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Ebola - all or nothing?

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DrDemento said:
Fish: Way too early to know how effective this or any other specific treatment has been. Too many people making comments in public right now. Most of them with zero medical training. Most with limited medical knowledge. Most just reading what they have been handed. The media introduce some speaker as Doctor-but as most of us know, that can be a pretty generic term. There are a limited number of experts with this disease and some of them have only laboratory experience and no patient treatment or diagnosis experience. By no means am I being negative here. I am being extremely cautious about a process that lots of people are spouting about by quoting statistics and names and numbers from Google and Wikipedia. This story is just starting. I hope it is a like an O Henry short story with a quick happy ending. What we are seeing now though is a bit of media frenzy and some political posturing and i do not appreciate any of it.
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the numbers look small but so far the numbers look good.
 
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joecct said:
Call me concerned. Proper prophylaxis should keep me and my loved ones safe. But I am still concerned that our government is not taking the best preventive methods.

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-army-ebola-goes-airborne-once-temperature-drops/
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I read recently how there has never been a known case of a virus being able to do that (switch from blood-borne to respiratory). I suppose ebola could be the first to so mutate, but the chances are remote.
It was actually a video in Slate.
 
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like so much of what our media does, most of this story is speculation. we would all be better served by facts. and just facts. and the talking heads doing just like our own good doc said and saying "we dont know"' instead of going off into possible scenarios.
 
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geezer said:
I read recently how there has never been a known case of a virus being able to do that (switch from blood-borne to respiratory). I suppose ebola could be the first to so mutate, but the chances are remote.
It was actually a video in Slate.
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there was a great article by the author of the hot zone... in the new yorker. Basically, is yes its going to mutate, it seems to mutate more than average, the chance it'll go "airborne" as we know was referred to a researcher as being about as likely as a zebra growing wings, but mutations could be more along the lines of viral load and speed of infection within the person... or if the disease becomes more "survivable"... say mortality rates drop to 10-20%... still pretty bad but it gives it an extra kick of mobility. Yeah, we all envision a certain nightmare scenario that will kill us all. There are other vectors (pathways) of concern between lackadaisical American public health concerns and other mutation options which are much more routine.

The whole article also goes into details of the first american national (citizen) infections in Africa, ZMapp, and some other things.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/27/ebola-wars
 
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DrDemento said:
you only left out one of my more major concern-the development of some sort of carrier state. Where there are no symptoms at all, but the virus is still present in some form in some tissues and could eventually be activated to a transmissible state. We have yet to discern if Ebola presents as a gradation of disease. Thankfully we have not seen the ease of transmission rise(and hopefully this will not happen).
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or a related concern: Ebola apparently started in an animal and then jumped from an animal to humans. Another nightmare scenario is that Ebola jumps here from a human to an animal species and becomes widespread that way.

We just don't know enough yet to know what to be concerned about. Caution, not complacency, is warranted, temporarily, while the situation evolves, we learn more, and we develop new technologies in response.
 
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Jesus ****ing christ. I hope she sues the government into the ground. This is horrible.

She's not allowed to have her luggage and was given paper scrubs to wear. She has no shower, no flushable toilet and the hospital gave her no television or any reading material. Mostly, she says, she stares at the walls.

She's not allowed to see her lawyer or anyone else.

"The tent has a window, and doctors talk to me in normal clothes from outside the window," she says. "So if there's no risk to them talking to me from outside the window, it doesn't make any sense that my lawyer wouldn't be able to do the same."
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I sure hope this turns out to be a false alarm....

A 5-year-old boy who just returned from West Africa was transported to Bellevue Hospital Sunday with possible Ebola symptoms, according to law-enforcement sources.

The child was vomiting and had a 103-degree fever when he was carried from his Bronx home by EMS workers wearing hazmat suits, neighbors said. “He looked weak,” said a neighbor.

“He was really, really out of it.”

The boy returned with his family from Guinea Saturday night and five members of the family were being quarantined inside their apartment, sources said.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Jesus ****ing christ. I hope she sues the government into the ground. This is horrible.
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Give her a TV, a recliner and a Netflix subscription and tell her to shut the hell up. Seriously, we don't need people coming from those hell holes walking around in population centers at this point.
 
bigblue_dl said:
Give her a TV, a recliner and a Netflix subscription and tell her to shut the hell up. Seriously, we don't need people coming from those hell holes walking around in population centers at this point.
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She was headed to Fort Kent maine, population about 10 :). If it's the same nurse I've been reading about.
 
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So, we just lock people up and isolate them when they're sick?

What a crock of ****.

The Fat New Jersey Governor diagnosed her?

She slammed New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for describing her as "obviously ill."
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, we just lock people up and isolate them when they're sick?

What a crock of ****.

The Fat New Jersey Governor diagnosed her?
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Reminder #72 why we should never confuse politics and medicine. Politicians are going to demagogue this -- it's irresistible, like education or counter-terrorism. And just as in those cases, the political process is the last place that will have anything useful to contribute.

It's as if when we built a bridge we listened to a governor or a pundit saying "no, I think the beams should be placed here." These people have, at best, a law degree -- they know zip about tension and compression and their opinion on bridge-building is worth exactly nothing.
 
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FreshFish said:
I sure hope this turns out to be a false alarm....
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Reports now say he was asymptomatic when first taken to Bellvue but later developed a mild fever.

The boy was transported to Bellevue Hospital Sunday night because of his travel history and initial reports that he had a fever, but he actually had no symptoms when he first arrived at the hospital, officials said.

He developed a fever this morning, prompting the Ebola test, officials told ABC News.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/year-boy-tested-ebola-nyc-hospital/story?id=26478362
 
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