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Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

The mistake after the Civil War was Johnson and a bunch of other Democrats never forced The South to truly reckon with the damage they did. In an effort to make peace and reunite they let criminals and traitors go and the country has limped along ever since. (You ever wonder why Grant is always talked about as a drunk but Lee was a hero and great General) We can't make that mistake again. The GOP had a chance to excise the cancer after January 6th but they doubled down and now are cheering as he openly destroys every aspect of the Constitution.
I thought Lincoln was the one who set that in motion, insisting the South not be punished. In fact, that was the real reason why Johnson was impeached, because they were pissed he insisted on following Lincoln's policy.
 
We can't afford to have a center? The center either exists or it doesn't and the fact is it does. And as I said the MAGA choads think you're the ones that are un-American so we're left with a bunch of Spider Men pointing fingers. Weeeeeee!!!

Don't get me wrong - I hate MAGA with every fiber of my being but we have not yet come close to justifying Nuremberg II. Good Lord you people are insane I'm sorry to say it.
I don't care, sorry. I'm all out of fucks to give.

MAGA is irredeemable.
 
Hey, Handy is being lenient. I didn't say anything about GITMO! I'm not paying to feed, clothe, and house Nazis for the rest of their miserable, pathetic lives. Fuck that.

At this time, I don't think we can afford to have a center. If you are a true believer in and supporter of our republican democracy, you will set aside your little pet issues and "Yeah buts" while we defeat the latest fascist threat.

For instance, I'll grant you that most of us here are probably in the minority on trans rights/acceptance, and that a majority of Americans likely struggle with the idea. However, if you believe in American values and keeping up America's role as a leader on the world stage, you have to decide - which issue is more important or concerning to you right now? Are you so worried about 0.6% of the population that you're willing to throw away America as we know it by putting this megalomaniac in charge again?

Some people apparently were. Those people are not the centrists they think they are.
Weird, seems to be a theme with the Retard Marxists.

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The Democratic Party has been centrist since 1992.

And all that has done is it has moved the center far far far to the right.

I've had it with the centrists as well. Piss or get off the pot. Pick a side.
What are you going to do about anything Gimpy? Besides cry.

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I thought Lincoln was the one who set that in motion, insisting the South not be punished. In fact, that was the real reason why Johnson was impeached, because they were pissed he insisted on following Lincoln's policy.
Lincoln was for parole and peace, but would have done it a different way. One of the reasons Johnson was chosen as Veep iirc is that he was a bit more sympathetic to Democrats in the South (as he was a Southern Democrat himself) and made Lincoln look like the uniter. Lincoln would have been too lenient as well, but he would have been a much better arbiter of it than Johnson was, who looked like a traitor letting the Southern Democratic States off the hook. I don't think Lincoln would have pushed to have the Southern States admitted as quickly as Johnson did and he certainly would not have allowed them to take political office so soon after the War. (Johnson did nothing to stop that) Lincoln would have also been able to unite the Republican Party on Black Suffrage which obviously Johnson could not do. Lastly, Johnson was not keen on making the South admit that they lost, Lincoln would have likely demanded that for re-admission.

(can you tell I am a teacher and read too many books about this time period?)
 
Michael Waltz: *adds contact to Signal*
*text chain ensues*
Jeffrey Goldberg: "Hey, so I was added to a super unsecured group chat that disclosed some very serious critical details about a campaign."
Internet: *collective gasp*
Pete Hegseth: *slurring* "He's a goddamned liar! He never was in the chat, and we never discussed anything of the sort!"
Karoline Leavitt: "No war plans were discussed on an unsecured group chat. Never happened."
Donald Trump: "Well, I hope Michael Waltz learned his lesson and doesn't invite random people into the group chat any more."


Once again, no one in the entire administration can get onto the same page with their talking points. 😂
 
Slap Shot,

We can have a Center (and of course will have one that is how spectrums work) but it is time to move the Center back where it belongs. The current Centrist Faction is basically Reagan Republicans with a slightly better view of Gays. They are not in any way actually in the Center of any idea. The issue is the Center has been moved so far to the Right that people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden are considered Progressive...which is just not true at all. The Democrats havent had a real Left flank in so long they allowed the Party, and politics in general, to drift to the disaster it is now. Then they basically neutered or even excommunicated anyone with real Leftist leanings in the name of "lets not tick anyone off!" and that lead to most of their strongest supporters abandoning them in record numbers.

The truth is, and they hate this but the last ten years have bore it out, the average Democratic Voter doesn't want this Right of Center Centrist BS. They want the Party to push farther left. Not all the way to full on Leftist, but definitely closer to Progressive. There is a reason Bernie and AOC are crushing right now. There is a reason the Democratic Party under current leadership (all Centrist) is polling at 29% even as Trump is polling in the 40s and tanking. The center is fraudulent because the spectrum has been abused.

Look, on many issues being Centrist is pragmatic and makes sense...but when you are fighting against Authoritarianism pragmatism is the enemy of revolution. It is one thing to be wishy washy on The Border or guns...it is another to enable terrorists to destroy the very institutions that make this country great. There is no "Center" when the Right is literally kidnapping citizens and legal immigrants and sending them to detention centers in foreign lands without due process. There is no pragmatism when the Right is threatening allies and giving away secrets to our enemies. There can be no Centrists when the Right is cozying up to Oligarchs...because the Center gets bought by them too. (ask Hakeem Jeffries) When sanity has been restored to the GOP and the terrorists have been punished, The Center can return to its rightful place on the spectrum. Until then though there is no space for the Center, because the Right has gone too far to the Right.
 
Michael Waltz: *adds contact to Signal*
*text chain ensues*
Jeffrey Goldberg: "Hey, so I was added to a super unsecured group chat that disclosed some very serious critical details about a campaign."
Internet: *collective gasp*
Pete Hegseth: *slurring* "He's a goddamned liar! He never was in the chat, and we never discussed anything of the sort!"
Karoline Leavitt: "No war plans were discussed on an unsecured group chat. Never happened."
Donald Trump: "Well, I hope Michael Waltz learned his lesson and doesn't invite random people into the group chat any more."


Once again, no one in the entire administration can get onto the same page with their talking points. 😂
Has the mainstream media even made a big deal out of it? Follow up, if the President had been Harris or Biden would the media have acted the same way?

(honest questions as I have completely cut out MSM unless a clip is on Bluesky)
 
Has the mainstream media even made a big deal out of it? Follow up, if the President had been Harris or Biden would the media have acted the same way?

(honest questions as I have completely cut out MSM unless a clip is on Bluesky)
Dan Crenshaw says it’s time to move on

Had he lost his eye in Afghanistan under a dem, he’d have exploded
 
Has the mainstream media even made a big deal out of it? Follow up, if the President had been Harris or Biden would the media have acted the same way?

(honest questions as I have completely cut out MSM unless a clip is on Bluesky)
Social media seems to show it making the nightly news shows on cable last night (except FOX News, quelle surprise), and CNBC has touched on it and couple times (but moved on).

You're absolutely right, had this happened under a Dem administration, the entire Pentagon would be a crater from the firebombing from Republicans.
 
One of them was in Russia lmao

Russia has hacked signal
I'm pretty sure Signal's encryption has been cracked before. About 12-18 months ago, they issued a statement that going forward their app would no longer receive & process SMS/MMS protocol messages because they are insecure. At the time this caused a lot of people, myself included, to stop using Signal altogether because otherwise I would've had to ask all of my family members to switch texting apps, and I wasn't going to explain why to each of them. However, I always suspected the real reason was that they discovered some hacker backdoor via SMS/MMS in their RCS encryption algorithm at the time.
 
Handy my overall point was less about the bona fides of "the center" and more about the idea of putting MAGA on trial. I'm not against the theory but...

Anyway it's good to see the NYT finally catch on about 5 (9?) year too late:

President Trump’s first term was filled with falsehoods. Now, his administration has effectively institutionalized disinformation.

Yup:
 
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