHL ref. If you ask him, he is the greatest ref ever. Reality from my point of view is he was average and, further, that mostly he is interested in boosting his ego and picking up random women than he is on focusing on making ECAC officiating better. In Albany for the ECAC tourney last year, he put a lot more effort into his dates than he did into the officiating product on the ice.
All I know is 20 years ago, I hated the refs but at least they were pretty consistent in how they called games. Now, the officiating can change over a span of 10 minutes within the same game. I think to be a good official you have to have a feel for the game and know the flow, and that is something every ref I have seen in the ECAC really lacks.
As for the Cornell poster being surprised that this is dominated by SLU and RPI posters...what do you make of the fact that Schafer is the only coach to have been suspended for complaining about the officiating over the past five years. I am not saying that is a bad thing. In fact, I think he is right. But, if you support the position of your coach then Cornell fans should be in line with the essence of this thread should they not?
Baker, Mike
Benedetto, Tim
Carusone, Joe
Dell, Alex
Dumas, Harry
Durfee, Jay
Ernst, Eric
Feola, Peter
Gilbert, Dean
Gravallese, John
Hicks, Bryan
Kotyra, Tim
Leonard, Rich
Litterio, Nick
McDonald, Chip
Millea, Jack
Murphy, Dan
Murphy, John
O'Brien, Andy
Petrus, Andy
Ritchie, Bob
St. Lawrence, Bob
Torgerson, Pete
Wahl, Derek
Whittemore, Scott
Zelasko, Jeff
here they are. There has to be good mixed in with the bad. Who do you guys want to see night in and night out. Who is good and who do you think is bad
FlagDUDE08
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This is technically in the rulebook. I don't know exactly which number, nor is it often enforced, but it is in there. This is one of the things we were told by the band conductor at the start of one of our seasons.
This is technically in the rulebook. I don't know exactly which number, nor is it often enforced, but it is in there. This is one of the things we were told by the band conductor at the start of one of our seasons.
FlagDUDE08
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Or wondering in a women's hockey game why the player doesn't finish their check...
I am one of those fans that not only recognizes a good call, but will actually say it's a good call and not shout my head off. You're most definitely correct though, in that fans will whine and moan if a call happens to go against them, even if it's a good call.
Or wondering in a women's hockey game why the player doesn't finish their check...
I am one of those fans that not only recognizes a good call, but will actually say it's a good call and not shout my head off. You're most definitely correct though, in that fans will whine and moan if a call happens to go against them, even if it's a good call.
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I have been around a long time and can't really comment about the current crop of ECAC refs because I have been exposed to the worst of all time-Mike Noeth and Pierre Belanger. All the recent fellows pale in comparison but I am sure they will continue to strive to reach the levels set by those two.
I have been around a long time and can't really comment about the current crop of ECAC refs because I have been exposed to the worst of all time-Mike Noeth and Pierre Belanger. All the recent fellows pale in comparison but I am sure they will continue to strive to reach the levels set by those two.
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As I said, I found Noeth, Amian, Belanger and company to be more consistent. I didn't say good...I said consistent. That is better than what we have to day which is also bad but incredibly inconsistent.
Of that list, I don't have a lot of love. I would probably put Ritchie and Whittemore near the top of the list....but that is like saying dog poop doesn't smell as bad as horse poop. The best was Dave Hanson but he moved on to bigger and better a year or two ago and even he really upset me by not calling a penalty when Casey Parenteau was drilled head first into the boards in Albany in the ECAC Consolation in 2007 and while he laid on the ice not moving at all, just stepped over him and let play go on.
Honestly the range on that list is from below average to absolutely awful. We need a few that are above average in this league.
I have been around a long time and can't really comment about the curren t crop of ECAC refs because I have been exposed to the worst of all time-Mike Noeth and Pierre Belanger. All the recent fellows pale in comparison but I am sure they will continue to strive to reach the levels set by those two.
As I said, I found Noeth, Amian, Belanger and company to be more consistent. I didn't say good...I said consistent. That is better than what we have to day which is also bad but incredibly inconsistent.
Of that list, I don't have a lot of love. I would probably put Ritchie and Whittemore near the top of the list....but that is like saying dog poop doesn't smell as bad as horse poop. The best was Dave Hanson but he moved on to bigger and better a year or two ago and even he really upset me by not calling a penalty when Casey Parenteau was drilled head first into the boards in Albany in the ECAC Consolation in 2007 and while he laid on the ice not moving at all, just stepped over him and let play go on.
Honestly the range on that list is from below average to absolutely awful. We need a few that are above average in this league.
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...and that is what drives me nuts most about the officiating in this league. And it is fairly universal from my vantagepoint. It's almost as if they are officiating to keep the game close, or to level the playing field. I am a firm believer that in order to officiate at a given level of hockey, it should be a prerequisite to have played at a level at least as high.
Also, I wonder what the required qualifications are. Even though I'm clearly not qualified by my own criteria, I'm thinking of sending my resume in. It's not a bad way to bring in some cash on the side...
...and that is what drives me nuts most about the officiating in this league. And it is fairly universal from my vantagepoint. It's almost as if they are officiating to keep the game close, or to level the playing field. I am a firm believer that in order to officiate at a given level of hockey, it should be a prerequisite to have played at a level at least as high.
Also, I wonder what the required qualifications are. Even though I'm clearly not qualified by my own criteria, I'm thinking of sending my resume in
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Nope, because that would insinuate that the original statement is an opinion, rather than a fact. There's no room for debate: these guys are the worst, period.
Nope, because that would insinuate that the original statement is an opinion, rather than a fact. There's no room for debate: these guys are the worst, period.
hockeyplayer1015
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You would never find enough interested referees to officiate at the D-1 level, let alone anything above that if your idea came to fruitation. Not a bad idea, but just not realistically feasible.
Qualifications likely include having to pass a test on the rules of the NCAA, along with being "accepted" into the group of officials. I'm sure they would require that you previously officiated games at a level just below the college ranks (High school, juniors, etc) and would likely start you off at D-3 or women's games before moving you up to D-1.
I am a firm believer that in order to officiate at a given level of hockey, it should be a prerequisite to have played at a level at least as high.
Also, I wonder what the required qualifications are. Even though I'm clearly not qualified by my own criteria, I'm thinking of sending my resume in
You would never find enough interested referees to officiate at the D-1 level, let alone anything above that if your idea came to fruitation. Not a bad idea, but just not realistically feasible.
Qualifications likely include having to pass a test on the rules of the NCAA, along with being "accepted" into the group of officials. I'm sure they would require that you previously officiated games at a level just below the college ranks (High school, juniors, etc) and would likely start you off at D-3 or women's games before moving you up to D-1.
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http://www.ecachockey.com/men/Officiating_Staff/index
Look here and click on the referees. I looked at the experince of these guys and it is crazy. Some have been in the NHL (Dumas and Dell) others have worked all leves of minor pro.
There are only a few that are IIHF licensed. The are an experiance bunch of guy. Wonder what the problem is?
Just click on there names and it gives there list of who they are and what they have done.
http://www.ecachockey.com/men/Officiating_Staff/index
Look here and click on the referees. I looked at the experince of these guys and it is crazy. Some have been in the NHL (Dumas and Dell) others have worked all leves of minor pro.
There are only a few that are IIHF licensed. The are an experiance bunch of guy. Wonder what the problem is?
Just click on there names and it gives there list of who they are and what they have done.
rvd5star69
hockey
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odd all that experience and no brains
odd all that experience and no brains
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1)Officiating since Paul Stewart took over has if not gotten worse at the very least has not improved.His officiating career is of no consequence here. He has not gotten THIS job done.It seems we are nothing more than a supplemental retirement plan and an Ego stroke.I cannot think of any criteria you could possibly use to give Him a positive performance evaluation.
2)IMO it is quite evident that w/certain officials it is personal and if it doesn't start out that way, in the course of a game it becomes personal,That is the highest level of unprofessionalism.
3)Maybe its just me but even when a penality is rightfully called a lot of times they call the wrong thing.
4)Most important. The league doesn't care, if they did we would see some improvement,or some new faces, but we never do and as long as the current regime is in place I suspect we never will.After all some of the worst examples took place in the tournament right under their noses and nothing happened.I guess to solve an issue You have to admit you have one and I don't believe that will ever happen with this group !!!!!!
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1)Officiating since Paul Stewart took over has if not gotten worse at the very least has not improved.His officiating career is of no consequence here. He has not gotten THIS job done.It seems we are nothing more than a supplemental retirement plan and an Ego stroke.I cannot think of any criteria you could possibly use to give Him a positive performance evaluation.
2)IMO it is quite evident that w/certain officials it is personal and if it doesn't start out that way, in the course of a game it becomes personal,That is the highest level of unprofessionalism.
3)Maybe its just me but even when a penality is rightfully called a lot of times they call the wrong thing.
4)Most important. The league doesn't care, if they did we would see some improvement,or some new faces, but we never do and as long as the current regime is in place I suspect we never will.After all some of the worst examples took place in the tournament right under their noses and nothing happened.I guess to solve an issue You have to admit you have one and I don't believe that will ever happen with this group !!!!!!
DarthBruno
The Force is with Brown hockey.
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Not just refs... Has anyone else noticed that the linesmen this year seem incapable of staying out of the way? They've blocked the offense at the blue line, they've deflected pucks being passed behind the net, they've gotten themselves sandwiched along the boards. All by being in the wrong place. Guys: Please do not impede the players.
Also, I feel that four officials (when they aren't always the best at what they're doing, *cough*ECAC*cough*) is one too many on the ice. It's crowded, and sometimes the flow of the game suffers. (see above)
Not just refs... Has anyone else noticed that the linesmen this year seem incapable of staying out of the way? They've blocked the offense at the blue line, they've deflected pucks being passed behind the net, they've gotten themselves sandwiched along the boards. All by being in the wrong place. Guys: Please do not impede the players.
Also, I feel that four officials (when they aren't always the best at what they're doing, *cough*ECAC*cough*) is one too many on the ice. It's crowded, and sometimes the flow of the game suffers. (see above)
MarkEagleUSA
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I agree that they are generally in the way at the worst possible times. I'm sure that at times it's unavoidable but there are plenty of occasions when everyone in the arena knows the puck is coming up the boards except the idiot in the striped shirt that stops/deflects/impedes it.
Some of the hardest hits I saw this weekend in the Quinnipiac-Union series were the ones the linesmen took!
I agree that they are generally in the way at the worst possible times. I'm sure that at times it's unavoidable but there are plenty of occasions when everyone in the arena knows the puck is coming up the boards except the idiot in the striped shirt that stops/deflects/impedes it.
35-Year Go Big Red Fan
still crazy after all these years
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I think many, if not most Cornell fans do support Coach Schafer's stand on the state of ECAC reffing. In the North Dakota series, there was a feeling that the ECAC refs were purposefully making bad calls against the Red. However, I think some Cornell fans have come to the conclusion that riling vociferously against the reffing is counter-productive: the more we squawk, the more the refs turn on us. If that's the reality, silence is preferable.
As for the Cornell poster being surprised that this is dominated by SLU and RPI posters...what do you make of the fact that Schafer is the only coach to have been suspended for complaining about the officiating over the past five years. I am not saying that is a bad thing. In fact, I think he is right. But, if you support the position of your coach then Cornell fans should be in line with the essence of this thread should they not?
I think many, if not most Cornell fans do support Coach Schafer's stand on the state of ECAC reffing. In the North Dakota series, there was a feeling that the ECAC refs were purposefully making bad calls against the Red. However, I think some Cornell fans have come to the conclusion that riling vociferously against the reffing is counter-productive: the more we squawk, the more the refs turn on us. If that's the reality, silence is preferable.
35-Year Go Big Red Fan
still crazy after all these years
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I agree that the officials have been affecting the play (through their mere presence on the ice) more this season. I think four is just too many -- they can't get out of the way.
I agree that the officials have been affecting the play (through their mere presence on the ice) more this season. I think four is just too many -- they can't get out of the way.