Ebola - all or nothing?

[FreshFish]

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Make that two.

There is also a family in quarantine in West Haven CT (broadcast news item) after exhibiting potential symptoms. Not confirmed yet.

The broadcast said that there was round-the-clock police presence outside. One wonders if it was meant to make sure they don't leave. They are being supplied with all their necessities at state expense, and a fund-raising drive is already underway to help them with their needs.

 

[FreshFish]

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I had not heard of the second case. Did that doctor in NY turn out to be positive? If so, did he travel back here before or after the 5 airports started screening? Or has someone else tested positive?

The broadcast news story indicated that this doctor worked in Guinea treating Ebola patients there for Doctors without Borders, returned to US on Fri Oct 17 and was diagnosed yesterday (Thursday Oct 23). He was in contact with four people after symptoms appeared, and three of them (fiancee and two close friends) are in quarantine. Silence on the Uber driver (4th person) from what I had heard so far. More details will doubtless emerge during the course of the day.

Background story said that Senegal and Nigeria also had reported cases, then thanks to swift and decisive action, including closing their borders to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea and internal quarantines, are now Ebola-free.

 

[Timothy A]

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The broadcast news story indicated that this doctor worked in Guinea treating Ebola patients there for Doctors without Borders, returned to US on Fri Oct 17 and was diagnosed yesterday (Thursday Oct 23). He was in contact with four people after symptoms appeared, and three of them (fiancee and two close friends) are in quarantine. Silence on the Uber driver (4th person) from what I had heard so far. More details will doubtless emerge during the course of the day.

Background story said that Senegal and Nigeria also had reported cases, then thanks to swift and decisive action, including closing their borders to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea and internal quarantines, are now Ebola-free.

There needs to be protocol for medical workers when they get back from infected region. He's back 6 days, bombs all over NYC. He of all people should know how dangerous this is. He get's credit for calling the Authorities right away when he got the fever. He get's and F for the rest of his time he was home. From what I have read and heard, there is some question as to how it's really passed on since literally hundreds of properly dressed and cleaned Workers in Africa got ebola per the AP. We as a country are really underestimating this situation. The government needs to set up an arrival protocol other than "arrive in US, not have a fever and immediately do whatever the **** you want."

 

[FreshFish]

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The fact that we've only had one imported case and two medical providers .

it looks like 11 confirmed cases overall on US soil so far, some of which were people brought here from other places for treatment after they were diagnosed.

 

[FreshFish]

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The government needs to set up an arrival protocol other than "arrive in US, not have a fever and immediately do whatever the **** you want."

Don't worry, the big government lefties will be along shortly to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about, big government will protect you.

 

[DrDemento]

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Don't worry, the big government lefties will be along shortly to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about, big government will protect you.

I have been amazed by just who is now practicing medicine in this country-and all without any medical training and certainly no license to do so.

 

[DrDemento]

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There needs to be protocol for medical workers when they get back from infected region. He's back 6 days, bombs all over NYC. He of all people should know how dangerous this is. He get's credit for calling the Authorities right away when he got the fever. He get's and F for the rest of his time he was home. From what I have read and heard, there is some question as to how it's really passed on since literally hundreds of properly dressed and cleaned Workers in Africa got ebola per the AP. We as a country are really underestimating this situation. The government needs to set up an arrival protocol other than "arrive in US, not have a fever and immediately do whatever the **** you want."

Tim: Just because you go to medical school and get a degree does not make you smart or have any common sense. Over the years, having treated in my office over 48,000 patients, many were far smarter than i was and a great number were blessed with more common sense. I know only about 4 things well in this world-everything else I am just a bit informed about but really take a back seat to anyone else who has more knowledge. I think it very important not only to know things well-but also to know when you do not know something and be willing to admit it. The worst kind of medical advice is when someone examines you, says everything is peachy keen OK, but really has no clue and should be just admitting that they do not know and should consult someone else or refer you to a specialist. There is nothing wrong with not knowing-but there is something very wrong with not admitting it.

 

[Timothy A]

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Tim: Just because you go to medical school and get a degree does not make you smart or have any common sense.

I agree 1000%. My Sister is a psychiatrist.

That's why we need some sort of protocol. Our government is letting us down bigtime here.

 

[aparch]

The broadcast news story indicated that this doctor worked in Guinea treating Ebola patients there for Doctors without Borders, returned to US on Fri Oct 17 and was diagnosed yesterday (Thursday Oct 23). He was in contact with four people after symptoms appeared, and three of them (fiancee and two close friends) are in quarantine. Silence on the Uber driver (4th person) from what I had heard so far. More details will doubtless emerge during the course of the day.

Background story said that Senegal and Nigeria also had reported cases, then thanks to swift and decisive action, including closing their borders to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea and internal quarantines, are now Ebola-free.

Opie and Jim Norton on XM were just smashing the guy on air. Apparently he did a "tour" or New York when he got home including riding the A train to different places, going bowling, going out for dinner, etc. He kept checking his temperature and it wasn't until he had a fever that he got checked out.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Opie and Jim Norton on XM were just smashing the guy on air. Apparently he did a "tour" or New York when he got home including riding the A train to different places, going bowling, going out for dinner, etc. He kept checking his temperature and it wasn't until he had a fever that he got checked out.

Yeah, this guy was a very active member of MSF. If there is anyone in the US who knows what they are doing, it's these people. They are on the front lines. They have completed the front line protocols in a week over there more than any doctor in the US has. If I was to appoint someone an Ebola czar, and this isn't a political shot or anything, the job listing would have MSF in the "basic qualifications" section. These people know what they are doing.

It sounds like the NYC guy followed protocol to the letter. These shock jocks really show how stupid and clueless they are (not that anyone is really surprised by this revelation).

 

[joecct]

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Back in the day when I worked for USDA, I had to visit the Plum Island Animal Disease Center (PIADC). The island is located off the Eastern tip of Long Island and was where our scientists studied anthrax inside a very secure facility.

Depending on where you went on the island you had to observe a series of protocols after you left (by boat). The least was avoid hooved animals for a few days. The max, which was invoked if you went into the containment area, was a 21 day avoidance of all animals.

Why can't we do the same thing for those returning from Ebola areas?

 

[DrDemento]

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Back in the day when I worked for USDA, I had to visit the Plum Island Animal Disease Center (PIADC). The island is located off the Eastern tip of Long Island and was where our scientists studied anthrax inside a very secure facility.

Depending on where you went on the island you had to observe a series of protocols after you left (by boat). The least was avoid hooved animals for a few days. The max, which was invoked if you went into the containment area, was a 21 day avoidance of all animals.

Why can't we do the same thing for those returning from Ebola areas?

Joe-you are asking the simplest of questions, which has gone unanswered now for too long.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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It sounds like the NYC guy followed protocol to the letter. These shock jocks really show how stupid and clueless they are (not that anyone is really surprised by this revelation).

Which is just proof that the protocol is all kinds of ****ed up.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Which is just proof that the protocol is all kinds of ****ed up.

How so? The first signs of fever he isolated himself and called the authorities.

 

[unofan]

it looks like 11 confirmed cases overall on US soil so far, some of which were people brought here from other places for treatment after they were diagnosed.

People that were brought here specifically for treatment and were under medical care the entire time with no contact with the general public are not the same and you know it.

We've had four cases diagnosed here as far as people who've had contact with the public, three of which are medical providers.

Until shown otherwise, as long as you aren't puked, shat, or bled upon by someone who is infected, you probably shouldn't be panicking.

 

[unofan]

I have been amazed by just who is now practicing medicine in this country-and all without any medical training and certainly no license to do so.

I'm not claiming to be a doctor, but I can do math.

If this bug were easily transmitted, there'd be far, far more cases in the u.s. and Europe already. Duncan was sent home with a low grade fever, yet none of his housemates got infected, let alone random neighbors or people who may have shared airspace with him.

My offer of a bet is still on the table. I believe more people in the U.S. will die from the flu than ebola this winter. Funny how none of the fear mongers will take that one, though.

 

[Timothy A]

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How so? The first signs of fever he isolated himself and called the authorities.

From what I have read, there's doubt as to how it is transmitted or when/how long you are contagious, so if you wait for the fever, it may be too late. The fact that in Africa 200 properly equipped medical folks have died from it tells me we really don't have a grip on this yet. We as a country need to be uber cautious on this. Some sort of automatic quarantine for 3-4 weeks or longer may be in order until more scientific facts are known. African countries have contained the spread through travel restrictions. We just can't throw up our hands and say "it would be too hard to do in the US" and let this thing enter at will into our country, some serious thought has to be put into this. I don't have the answers, but a collective effort could solve the problem. It may be unpleasant (extended quarantines) and perhaps costly (for the tax payers) for those involved, but if you choose to travel there and come back, you have to accept the consequences.

 

[unofan]

From what I have read, there's doubt as to how it is transmitted or when/how long you are contagious, so if you wait for the fever, it may be too late. The fact that in Africa 200 properly equipped medical folks have died from it tells me we really don't have a grip on this yet. We as a country need to be uber cautious on this. Some sort of automatic quarantine for 3-4 weeks or longer may be in order until more scientific facts are known. African countries have contained the spread through travel restrictions. We just can't throw up our hands and say "it would be too hard to do in the US" and let this thing enter at will into our country, some serious thought has to be put into this. I don't have the answers, but a collective effort could solve the problem. It may be unpleasant (extended quarantines) and perhaps costly (for the tax payers) for those involved, but if you choose to travel there and come back, you have to accept the consequences.

Of course, you could travel to the other side of Africa and still face illogical consequences. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...mission-trip-uganda-ebola-isolation/17825995/

But clearly the American public is reacting logically and not out of fear or panic.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Until shown otherwise, as long as you aren't puked, shat, or bled upon by someone who is infected, you probably shouldn't be panicking.

But... but... BUT....

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Never mind what the science says, my gut (and cable news and shock jocks and my crazy uncle) says I should be afraid... VERY afraid.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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From what I have read, there's doubt as to how it is transmitted or when/how long you are contagious, so if you wait for the fever, it may be too late. The fact that in Africa 200 properly equipped medical folks have died from it tells me we really don't have a grip on this yet. We as a country need to be uber cautious on this. Some sort of automatic quarantine for 3-4 weeks or longer may be in order until more scientific facts are known. African countries have contained the spread through travel restrictions. We just can't throw up our hands and say "it would be too hard to do in the US" and let this thing enter at will into our country, some serious thought has to be put into this. I don't have the answers, but a collective effort could solve the problem. It may be unpleasant (extended quarantines) and perhaps costly (for the tax payers) for those involved, but if you choose to travel there and come back, you have to accept the consequences.

Yeah, 200 people have died when they could probably swim to work in the river of bodily fluids because there are THOUSANDS of people in Western Africa who have EVD. They can't wear their containment suits for very long because of the heat. So there are dozens more opportunities to be exposed to the virus.

That and this has been going on for nearly a year now (!), yes, a year. In an area that had never seen Ebola before. So yeah, it's a bit different than the situation in the United States. You just can't compare the two situations.