Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
I think they were discussing them as replacements of St.A's and St. Mike's.
I think they were discussing them as replacements of St.A's and St. Mike's.
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Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
It looks like they stayed with Oswego the entire game in '04, giving up that GWG with a minute left, on the road. Its how the last game goes, not the first however many.
And that win for UMD was agaisnt the SUNYAC champ, on the road, a Geneseo that had beaten Oswego twice that year, and was 2-1 against Plattsburgh.
You don't consider those quality competition?
It looks like they stayed with Oswego the entire game in '04, giving up that GWG with a minute left, on the road. Its how the last game goes, not the first however many.
And that win for UMD was agaisnt the SUNYAC champ, on the road, a Geneseo that had beaten Oswego twice that year, and was 2-1 against Plattsburgh.
You don't consider those quality competition?
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
How about this one I found!! The kid Doherty was unbelievable that night!! RIT'S LAST YEAR IN dIV. iii
Saturday, January 29, 2005
RIT (RIT) at Curry (CUR)
Non-Conference Game
Final Score: Curry 6, RIT 3
New Records: Curry 10-4-3, RIT 9-6-1
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Score By Periods 1st 2nd 3rd Final Power Plays
RIT 0 2 1 3 RIT 1 / 9 (.111)
Curry 3 1 2 6 Curry 4 / 11 (.364)
Shots On Goal 1st 2nd 3rd Total Penalties/Minutes SHGF
RIT 7 15 12 34 RIT 19 / 78 0
Curry 12 13 12 37 Curry 16 / 56 0
They also beat Norwich, Salem, that year and tied Oswego
How about this one I found!! The kid Doherty was unbelievable that night!! RIT'S LAST YEAR IN dIV. iii
Saturday, January 29, 2005
RIT (RIT) at Curry (CUR)
Non-Conference Game
Final Score: Curry 6, RIT 3
New Records: Curry 10-4-3, RIT 9-6-1
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Score By Periods 1st 2nd 3rd Final Power Plays
RIT 0 2 1 3 RIT 1 / 9 (.111)
Curry 3 1 2 6 Curry 4 / 11 (.364)
Shots On Goal 1st 2nd 3rd Total Penalties/Minutes SHGF
RIT 7 15 12 34 RIT 19 / 78 0
Curry 12 13 12 37 Curry 16 / 56 0
They also beat Norwich, Salem, that year and tied Oswego
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
The Norwich game was an exhibition because it came before the official opening of Interlock play as I recall - Norwich agreed to play Curry, but the only date that they could work out was before the first weekend of play. Doesn't mean they didn't, it's just that it won't show up as a game that counts
The Norwich game was an exhibition because it came before the official opening of Interlock play as I recall - Norwich agreed to play Curry, but the only date that they could work out was before the first weekend of play. Doesn't mean they didn't, it's just that it won't show up as a game that counts
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Do times change?? Here is a Sports Illustrated article on Hamilton College from December 5, 1955.
Some excerpts:
Do times change?? Here is a Sports Illustrated article on Hamilton College from December 5, 1955.
Some excerpts:
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
With the NESCAC AD's meeting yesterday and the Presdients meeting on Wednesday I was wondering when the ECAC East schools are going to be notified of the decision. You have to believe that details of these meeting would leak by one of the members who isn't too happy by the outcome. I disagree with some that says the East would wait until next year to add teams if the interlock ends. With schedules arranged a year in advance any restructure of the East could happen very fast. Should be a very interesting for hockey in the East.
With the NESCAC AD's meeting yesterday and the Presdients meeting on Wednesday I was wondering when the ECAC East schools are going to be notified of the decision. You have to believe that details of these meeting would leak by one of the members who isn't too happy by the outcome. I disagree with some that says the East would wait until next year to add teams if the interlock ends. With schedules arranged a year in advance any restructure of the East could happen very fast. Should be a very interesting for hockey in the East.
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But it is sure fun to speculate what the heck is going to happen!!
I believe that 99.9% of the 10-11 schedules are set -- I (and a heck of a lot of others) don't see any changes until 11-12.
But it is sure fun to speculate what the heck is going to happen!!
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
The interlock is in place for the 2010/2011 season no matter what the presidents decide. I am talking about what is going to occur the following year. When Salem left the ECAC East for the MASCAC I believe the decision to leave was made around this time of the year a year before they left the league with UNE being added in the summer. So if the interlock arrangment is going to end the EAST AD's would have to figure out how they want the league restructured. Actually I think it is a big deal because the strength of league effects the quality of recruits coming into your program.
I believe that 99.9% of the 10-11 schedules are set -- I (and a heck of a lot of others) don't see any changes until 11-12.
But it is sure fun to speculate what the heck is going to happen!!
The interlock is in place for the 2010/2011 season no matter what the presidents decide. I am talking about what is going to occur the following year. When Salem left the ECAC East for the MASCAC I believe the decision to leave was made around this time of the year a year before they left the league with UNE being added in the summer. So if the interlock arrangment is going to end the EAST AD's would have to figure out how they want the league restructured. Actually I think it is a big deal because the strength of league effects the quality of recruits coming into your program.
cooperalls
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
So let me get this right that after this meeting this week all Div. II schools most likely will not be allowed to be DIII status because no AD's at these schools are smart enough to propose legislation to the NCAA to allow them to play down in one sport.
Also it is apparent that the schools and coaches from the west only care about there own agendas and do not care about continued growth of college hockey and are against the D2's in the east because it gives them more teams.
Would the D2's be better dropping down like LVC did and being a fully sponsored ACHA Div. 1 team they could actually now play bigger name schools like Penn State and NAVY and actually compete for a National Championship?
So let me get this right that after this meeting this week all Div. II schools most likely will not be allowed to be DIII status because no AD's at these schools are smart enough to propose legislation to the NCAA to allow them to play down in one sport.
Also it is apparent that the schools and coaches from the west only care about there own agendas and do not care about continued growth of college hockey and are against the D2's in the east because it gives them more teams.
Would the D2's be better dropping down like LVC did and being a fully sponsored ACHA Div. 1 team they could actually now play bigger name schools like Penn State and NAVY and actually compete for a National Championship?
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Assuming end of the Interlock and no change on the non-counting for games vs. D-II schools then---
(a) Get a stay or go commitment from USM and UM-B
(b) Kick the D-II schools out - sounds cruel, but you can't have 4 games on your schedule not count every year -- especially when gunning for the Pool C slots.
(c) If (a) is true, then find a school to get the conference to keep the AQ.
OK - makes sense
Assuming end of the Interlock and no change on the non-counting for games vs. D-II schools then---
(a) Get a stay or go commitment from USM and UM-B
(b) Kick the D-II schools out - sounds cruel, but you can't have 4 games on your schedule not count every year -- especially when gunning for the Pool C slots.
(c) If (a) is true, then find a school to get the conference to keep the AQ.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
True, but it was a good game and a nice crowd!!
True, but it was a good game and a nice crowd!!
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
The NCAA presidents decide that one at one of the annual conventions. But as others have said, it seems unlikely that a single sport and only 6 teams will get a waiver. I don't think they D-II presidents will want to split the division with some playing up @ D-I and some playing down at D-III with both eligible for national titles.
the NESCAC meeting has no bearing on whether or not games vs. non-D-III schools count/don't count towards your D-III record.
The NCAA presidents decide that one at one of the annual conventions. But as others have said, it seems unlikely that a single sport and only 6 teams will get a waiver. I don't think they D-II presidents will want to split the division with some playing up @ D-I and some playing down at D-III with both eligible for national titles.
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You are thus saying that there aren't enough presidents that recognize that the situation posed by hockey is unique. Unique situations call for unique solutions.
You are thus saying that there aren't enough presidents that recognize that the situation posed by hockey is unique. Unique situations call for unique solutions.
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Any solution to a "Unique situation", would be unique - aside from "doing nothing".
Any solution to a "Unique situation", would be unique - aside from "doing nothing".
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
Any solution to a "Unique situation", would be unique - aside from "doing nothing".
ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
cooperalls
Registered User
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
So I stand corrected that "NO Presidents are smart enough" but who need to be told by the AD's at these schools to understand the significant impact that by not trying to change legislation and believe me the NCAA would listen if it was proposed by the proper authorities at the school. This is going to hurt the school overall as these student athletes are not on scholarship like the other sports offered at D2 so they are paying the $30-$40 grand to go to St. Mikes, or St. A's to play hockey and most likely will transfer.
It is a sad day when the people in charge have little or no knowledge of how a business is run for such a little amount of money. They probably make 3 times the return on their $150,000 to -$200,000 budget investment into hockey.
It really didn't hurt hockey back in the eighties and 90's when they grouped Div. 1 schools in with Div. 2 and Div. 3.
I wonder if it would help build a Div. 2 if one of these Div. 3 presidents proposed legislation to the NCAA to allow 1 sport mens and women's to move up from Div. 3 to Div. 2.
So I stand corrected that "NO Presidents are smart enough" but who need to be told by the AD's at these schools to understand the significant impact that by not trying to change legislation and believe me the NCAA would listen if it was proposed by the proper authorities at the school. This is going to hurt the school overall as these student athletes are not on scholarship like the other sports offered at D2 so they are paying the $30-$40 grand to go to St. Mikes, or St. A's to play hockey and most likely will transfer.
It is a sad day when the people in charge have little or no knowledge of how a business is run for such a little amount of money. They probably make 3 times the return on their $150,000 to -$200,000 budget investment into hockey.
It really didn't hurt hockey back in the eighties and 90's when they grouped Div. 1 schools in with Div. 2 and Div. 3.
I wonder if it would help build a Div. 2 if one of these Div. 3 presidents proposed legislation to the NCAA to allow 1 sport mens and women's to move up from Div. 3 to Div. 2.
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Any news? Enquiring minds want to know...
Any news? Enquiring minds want to know...
hockeyfan77
Registered User
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???
Seems a shame that this can't be worked out. Hockey is always a unique situation. I believe some schools are allowed to compete at D 1 at the hockey level and D 3 in other sports. But that that exemption was grandfathered in. Seems a shame to maroon some teams in a D 2 that barely exists anymore. A compromise would seem to benefit all. D 2-D3 hockey only? The addition of St. Michael's and St. Anselm's would make a nice Lake Champlain circuit. By the way what is the differerence between D 2 and D3, scholarships?
Seems a shame that this can't be worked out. Hockey is always a unique situation. I believe some schools are allowed to compete at D 1 at the hockey level and D 3 in other sports. But that that exemption was grandfathered in. Seems a shame to maroon some teams in a D 2 that barely exists anymore. A compromise would seem to benefit all. D 2-D3 hockey only? The addition of St. Michael's and St. Anselm's would make a nice Lake Champlain circuit. By the way what is the differerence between D 2 and D3, scholarships?