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Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

SUNYIT and Utica would be a nice little cross-town rivalry. I also thought IT was thinking about going into hockey, but I don't see it happening.
 
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joecct said:
But the Little East and the MASCAC have a buddy-buddy relationship when it comes to sponsoring conference sports. For example, 2 LE schools are in the MASCAC hockey league, while Salem is in the Little East lax conference.

Personally, I think they're coming over once the MASCAC has the AQ. But I could be wrong, too.
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I don't see the lack or not of a Pool A spot as a decision driver for either USM or UMB. Neither would have been expected to compete for the ECAC East AQ this year or next year - they might well have had a shot at winning the MASCAC, but not the ECAC East. If they wanted to move, they would have done it this year to get in on the league from the start. I would see UMB as more likely to switch than USM - as has been noted, USM has a close travel partner in UNE, they've got regional "rivalries" with Bowdoin and Colby. They are too good a fit where they are.

As for Curry and Wentworth, they seem to be upwardly mobile in terms of NC scheduling. Looking at the PWC a comparison between Curry and Manhattanville shows that Curry has a better OWP and Record vs. Ranked teams than Manhattanville does. Results for Wentworth and Manhattanville are similar.

That's very different from LVC's status in the NE. I don't think it was the move to the W that killed LVC, it was a lack of commitment on the part of the administration.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
Whatever happened to SUNYIT building an ice rink?
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Funny you mention this, because yesterday I went to their site to see what was going on, and saw the groundbreaking ceremony for the big new fieldhouse.

Got all excited until I saw nothing about a rink. I wonder if it got cut from the original plans. I'll have to contact someone there and find out.

If it did indeed get cut from the plans, I suspect we'll never see SUNYIT with a hockey team.
 
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Does Lebanon Valley and Scranton since they will still be considered NCAA Div. III Independents count as far as the ratio is concerned for Pool Bids?


NUProf said:
I don't see the lack or not of a Pool A spot as a decision driver for either USM or UMB. Neither would have been expected to compete for the ECAC East AQ this year or next year - they might well have had a shot at winning the MASCAC, but not the ECAC East. If they wanted to move, they would have done it this year to get in on the league from the start. I would see UMB as more likely to switch than USM - as has been noted, USM has a close travel partner in UNE, they've got regional "rivalries" with Bowdoin and Colby. They are too good a fit where they are.

As for Curry and Wentworth, they seem to be upwardly mobile in terms of NC scheduling. Looking at the PWC a comparison between Curry and Manhattanville shows that Curry has a better OWP and Record vs. Ranked teams than Manhattanville does. Results for Wentworth and Manhattanville are similar.

That's very different from LVC's status in the NE. I don't think it was the move to the W that killed LVC, it was a lack of commitment on the part of the administration.
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I heard that the SUNYAC only wants schools that bring their entire athletic program with them from what I had heard the SUNYAC does not want another Morrisville where they brought there teams and then pulled out because there athletic program was weak.


CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Actually, they are currently as much of a member of the SUNYAC as Morrisville was 4 years ago. They have a choice. Logically, SUNYAC is probably the best fit for them, but it's entirely possible the ECAC-W might court the Kangaroos, or whatever their mascot is called. In fact, with the logistical and scheduling issues involved, I wouldn't be surprised if some SUNY schools (although probably not Potsdam) encouraging them to go to the ECAC-W.
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Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

The one thing that everyone is forgetting that there will be a vote and whether or not legislation will pass to allow the DII NE 10 programs to compete on the same level as DIII if this happens then again we now have a different makeup again.




NUProf said:
Two things to be noted here:

1. There has not been a vote to end the Interlock. If that doesn't happen that line of thought goes nowhere

2. The departure of the Little East schools if the interlock ended is not a certainty - USM and UMB were asked to join the MASCAC, and didn't for this year. Why would they go now?

3. Even if 1 and 2 happened, it's more likely that the East would pick up Manhattanville to get back to 7 than anything else. Manhattanville applied for the Salem State spot, but league rules about travel partners made UNE the choice. It is also possible that one or more of Wentworth/Curry could leave the NE for the East.

4. I don't see much good happening for the ECAC W they could easily be back to 4 members like the old days of Hobart, Elmira, RIT, and Mercyhurst.
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cooperalls said:
Does Lebanon Valley and Scranton since they will still be considered NCAA Div. III Independents count as far as the ratio is concerned for Pool Bids?
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No they don't count unless they play a majority of the games against NCAA DIII teams

cooperalls said:
The one thing that everyone is forgetting that there will be a vote and whether or not legislation will pass to allow the DII NE 10 programs to compete on the same level as DIII if this happens then again we now have a different makeup again.
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Good point. I hope this is approved, because it would help those programs be able to remain in a league and compete on a more even basis with other schools. The only difference between those programs and the ECAC NE is the toxic DII label. These program are in jeopardy if this isn't approved.
 
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cooperalls said:
I heard that the SUNYAC only wants schools that bring their entire athletic program with them from what I had heard the SUNYAC does not want another Morrisville where they brought there teams and then pulled out because there athletic program was weak.
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You're behind the times on this. :)

Last year, due to the fact that Morrisville was following SUNYIT's path of leaving the SUNYAC and joining the NEAC, leaving the Morrisville men's ice hockey and field hockey teams in limbo (because the NEAC does not sanction those sports), the SUNYAC enacted an Affiliated Membership.

Therefore, schools that otherwise meet SUNYAC membership requirements (four year SUNY institutions that belong to the NCAA Division III membership), may become affiliated members in individual sports. There are certain restrictions behind it, but that is the gist of it.

Thus, SUNYIT and Canton (if they join the NCAA), could have hockey teams in the SUNYAC even if they don't have their whole sports program in the SUNYAC.
 
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joecct said:
If you want a lot better shot to go to the NCAA tournament than you do now, you join the MASCAC.
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At the cost of what though...I hope this isn't the road USM takes...Hopefully, for the interlock stays in place and makes this moot...
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Thus, SUNYIT and Canton (if they join the NCAA), could have hockey teams in the SUNYAC even if they don't have their whole sports program in the SUNYAC.
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Ahhhh.....they may join the SUNYAC hockey league, but they don't have to, do they?
 
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UCBadger said:
Ahhhh.....they may join the SUNYAC hockey league, but they don't have to, do they?
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Correct ... Unless (and here's the key point here) the entire sports program is part of the SUNYAC.

Morrisville hockey could have joined the ECAC West last year when the school pulled out of SUNYAC (and they did look into that). But, Geneseo could not just pull their hockey team out of the SUNYAC and leave all their other sports in.
 
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Does anyone think there is a possibility of Neumann having to fold their program because of their bad location? They are so far out of the way to join another conference, if leagues go through a major restructuring I think they could get left out in the cold. The only other crazy option I could think of is Neumann trying to jump to D1 and join Atlantic Hockey?
 
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pierre maguire said:
Does anyone think there is a possibility of Neumann having to fold their program because of their bad location? They are so far out of the way to join another conference, if leagues go through a major restructuring I think they could get left out in the cold. The only other crazy option I could think of is Neumann trying to jump to D1 and join Atlantic Hockey?
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The AHA will have 12 members next year with the addition of Niagara and Robert Morris. There isn't room for UAH since the CCHA said no. I doubt there would be room for Neumann or anyone else.
 
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

pierre maguire said:
Does anyone think there is a possibility of Neumann having to fold their program because of their bad location? They are so far out of the way to join another conference, if leagues go through a major restructuring I think they could get left out in the cold. The only other crazy option I could think of is Neumann trying to jump to D1 and join Atlantic Hockey?
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Not happening in a big way. I think the guys with the purse strings only want bona fide D-1 programs in their tent any more. The idea of a non D1 school joining their party is repugnant to them.

If they are allowed in the big boys' sandpile, they can't offer scholarships, but the coaches' salaries will jump to around $200K+ for the staff. I don't think there is money for that. This is a small Catholic school that is D-III across the board. I doubt they want the headaches and the $$ outflow.
 
Re: Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

cooperalls said:
The one thing that everyone is forgetting that there will be a vote and whether or not legislation will pass to allow the DII NE 10 programs to compete on the same level as DIII if this happens then again we now have a different makeup again.
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Is that vote actually happening? It should have happened literally ten years ago. When will it take place? It's unbelievable that this hasn't already been done but I am encouraged to hear an indication that there may finally be a vote. Getting these six programs, none of which derives any competitive advantage from being technically "DII" and each of which deserves a shot to play for a meaningful national championship, involved in the DIII conference and national tournaments will be a positive thing for everyone
 
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