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ECAC Officiating First Half

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I have good things to say about Gilbert, Leonard, and Wahl: I've never seen them ref a game. :P

Actually, Litterio isn't too bad. Whittemore I don't think I've seen in orange, but he's a decent linesman.
 
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I have good things to say about Gilbert, Leonard, and Wahl: I've never seen them ref a game. :P

Actually, Litterio isn't too bad. Whittemore I don't think I've seen in orange, but he's a decent linesman.

Wahl did the Cornell-RPI game on Friday. Also, that list has St. Lawrence as a linesman but he's most certainly a referee now.
 
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Based on what 'Gate Radio posted, that means the refs at the Colgate-Union game got the call wrong. Zajac should have taken the penalty shot for Union, not Valery-Trabucco. At least it wasn't a score.

Officiating at yesterday's Colgate-RPI game was AWFUL. At least twice Colgate should have been called for off-sides, and got away with it. McIntyre shoved a RPI player onto the ice in Colgate's defensive zone during the 2nd and there was no call. And in most Colgate games opposing defenders are doing everything they can to maim McIntyre ... most of the time, no call.

At least Eugene Binda Jr. isn't officiating in this league anymore. But the following refs are those I've never liked in a key game:
-John Murphy
-Peter Feola
-Chip McDonald
-Alex Dell

Glad to hear your assessment was similar to mine...sometimes I wonder whether I'm simply watching a different game than the zebras. :eek:

The missed off-sides were amazing, and was it me or did the refs get in the way of about two dozen pucks ? McIntyre's facegrab throwdown of D'Amigo no-call was beyond inept. If they aren't going to bother calling the BS behind the play, then why bother having a 4 man crew?? Just go back to 3 and let the boys have some room to manuever.
 
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Wahl did the Cornell-RPI game on Friday. Also, that list has St. Lawrence as a linesman but he's most certainly a referee now.

Mike Emanatian worked as a linesman both nights at RPI. He's normally an AHL guy, Stewart must have talked him into doing some ECAC games ...just a guess. Normally I like him, but Saturday night was tough to watch...the crew was incapable of a single clean faceoff. Whatever happened to the emphasis on quick/clean faceoffs? Instead we're left with mid-game clinics by the refs and the players nutsin' around instead of skating in for the drop. As for the off-sides well, brutal. Then again when you're working with Dell all bets are off. :mad:

PS: I've had more than enough of watching the visiting teams trying to sneak in a line change before a faceoff. The ref having to corral them and send them back to the bench while the whole joint waits. One warning then the next time give the coach a bench minor...enough with the BS.
 
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It seems that a team that is up by a goal with less than 5 minutes to ago always gets penalized. Guess the officials want to keep things interesting. Having never officiated myself, it's best that I add no further comments other than to say, "it is what it is." :confused:
 
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I am not going to bash Schafer at all. His record speaks for itself. He is among the coaches though that get lost in the event while on the bench. There are a few guys that are kind of jerks on the bench, but good guys outside...Schafer, Donato and Gaudet lead in that category!

Kepler nailed it. We all hated Belanger, Noeth and Amian too, but it was remarkably consistent and I actually think it is/was a penalty for playing three blind mice....I know the bands / stereo had to stop playing that at Appleton because they were told to by the league I guess. ECAC officiating now is like a box of chocolates!!!

Kotyra is on my list because when he has put the screws to us, it is in the playoffs.

As for our radio guys...sure there have been times where Greg went a bit overboard, but more often than not I am at the games and not listening. That we agree on most matters related to officiating makes him good in my opinion.

During the Belanger era, it was a much tougher league. You paid the price big time for parking in front of the net. Now, any contact that looks bad is called regardless of whether it is actually a penalty. I agree, the linesmen can be brutal on some nights and those calls HAVE to be reliable. I don't want an edge. I want players on both teams protected and I want consistency. I find the officiating incredibly inconsistent.

Hell, at Union last year I think every penalty called on SLU was by one ref (Barnard) and every penalty called on Union was by the other ref. I don't remember what the total calls ended up being, but it was not a well officiated game. Sorry to those at Union that counted the 7th player ballots....I stuffed the ballot box that night with the Union 7th player being Referee Barnard!!:D

The game at Union....wasn't that the game where SLU was down 5 on 3 for nearly 5 minutes straight with all penalties minors? I've never seen that in 40+ years. Petizian and 3-4 posts saved our bacon.
 
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I... I don't want an edge. I want players on both teams protected and I want consistency. I find the officiating incredibly inconsistent...

That about sums it up for me. I think we were all hoping that Stewart's leadership, attitude and ability to teach these guys would change things, but no dice. Maybe it will take a whole new flock of zebras, after the current guys age out...
 
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That about sums it up for me. I think we were all hoping that Stewart's leadership, attitude and ability to teach these guys would change things, but no dice. Maybe it will take a whole new flock of zebras, after the current guys age out...

I don't think new ones will help - it really never has, the only thing that can help is a competent commissioner(hahahahahaha) that reviews every game to determine which referees are (in)consistently bad or if there are any blatant biases, then they should be confronted and if they won't change then they're fired. Every game needs to be called the exact same way, every time. Either let the little stuff that doesn't effect the play go, or call it every single time - but don't call one team and look the other way when the other team does something far worse
 
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they should be confronted and if they won't change then they're fired.

Yeah, the only problem with that method is that sooner than later you'd be out of refs and be forced to hire Bantam refs for ECAC games..though some might not think that'd be a bad thing. :p The problem is a systemic lack (NCAA - USA Hockey) of recruitment and training of young refs.
 
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McIntyre's facegrab throwdown of D'Amigo no-call was beyond inept.

D'Amigo I'm certain surely didn't deserve that kind of treatment. :eek: If your going to bother reporting one incident, it would likely take me 3-4 paragraphs to describe what I witnessed that wasn't called. PLease, Give us a break.;)
 
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The game at Union....wasn't that the game where SLU was down 5 on 3 for nearly 5 minutes straight with all penalties minors? I've never seen that in 40+ years. Petizian and 3-4 posts saved our bacon.

Yup! We got out of there with a win and 25 ulcers!

The only good thing about Albany for me last year was Stewart coming back to the hotel after the game thinking his guys did a great job, and an NHL agent (former player) and buddy of his just **** all over him for how bad the offiating was to the point Stewart started getting ****ed and defensive. Almost salvaged the wee hours after watching one of the worst losses ever for the Saints!

Step 1 is admitting you have a problem. I personally don't think we have ever made it that far as a league.
 
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There's a ref with the last name Dumas. Every Yale game he has done, that is exactly what he has been.
 
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Here's an idea, and would make "home field advantage" important:

Since the crowd is always complaining about the refs, pick some random bums out of the crowd, throw them in stripes. Though try to get a visiting team ref in there just to make it SEEM fair. :P

OK, maybe not.

For the non-RPI fans (simply because my goggles are cherry, and would like to see this from another angle), is there anyone out there that feels your team is constantly given the short straw by the refs?
 
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Here's an idea, and would make "home field advantage" important:

Since the crowd is always complaining about the refs, pick some random bums out of the crowd, throw them in stripes. Though try to get a visiting team ref in there just to make it SEEM fair. :P

OK, maybe not.

For the non-RPI fans (simply because my goggles are cherry, and would like to see this from another angle), is there anyone out there that feels your team is constantly given the short straw by the refs?

Not consistently! There are certain individual players on SLU that I believe are picked on unfairly by the refs - Mike McKenzie is one for sure. I believe the incompetence is both directions but I also believe that the message that the SLU coaches preach is play, clean, fast, no chirp hockey and I do believe they are more disciplined than most teams (most nights anyway ;) ), yet there are many games where the number of calls are even or reflect the score and are not reflective of the actual number of infractions. The only exception is I believe Kotyra has put the screws to SLU twice in playoff games / series and was a major factor in the outcome.

So in summary, I believe it is just general incompetence and that if they were competent that the number or penalties would "generally" be less than what they are for SLU.
 
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there are some good refs on that staff. If you look at the the names and then go to website and click on their names it tells what they have worked.


Some of the young guys are promising.

One of you said litterio. I also think that Ernst, Obrian and Richie all call decent games and all can rise to the occasion of a big game.

On the lines I think that Testa, Taggart, Patry, Cooke and Brown all do a good job. I think that these officals have the potentail to help the league and us fans enjoy the game, by being fair and objective.

Anyone else......?
 
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there are some good refs on that staff. If you look at the the names and then go to website and click on their names it tells what they have worked.


Some of the young guys are promising.

One of you said litterio. I also think that Ernst, Obrian and Richie all call decent games and all can rise to the occasion of a big game.

On the lines I think that Testa, Taggart, Patry, Cooke and Brown all do a good job. I think that these officals have the potentail to help the league and us fans enjoy the game, by being fair and objective.

Anyone else......?

Patri is good. I have not seen Itterio. The other guys not sure I agree with. Have not been impressed with any refs. Feola is good some nights and awful others! For those that don't know, Chip MacDonald is Stewart's nephew!
 
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there are some good refs on that staff.

Anyone else......?
I think the reason we aren't seeing more "good" names posted is that a good ref shouldn't be noticed. They should be transparent to the players and the fans. Those of us calling out specific guys do so because they make blatantly bad/one-sided calls and make us notice them.

Personally, my worst experiences have been with MacDonald. It's almost as if there are times when he says "hey, look at how important I am out here." :rolleyes:
 
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