reggiedunlop
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
News embargo? C'mon.
News embargo? C'mon.
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Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
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XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Yeah, that'd be nice. Only problem with it is operating on the assumption USCHO might have an employee who cares.
Yeah, that'd be nice. Only problem with it is operating on the assumption USCHO might have an employee who cares.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Yep, and to elaborate on this a little...
reggie, whenever anyone expresses incredulity at USCHO's dismissive attitude toward major DIII stories, I find that the following two exercises sum things up pretty well:
1) Go to the DIII homepage, and look at the "D-III Question of the Week" near the bottom of the page. This poll has been the Question of Every Week since the winter of '08-'09.
2) Check out this article. Try to find the winner of the Fastest Skater competition (also, second in Hardest Shot, but who's counting?).
The conference writers do their best to work with the negligible support they're given, and the forums are a nice place to congregate because, well, they're here. The bottom line, however, is that USCHO will report on this (if they bother) based on the same press release available to everyone else, and won't lift a finger to attempt a scoop beforehand. Division III really is an afterthought here.
Yep, and to elaborate on this a little...
reggie, whenever anyone expresses incredulity at USCHO's dismissive attitude toward major DIII stories, I find that the following two exercises sum things up pretty well:
1) Go to the DIII homepage, and look at the "D-III Question of the Week" near the bottom of the page. This poll has been the Question of Every Week since the winter of '08-'09.
2) Check out this article. Try to find the winner of the Fastest Skater competition (also, second in Hardest Shot, but who's counting?).
The conference writers do their best to work with the negligible support they're given, and the forums are a nice place to congregate because, well, they're here. The bottom line, however, is that USCHO will report on this (if they bother) based on the same press release available to everyone else, and won't lift a finger to attempt a scoop beforehand. Division III really is an afterthought here.
reggiedunlop
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Sorry to learn that, though I am not surprised having read USHR.com the past years and realizing that they give DIII little to no coverage when discussing potential colleges for Prep players, I was remiss to believe that the reporting would change once the players made it to the college level. Please excuse my naivete.
Sorry to learn that, though I am not surprised having read USHR.com the past years and realizing that they give DIII little to no coverage when discussing potential colleges for Prep players, I was remiss to believe that the reporting would change once the players made it to the college level. Please excuse my naivete.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Unless (until) somebody with the money/guts/resources decides to put together a website devoted to DIII hockey like this one
http://www.d3football.com/ for football,
we are going to be left with the coverage that we are given and can develop for ourselves.
Unless (until) somebody with the money/guts/resources decides to put together a website devoted to DIII hockey like this one
http://www.d3football.com/ for football,
we are going to be left with the coverage that we are given and can develop for ourselves.
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Probably better-termed as "gag order", or something of the like. As a few of us have been trying to explain to hawk in this thread and others, the few members of the board who know what's going on do so only because one of the schools in question happens to be their employer. And each of these posters (CROSBYNU63, hockeyfan77, and I'm assuming now PrezdeJohnson09) has been told that to reveal this information would to jeopardize their own employment...
...sounds reasonable enough to me that these posters would shut their yaps until told otherwise.
Probably better-termed as "gag order", or something of the like. As a few of us have been trying to explain to hawk in this thread and others, the few members of the board who know what's going on do so only because one of the schools in question happens to be their employer. And each of these posters (CROSBYNU63, hockeyfan77, and I'm assuming now PrezdeJohnson09) has been told that to reveal this information would to jeopardize their own employment...
...sounds reasonable enough to me that these posters would shut their yaps until told otherwise.
hawkhockey
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
I have information from an extremely reliable source that the current ECAC EAST league will remain in place for two years,following this year's season.St.A's and St.Mike's are included in this arrangement for the next two years and after that time expires,who knows.
The teams will play a home and away game within their league and in all probablility keep their travel partner arrangements.
This agreement was a compromise for those who wanted to immediately expel the NE10 teams after this season and also allowed teams in the league who were unable/unwilling to sign a binding four year commitment to have a couple of years to work out some their internal athletic issues.
I have information from an extremely reliable source that the current ECAC EAST league will remain in place for two years,following this year's season.St.A's and St.Mike's are included in this arrangement for the next two years and after that time expires,who knows.
The teams will play a home and away game within their league and in all probablility keep their travel partner arrangements.
This agreement was a compromise for those who wanted to immediately expel the NE10 teams after this season and also allowed teams in the league who were unable/unwilling to sign a binding four year commitment to have a couple of years to work out some their internal athletic issues.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
As in potentially allowing the two DIIs to consider making a rumored transition to DIII? (Just speculating)
As in potentially allowing the two DIIs to consider making a rumored transition to DIII? (Just speculating)
hawkhockey
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Yes.St.Mike's has previously stated that they are interested in reclassifying as a DIII school.St.A's is less commited, but is beginning the exploratory process.Ther are two major stumbling blocks for both.
1.the current DIII moratorium.
2.finding a league(es) for all their sports ex hockey.this has emerged as a major issue,
Both schools are hoping for(wishful thinking) that the NCAA will reconsider and reinstitute a DII/DIII league and/ or be grandfathered into DIII for tournament purposes.
remember that the NCAA instituted a DII tournament in the late 90's and then eliminated the tournament for lack of teams,this was the time to have the NCAA figure out a solution but the teams missed the opportunity.
Now we have the current situation.
Yes.St.Mike's has previously stated that they are interested in reclassifying as a DIII school.St.A's is less commited, but is beginning the exploratory process.Ther are two major stumbling blocks for both.
1.the current DIII moratorium.
2.finding a league(es) for all their sports ex hockey.this has emerged as a major issue,
Both schools are hoping for(wishful thinking) that the NCAA will reconsider and reinstitute a DII/DIII league and/ or be grandfathered into DIII for tournament purposes.
remember that the NCAA instituted a DII tournament in the late 90's and then eliminated the tournament for lack of teams,this was the time to have the NCAA figure out a solution but the teams missed the opportunity.
Now we have the current situation.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
The lack of mention of Musselwhite in that one remains asinine. Hell, the headline should have been "DIII Player Torches Field".
The lack of mention of Musselwhite in that one remains asinine. Hell, the headline should have been "DIII Player Torches Field".
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
1. I believe the moratorium has ended. There are now schools moving into DIII.
2. Knowing very little about it, I would think that the GNAC would be a natural geographical fit for St. Mike's, due to the proximity to NU and a history of competition between the two - this is spoken out of total ignorance of the politics that is surely involved in such discussions.
3. The DII/DIII tournament is too obvious a solution, but the issue the DII teams playing up to DI seems to be becoming problematic (as far as I can tell from discussions on the DI board, this has to do in part with the eligiblity of Canadian schools for DII). There seems to be sentiment among the DI crowd that there should be a DI/DII national collegiate championship, which would push the NE 10 schools into that pool. It is a mess.
1. I believe the moratorium has ended. There are now schools moving into DIII.
2. Knowing very little about it, I would think that the GNAC would be a natural geographical fit for St. Mike's, due to the proximity to NU and a history of competition between the two - this is spoken out of total ignorance of the politics that is surely involved in such discussions.
3. The DII/DIII tournament is too obvious a solution, but the issue the DII teams playing up to DI seems to be becoming problematic (as far as I can tell from discussions on the DI board, this has to do in part with the eligiblity of Canadian schools for DII). There seems to be sentiment among the DI crowd that there should be a DI/DII national collegiate championship, which would push the NE 10 schools into that pool. It is a mess.
reggiedunlop
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Thanks again. Players are looking at New England D III schools to play hockey while gaining a jam up education. They would like the chance to play for a team that is in a league with an AQ. SUNY-Canton has made it clear that as an institution their entire athletic program will be D III by 2016, their CLUB hockey players are convinced that will be next year in some capacity, perhaps starting their probation period. If their path to DIII though the NCAA is clear, why are the DIIs path so murky? And not to harp on the DI preference at the NCAA, Penn State can waltz in and start a DI program in less than 12 months, yet from what has been posted throughout this forum, the DIIs have been shorted. I realize this is crossing many threads, please accept my apology.
Thanks again. Players are looking at New England D III schools to play hockey while gaining a jam up education. They would like the chance to play for a team that is in a league with an AQ. SUNY-Canton has made it clear that as an institution their entire athletic program will be D III by 2016, their CLUB hockey players are convinced that will be next year in some capacity, perhaps starting their probation period. If their path to DIII though the NCAA is clear, why are the DIIs path so murky? And not to harp on the DI preference at the NCAA, Penn State can waltz in and start a DI program in less than 12 months, yet from what has been posted throughout this forum, the DIIs have been shorted. I realize this is crossing many threads, please accept my apology.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
My only concern with this arrangement is that the 8 D-III schools will be playing 4 games that are not used for tournament selection. This COULD prove a problem with a bubble team (right Prof????? -- I earned a C in stats in college).
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
It just makes each of the games that they play that do count more important. Everything is based on percentages, so if you play 20 games that count (playing 4 against the DIIs, plus maybe one against a West team) as compared to 25 for other teams, each individual game that you lose counts about 1.25 games. There is also an upside, each individual game that you win counts about as about 1.25 wins.
The reality is that it doesn't hurt as much as people think, but the perception to the effect is enough to make people who don't through the consequences of the selection system to see it as a bigger deal than it is. It's just you play 4 exhibition games during the season for all practical purposes. Whether you go 4-0 or 0-4 really doesn't matter (except for the effect on your playoff positioning).
It just makes each of the games that they play that do count more important. Everything is based on percentages, so if you play 20 games that count (playing 4 against the DIIs, plus maybe one against a West team) as compared to 25 for other teams, each individual game that you lose counts about 1.25 games. There is also an upside, each individual game that you win counts about as about 1.25 wins.
The reality is that it doesn't hurt as much as people think, but the perception to the effect is enough to make people who don't through the consequences of the selection system to see it as a bigger deal than it is. It's just you play 4 exhibition games during the season for all practical purposes. Whether you go 4-0 or 0-4 really doesn't matter (except for the effect on your playoff positioning).
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
True, but considering how tight the numbers can be at the end, can't it be fairly significant in the difference it would make if four games against DII teams were replaced by four wins against DIII teams? 16-5 (.7619) v. 20-5 (.8000) could easily be a large enough difference to matter come selection time.
True, but considering how tight the numbers can be at the end, can't it be fairly significant in the difference it would make if four games against DII teams were replaced by four wins against DIII teams? 16-5 (.7619) v. 20-5 (.8000) could easily be a large enough difference to matter come selection time.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
On the other hand, unless you schedule the little sisters of the poor, if you are 16-5 against DIII competition you'd be more likely to go 3-1 which would give you a record of 19-6 for 0.7600 (so you've lost ground). And if you did play 4 games against weak teams, you'd end up hurting your OWP and OOWP. There's a lot less of an effect there than people assume. And, in the end, just win the league playoffs and don't worry about your seeding.
On the other hand, unless you schedule the little sisters of the poor, if you are 16-5 against DIII competition you'd be more likely to go 3-1 which would give you a record of 19-6 for 0.7600 (so you've lost ground). And if you did play 4 games against weak teams, you'd end up hurting your OWP and OOWP. There's a lot less of an effect there than people assume. And, in the end, just win the league playoffs and don't worry about your seeding.
hockeyfan77
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Unless something has changed in the last 2 weeks: This would be accurate...
Unless something has changed in the last 2 weeks: This would be accurate...
CROSBYNU63
GO CADETS
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Amen
Amen
Unless something has changed in the last 2 weeks: This would be accurate...