Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

[NUProf]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Threw this wild hare out on a D1 thread last night. Here's the gist of it. Poke as many holes in it as you can.

Suppose the NCAA Mens Ice Hockey Committee creates a National Collegiate Championship for D1 and D2 schools, as they currently do now for the women.

That would mean all the D2 schools would be eligible for the NCC.



Fire away!!!

If they could do this, logically, couldn't they create a National Collegiate Championship for D2 and D3 schools? Just askin'

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

If they could do this, logically, couldn't they create a National Collegiate Championship for D2 and D3 schools? Just askin'

They could, but the majority of the NCAA classified D2 schools play up @ D1. I wonder if it would be "tidier" to do it that way instead of have a D2/D3 NCC????

It also helps get the D1 tournament back to the 1/4 ratio.

The downsize would be it could throw D3 recuiting in the east into a tizzy. Suddenly the NE-10 could become a more "desireable" conference over the Eastern D3's.

 

[CornwallAce]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Can I give the USCHO writers an assignment?

Talk to all the D2 coaches now playing(trying to) at the D3 level and ask them if they had their druthers, would they rather go D1 or D3 if the NCAA make an exception for them.

If they went either way, I'd think it would be a good thing for them.


To clarify
(Assumption, Franklin Pierce, Southern New Hampshire, Stonehill, St. Michaels, St. Anselm)

 

[NUProf]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Can I give the USCHO writers an assignment?

Talk to all the D2 coaches now playing(trying to) at the D3 level and ask them if they had their druthers, would they rather go D1 or D3 if the NCAA make an exception for them.

If they went either way, I'd think it would be a good thing for them.


To clarify
(Assumption, Franklin Pierce, Southern New Hampshire, Stonehill, St. Michaels, St. Anselm)

I suspect that St. Mike's in no way wants to be thrown into DI. There is no way that they would get the funding to be competitive. I thought they were considering moving to DIII, but the noises the new basketball coach made when he was hired sounded like they are committed to upgrading their BB program in the Northeast "10".

 

[one_to7]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Can I give the USCHO writers an assignment?

Talk to all the D2 coaches now playing(trying to) at the D3 level and ask them if they had their druthers, would they rather go D1 or D3 if the NCAA make an exception for them.

If they went either way, I'd think it would be a good thing for them.


To clarify
(Assumption, Franklin Pierce, Southern New Hampshire, Stonehill, St. Michaels, St. Anselm)

That'd be a question for the athletic directors, school presidents, and board of directors. The only real difference between DI and DIII is potential exposure and cost of running the team(s).

And that's not something that coaches deal with; that's a question for the higher ups in the process.

 

[CornwallAce]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

very good point. Ok, my question has been changed from coaches to athletic directors first. They're probably the easiest to get a hold of, I would presume.

That'd be a question for the athletic directors, school presidents, and board of directors. The only real difference between DI and DIII is potential exposure and cost of running the team(s).

And that's not something that coaches deal with; that's a question for the higher ups in the process.

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Can I give the USCHO writers an assignment?

Talk to all the D2 coaches now playing(trying to) at the D3 level and ask them if they had their druthers, would they rather go D1 or D3 if the NCAA make an exception for them.

If they went either way, I'd think it would be a good thing for them.


To clarify
(Assumption, Franklin Pierce, Southern New Hampshire, Stonehill, St. Michaels, St. Anselm)

Except if they institute a National Collegiate Championship at the D1 or D3 level, then they get to have their cake and D-II, too!! There would be no reason to switch classifications for all sports.

For years, I believe, volleyball was a NCC sport and recently a D-III school won the darn thing. The NCAA immediately instituted a D-III volleyball tournament. Can't have the downstairs having intercourse with the upstairs, you know!

 

[Matthew Webb]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

For years, I believe, volleyball was a NCC sport and recently a D-III school won the darn thing. The NCAA immediately instituted a D-III volleyball tournament. Can't have the downstairs having intercourse with the upstairs, you know!

Referring to Lewis? That's because they had a bunch of illegal players and had their title vacated as a result. Funny thing is that Lewis beat my brother's team in the semifinals. You'd think someone at Lewis would have known that 27 year old former professional players from Brazil weren't legal.

Hawaii vacated the following year's title for the same reasons, specifically because of Costas Theocharidis or however it's spelled. I mean, everyone plays pro in Greece before moving on to college, right?

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Referring to Lewis? That's because they had a bunch of illegal players and had their title vacated as a result. Funny thing is that Lewis beat my brother's team in the semifinals. You'd think someone at Lewis would have known that 27 year old former professional players from Brazil weren't legal.

Hawaii vacated the following year's title for the same reasons, specifically because of Costas Theocharidis or however it's spelled. I mean, everyone plays pro in Greece before moving on to college, right?

Hey, they had to compete with the big boys, so they took a page out of the SEC handbook. Not their fault they got caught!!

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

The NESCAC presidents are scheduled to meet on April 28 at Hamilton - I believe that that is when the future of the interlock is to be decided . . .

err... so... like... today?



(Just a friendly reminder to be on the lookout for any news releases today or in the following days)

EDIT: I was just looking on the NESCAC 09-10 calendar of events, and I think events of note are:

4/28 (today) - Presidents Meeting @ Hamilton
5/24-26 - Athletic Administrators Meetings @ Hamilton
5/26 - Presidents Executive Committee Meeting @ hamilton

So, we might know the fate of the Interlock today or tomorrow... or we might have to wait another month...

 

[hockeyfan77]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

err... so... like... today?



(Just a friendly reminder to be on the lookout for any news releases today or in the following days)

EDIT: I was just looking on the NESCAC 09-10 calendar of events, and I think events of note are:

4/28 (today) - Presidents Meeting @ Hamilton
5/24-26 - Athletic Administrators Meetings @ Hamilton
5/26 - Presidents Executive Committee Meeting @ hamilton

So, we might know the fate of the Interlock today or tomorrow... or we might have to wait another month...

I heard that would be the day(s) it would be decided...

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Any word on the NESCAC interlock?

 

[hockeyfan77]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Any word on the NESCAC interlock?

ummm once again, this is when the decision is going to be made...


5/24-26 - Athletic Administrators Meetings @ Hamilton
5/26 - Presidents Executive Committee Meeting @ Hamilton

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

ummm once again, this is when the decision is going to be made...


5/24-26 - Athletic Administrators Meetings @ Hamilton
5/26 - Presidents Executive Committee Meeting @ Hamilton

It will be a sage decision. Russell will be there to file a report.

 

[dreamer6]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

I apologize if this a dumb question, but why would the NESCAC league choose to end the interlock? Would they only play teams in their own league? Is this why the interlock was created in the first place (more opponents)? Sorry, I am fairly new to all of this.

 

[d3follower]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

I apologize if this a dumb question, but why would the NESCAC league choose to end the interlock? Would they only play teams in their own league? Is this why the interlock was created in the first place (more opponents)? Sorry, I am fairly new to all of this.

The interlocal was created to preserve long-standing rivalries between various NESCAC schools and ECAC East schools. But the ECAC East now has a lot of members--Skidmore, Castleton, UNE, USM, St. Mike's, for example--for which that argument cannot be made. We do not know what kind of arrangement would replace the interlock (if it is to be replaced) but a more balanced schedule of annual home-and-home series with each NESCAC team is one likely outcome (that's the way women's NESCAC hockey works).

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

I apologize if this a dumb question, but why would the NESCAC league choose to end the interlock? Would they only play teams in their own league? Is this why the interlock was created in the first place (more opponents)? Sorry, I am fairly new to all of this.

Dreamer

It is not a dumb question. I understand why a league would only want to play games that count towards playoffs against their own league, but the Interlock is one heck of a scheduling arrangement with the exception that 2/19 games don't count towards selection (right now). Also, a team can go 9-0 vs the NESCAC and 0-10 vs the ECAC East and get a crappy NESCAC playoff seed.

As to the 2nd part of the question.. NESCAC's have a scheduling limit of 24 games. If they play 18 in conference (1 less than the Interlock) they would have 6 games that they could schedule to enhance their Pool C chances. How they pick and choose those 6 games depend on the school and their scheduling philosophy.

 

[dreamer6]

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It is not a dumb question. I understand why a league would only want to play games that count towards playoffs against their own league, but the Interlock is one heck of a scheduling arrangement with the exception that 2/19 games don't count towards selection (right now).

Thank you Joe.

I assume you are referring to the games against St. Mike's and St. A's that do not count. Do you think they could be "grandfathered" in, is that even a possibility? (If the interlock remains intact.)

 

[joecct]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Thank you Joe.

I assume you are referring to the games against St. Mike's and St. A's that do not count. Do you think they could be "grandfathered" in, is that even a possibility? (If the interlock remains intact.)

If you follow some of the other threads (including this one), you'll see that there is NCAA legislation somewhere in the process that would allow the games against D-II teams to count for the D-III tournament.

Personally, as stand alone legislation, I don't like it. It needs to be combined with something else like having a National Collegiate Championship for D-II and D-III schools to get my vote.

Another possibility is creating a D-I/D-II national collegiate championship. The awful truth about that arrangement is that the current NE-10 (plus the 2 Saints) would qualify for an AQ (and the #16 seed) just like HEA and the WCHA.

 

[WillieC]

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

I apologize if this a dumb question, but why would the NESCAC league choose to end the interlock? Would they only play teams in their own league? Is this why the interlock was created in the first place (more opponents)? Sorry, I am fairly new to all of this.

Numerous reasons exist for ending the interlock and it probably depends upon which coach you speak with. The new schedule will likely include home and home weekends very similar to what was in place among NESCAC teams in the past. Midd would trip to Maine (Colby/Bowdoin), a no brainer, but from there it might get interesting. But, assuming they stick with a similar rotation it would be Tufts/Conn, Trin/Wes and the always dreaded road trip to Amherst/Hamilton. With 18 spots taken that would leave 6 open dates to be set. For Midd that would (could) include the Primelink (2) and Holiday Classic (2) thus leaving 2 open spots. The first inclination among many Midd fans would be to continue games with Platty and Norwich but that assumes that all the interested parties could work out the satisfactory schedule slots. The NESCAC limits start/stop season dates, partially for the benefit of multi-sport players, and that limits the possibilities. For the ECAC-east folks this does open up the possibility to extend the season, however....it will be interesting to see how this all eventually lays out.