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Eastern D-III hockey -- where do we go from here???

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Natural Ice said:
Is that vote actually happening? It should have happened literally ten years ago. When will it take place? It's unbelievable that this hasn't already been done but I am encouraged to hear an indication that there may finally be a vote. Getting these six programs, none of which derives any competitive advantage from being technically "DII" and each of which deserves a shot to play for a meaningful national championship, involved in the DIII conference and national tournaments will be a positive thing for everyone
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The dangdest part of it is that the NCAA actually had this right between 1985 and 1992: no DII tournament, but DII teams could "play down" for the DIII title. Then they forced the then-slightly larger (but still quite small) pool of DII programs into the ill-conceived revival of the DII championship from '93-'99, pulled the carpet again, and erased play-downs. And picked that point to begin expressing their concern with the number of teams "playing up" to DI :rolleyes:
 
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NUProf said:
Good point. I hope this is approved, because it would help those programs be able to remain in a league and compete on a more even basis with other schools. The only difference between those programs and the ECAC NE is the toxic DII label. These program are in jeopardy if this isn't approved.
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Does anyone know when this will be voted on or have any links regarding the this issue?
 
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Stoopid question -- I know that D-III (and D-II) can play up to D-I, but can D-III play up to D-II??

If enough schools jumped could there be enough for an 8 team D-II and 8 team D-III tournament???

Edit: Guess not as according to D-II bylaw 18.2.4.1, you need 50 schools to have a championship.
 
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joecct said:
Stoopid question -- I know that D-III (and D-II) can play up to D-I, but can D-III play up to D-II??

If enough schools jumped could there be enough for an 8 team D-II and 8 team D-III tournament???
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That would just be stupid. Why would you want to be D2 right now? They can't compete in the National tournament. The D2 hockey teams wish they were D3.
 
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hockey247 said:
That would just be stupid. Why would you want to be D2 right now? They can't compete in the National tournament. The D2 hockey teams wish they were D3.
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Well, if you recall, there was talk of a Division IV.

What I was thinking was that we could split D-III into the those that want "more" from those who want the status-quo and those who want "less". The ones that move up could combine with the NE-10 and get enough to re-establish a D-II championship.

That point is now moot with D-II needing 50 schools to sponsor a championship.
 
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They allowed Morrisville to do that but I heard from a reliable source that once SUNY IT and Morrisville left that the powers to be inside the SUNYAC said never again and it is back to all or nothing to be a member. I think you you need to get your ear to the grindstone more often.



Russell Jaslow said:
You're behind the times on this. :)

Last year, due to the fact that Morrisville was following SUNYIT's path of leaving the SUNYAC and joining the NEAC, leaving the Morrisville men's ice hockey and field hockey teams in limbo (because the NEAC does not sanction those sports), the SUNYAC enacted an Affiliated Membership.

Therefore, schools that otherwise meet SUNYAC membership requirements (four year SUNY institutions that belong to the NCAA Division III membership), may become affiliated members in individual sports. There are certain restrictions behind it, but that is the gist of it.

Thus, SUNYIT and Canton (if they join the NCAA), could have hockey teams in the SUNYAC even if they don't have their whole sports program in the SUNYAC.
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cooperalls said:
They allowed Morrisville to do that but I heard from a reliable source that once SUNY IT and Morrisville left that the powers to be inside the SUNYAC said never again and it is back to all or nothing to be a member. I think you you need to get your ear to the grindstone more often.
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First, what did I say that implied I don't have my ear to the grindstone?

Secondly, read the SUNYAC Handbook -- it's on the web -- there is nothing there that states Morrisville will be a one-time exception. If they don't want it to happen again, they need to change their constitution.
 
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cooperalls said:
The one thing that everyone is forgetting that there will be a vote and whether or not legislation will pass to allow the DII NE 10 programs to compete on the same level as DIII if this happens then again we now have a different makeup again.
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Has this vote taken place yet?
 
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When is the most important vote ... NESCAC voting on un-locking the interlock ... supposed to happen?
 
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PuckVoice said:
When is the most important vote ... NESCAC voting on un-locking the interlock ... supposed to happen?
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The NESCAC presidents are scheduled to meet on April 28 at Hamilton - I believe that that is when the future of the interlock is to be decided . . .
 
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d3follower said:
The NESCAC presidents are scheduled to meet on April 28 at Hamilton - I believe that that is when the future of the interlock is to be decided . . .
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Wow...they must be appauled that they have to leave the CCCP and go all the way to Clinton, NY to have their meeting!;) :eek: :rolleyes:
 
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Threw this wild hare out on a D1 thread last night. Here's the gist of it. Poke as many holes in it as you can.

Suppose the NCAA Mens Ice Hockey Committee creates a National Collegiate Championship for D1 and D2 schools, as they currently do now for the women.

That would mean all the D2 schools would be eligible for the NCC.

The NCAA D1 requirement for an AQ is 6 schools in the same conference (see where I'm going with this??).

There are 6 NE-10 schools currently playing ice hockey @ the D3 level simply because they have no where to go. (I think there are actually 10 NE-10 schools playing hockey. The other 4 are AIC, Bentley, UM-L and Merrimack).

What if the 6 banded together and played NE 10 hockey? Since the NCC would be open to BOTH D-I and D-II, would the NE-10 get an AQ similar to that of Hockey East?

They could play 20 in conference, and then AIC and Bentley and lesser AHA lights to fill out the schedule. AIC & Bentley WOULD play them because the games would count in the Pairwise.

Fire away!!!
 
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This would be nice only in the fact in how D3 is currently treating D2. Unless that vote thing happens.

I could see AIC and maybe Bentley joining the NE10 schools and breaking away from Atlantic Hockey, but I don't know much about HE.

If you had 8 teams in the conference, they could play 4 games vs 7 opponents and get 28 games, and them 4 or 5 OOC games to keep travel down.
This would actually be a nice pipe dream if the costs didn't rise too much. I think it would be safe to compare AIC's cost with the other 6 costs in the NE 10. How much would it increase?
One other thing, how much does the current NE 10 teams play on weekdays, I know the Atlantic League does it quite minimal.

joecct said:
Threw this wild hare out on a D1 thread last night. Here's the gist of it. Poke as many holes in it as you can.

Suppose the NCAA Mens Ice Hockey Committee creates a National Collegiate Championship for D1 and D2 schools, as they currently do now for the women.

That would mean all the D2 schools would be eligible for the NCC.

The NCAA D1 requirement for an AQ is 6 schools in the same conference (see where I'm going with this??).

There are 6 NE-10 schools currently playing ice hockey @ the D3 level simply because they have no where to go. (I think there are actually 10 NE-10 schools playing hockey. The other 4 are AIC, Bentley, UM-L and Merrimack).

What if the 6 banded together and played NE 10 hockey? Since the NCC would be open to BOTH D-I and D-II, would the NE-10 get an AQ similar to that of Hockey East?

They could play 20 in conference, and then AIC and Bentley and lesser AHA lights to fill out the schedule. AIC & Bentley WOULD play them because the games would count in the Pairwise.

Fire away!!!
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