DIII game notes

[elbojpb]

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And "lack of success" is a pretty strong term considering they're still a top team by record with one of the best defenses and a goalie who is leading two of the major goaltending categories in DIII.

Hence the qualifier "recent" ... 7-2-3 over the past six weeks is marginally uncharacteristic of EC Women's Hockey.

 

[Scott_TG]

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USCHO Poll: Norwich swaps spots with Elmira. Oswego jumps two spots despite the 1-1 weekend, swapping spots with Middlebury who was swept by Hamilton this past weekend. Every ranked Western team stayed in their rank from last week.

Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Plattsburgh (15) 18- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin-River Falls 21- 1-0 130 2
3 Adrian 17- 2-0 121 3
4 Norwich 14- 3-1 99 5
5 Elmira 14- 2-3 93 4
6 Lake Forest 16- 2-1 76 6
7 Oswego 15- 4-0 33 9
8 Amherst 9- 5-4 28 8
9 Middlebury 9- 5-2 25 7
10 Augsburg 13- 6-0 15 10

D3hockey site poll: Middlebury is only penalized one spot in the ranks by these voters while Oswego remains unchanged for them making Lake Forest the beneficiary of the sweep by Hamilton, who impressed the voters enough with the sweep to take Amherst's 10 spot in their ranking.


# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
1 Plattsburgh State (15) 18-1 150 1
2 UW-River Falls 21-1 134 2
3 Adrian 17-2 116 3
4 Norwich 14-3-1 109 4
5 Elmira 14-2-3 82 5
6 Lake Forest 16-2-1 80 7
7 Middlebury 9-5-2 50 6
8 Oswego State 15-4 37 8
9 Connecticut College 11-5-2 28 9
10 Hamilton 11-5-2 22 NR

 

[bearcat]

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USCHO Poll: Norwich swaps spots with Elmira. Oswego jumps two spots despite the 1-1 weekend, swapping spots with Middlebury who was swept by Hamilton this past weekend. Every ranked Western team stayed in their rank from last week.

Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Plattsburgh (15) 18- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin-River Falls 21- 1-0 130 2
3 Adrian 17- 2-0 121 3
4 Norwich 14- 3-1 99 5
5 Elmira 14- 2-3 93 4
6 Lake Forest 16- 2-1 76 6
7 Oswego 15- 4-0 33 9
8 Amherst 9- 5-4 28 8
9 Middlebury 9- 5-2 25 7
10 Augsburg 13- 6-0 15 10

D3hockey site poll: Middlebury is only penalized one spot in the ranks by these voters while Oswego remains unchanged for them making Lake Forest the beneficiary of the sweep by Hamilton, who impressed the voters enough with the sweep to take Amherst's 10 spot in their ranking.


# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
1 Plattsburgh State (15) 18-1 150 1
2 UW-River Falls 21-1 134 2
3 Adrian 17-2 116 3
4 Norwich 14-3-1 109 4
5 Elmira 14-2-3 82 5
6 Lake Forest 16-2-1 80 7
7 Middlebury 9-5-2 50 6
8 Oswego State 15-4 37 8
9 Connecticut College 11-5-2 28 9
10 Hamilton 11-5-2 22 NR

at least the D3.com poll is rational....uscho? not so much. Hamilton sweeps Midd but no ranking? Conn sweeps Amherst but gets no credit. The uscho poll is total politics and coaches who "rank" based purely on past reputation, not facts or reality.

 

[HockeyEast33]

at least the D3.com poll is rational....uscho? not so much. Hamilton sweeps Midd but no ranking? Conn sweeps Amherst but gets no credit. The uscho poll is total politics and coaches who "rank" based purely on past reputation, not facts or reality.

So I agree with some of what you say, but Hamilton has lost to Williams, Morrisville (and tied them), Trinity, and Wesleyan (and tied them). They had a special weekend at Middlebury but they are not that good. And neither is Midd. And neither is Amherst who gave up a 3 goal lead to Williams on Saturday at home. Conn college is clearly the best team in the NESCAC this year and should be highest in the rankings (much as I hate to think about a final four at their godawful rink).

 

[bearcat]

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So I agree with some of what you say, but Hamilton has lost to Williams, Morrisville (and tied them), Trinity, and Wesleyan (and tied them). They had a special weekend at Middlebury but they are not that good. And neither is Midd. And neither is Amherst who gave up a 3 goal lead to Williams on Saturday at home. Conn college is clearly the best team in the NESCAC this year and should be highest in the rankings (much as I hate to think about a final four at their godawful rink).

lol. can't say i disagree...except Midd has beaten some top teams and then again has managed to lose to several average nescacs [is the nescac that weak or is it that strong???]. I don't really think Conn is that good...other than great at keeping pucks out of their net....very hard team to score on. I think Amherst, for all their warts, is the best in the nescac [though they are obviously beatable and rely way too much on Topal and their PP to win games, much like Midd does with Winslow, Watson and Young]. Conn has the most depth/balance but no 'go to' dominant offensive player which could hurt them in a big game. Hammy has been a surprise...getting some offense and the goalie is very good when she's on. Williams is just an inconsistent hot mess...great one day, terrible the next....Bowdoin is similar...hard to figure if the PBears are for real.

Interesting year as really 6 or even 7 teams could win the conf tourney...no clear favorite...It will come down to goaltending and the usual #$#%#$ officiating in this conf. If the refs decide it, then it will be Midd or Amherst. If they let the kids play, then anyone could win...even Trinny or Wesly with a hot goalie in the tournament. Flip a coin because this one is a crap shoot.

Also agree...would love to see Dayton host the finals....with girls dressing in the parking lot. That rink is a joke.

 

[shelfit]

Hate to admit it but Conn should be ahead of Midd in the rankings. Them being ranked behind Oswego is very laughable too.

 

[obserbear]

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lol. can't say i disagree...except Midd has beaten some top teams and then again has managed to lose to several average nescacs [is the nescac that weak or is it that strong???]. I don't really think Conn is that good...other than great at keeping pucks out of their net....very hard team to score on. I think Amherst, for all their warts, is the best in the nescac [though they are obviously beatable and rely way too much on Topal and their PP to win games, much like Midd does with Winslow, Watson and Young]. Conn has the most depth/balance but no 'go to' dominant offensive player which could hurt them in a big game. Hammy has been a surprise...getting some offense and the goalie is very good when she's on. Williams is just an inconsistent hot mess...great one day, terrible the next....Bowdoin is similar...hard to figure if the PBears are for real.

Interesting year as really 6 or even 7 teams could win the conf tourney...no clear favorite...It will come down to goaltending and the usual #$#%#$ officiating in this conf. If the refs decide it, then it will be Midd or Amherst. If they let the kids play, then anyone could win...even Trinny or Wesly with a hot goalie in the tournament. Flip a coin because this one is a crap shoot.

Also agree...would love to see Dayton host the finals....with girls dressing in the parking lot. That rink is a joke.

Very concise analysis of the NESCAC. The big question will be: does any NESCAC team have a shot at a Pool 'C' bid? I think the answer may come down to Middlebury winning at least one of their remaining non-conference games. By the by, our house is about 15 minutes from Dayton...

 

[Scott_TG]

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...Also agree...would love to see Dayton host the finals....with girls dressing in the parking lot. That rink is a joke.

Does the NESCAC not have rink requirements for hosting the conference finals? Or does Dayton meet requirements on paper but in reality it's not really suitable for a tourney?

 

[CrossCheck]

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Does the NESCAC not have rink requirements for hosting the conference finals? Or does Dayton meet requirements on paper but in reality it's not really suitable for a tourney?

I think everybody may be getting a little ahead of themselves here about Conn hosting the finals...there is still a lot of hockey to play and nothing in the Nessie is settled at this point. Conn still has to play Trin, Bow, Colby and Hamilton to close out the year [likely to determine #1 seed].

And speaking of bad rinks, I think I'd actually rank Hamilton's below Conn [yes, it's historic but there is literally room for 50 spectators and there are poles not just blocking your view, but blocking access to the ice from the benches....just a disaster.

 

[Scott_TG]

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I think everybody may be getting a little ahead of themselves here about Conn hosting the finals...there is still a lot of hockey to play and nothing in the Nessie is settled at this point. Conn still has to play Trin, Bow, Colby and Hamilton to close out the year [likely to determine #1 seed].

And speaking of bad rinks, I think I'd actually rank Hamilton's below Conn [yes, it's historic but there is literally room for 50 spectators and there are poles not just blocking your view, but blocking access to the ice from the benches....just a disaster.

Wasn't trying to join anyone in crowning Conn the host, just asking about the rink as the only NESCAC rink I've seen is Amherst.

 

[Scott_TG]

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Jillian Moffatt of LVC is making local news for having the second most saves in a game in DIII history. Her 92 save performance against Sacred Heart this past weekend trails only Chatham's Sirena Enright's 101 save performance against the 2005-06 Plattsburgh Cardinals. Current Plattsburgh assistant Danielle Blanchard scored her first collegiate goal in the Enright game.

On paper the edge goes to Moffatt as she only gave up 4 compared to Enright's 10, though that could be attributed to quality of opponent.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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I think everybody may be getting a little ahead of themselves here about Conn hosting the finals...there is still a lot of hockey to play and nothing in the Nessie is settled at this point. Conn still has to play Trin, Bow, Colby and Hamilton to close out the year [likely to determine #1 seed].

And speaking of bad rinks, I think I'd actually rank Hamilton's below Conn [yes, it's historic but there is literally room for 50 spectators and there are poles not just blocking your view, but blocking access to the ice from the benches....just a disaster.

Conn will wipe the ice with Trinity and Colby. Hamilton is a home series and that will get them the wins (they are 6-1-1 there according to collegehockeystats.net). Bowdoin away is their biggest challenge and could be a loss but they will still win the league with that loss. There is a pretty high probability that they will host the tourney unless they implode.

You're pretty much the only person who would rank Hamilton rink below Dayton. I'd say Hamilton has 100-150 decent viewing seats (I did the math once between periods - I know, sad). That is 100-150 more decent seats than Dayton - there is no place in that rink that has a decent siteline to the whole rink. And the Dayton dressing room situation is embarrassing. It was clearly planned with no anticipation of a conference tourney being played there - I'm not sure where 2 of the 4 teams would dress.

To answer the other posted question I don't believe that there are minimum requirements for hosting the conference tourney. If you are in the conference and your rink is acceptable for league play, then it is acceptable for hosting the tournament to my understanding. I'd rate the rinks something like this top to bottom (I think I did this once before - hope I give the same answer, but probably not):

1. Middlebury
2. Bowdoin (debatable with Middlebury)
3. Trinity (setting aside the location)
4. Colby
5. Wesleyan
6. Williams
7. Amherst
8. Hamilton
9. Conn College

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Big tilt tonight between Norwich and Middlebury at Kenyon at 7pm. I'll be tuning in. Norwich could make a big statement towards establishing itself as 2E right now with a win.

Elmira and Plattsburgh looming in a couple weeks could change that, but assuming Plattsburgh gets three or more points, NU would appear to be a clear cut #2 seed right now.

 

[4and20]

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1. Middlebury
2. Bowdoin (debatable with Middlebury)
3. Trinity (setting aside the location)
4. Colby
5. Wesleyan
6. Williams
7. Amherst
8. Hamilton
9. Conn College

How many of these rinks have the Penalty Box next to the home team bench and how many lay out a buffet for the referee's like your first choice?

 

[HockeyEast33]

How many of these rinks have the Penalty Box next to the home team bench and how many lay out a buffet for the referee's like your first choice?

Well, lets see - Williams, Middlebury, Colby, Conn College I think. They were the ones smart enough to lay out the rink to their advantage. I don't thinking feeding the refs determines rink quality - anyone can do that if they are smart enough to think of it. This is a pretty silly comment. But don't mind me, I'm recovering from a 50-14 SOG ice wiping of Trinity by Conn College that they still managed to lose!

 

[bearcat]

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Well, lets see - Williams, Middlebury, Colby, Conn College I think. They were the ones smart enough to lay out the rink to their advantage. I don't thinking feeding the refs determines rink quality - anyone can do that if they are smart enough to think of it. This is a pretty silly comment. But don't mind me, I'm recovering from a 50-14 SOG ice wiping of Trinity by Conn College that they still managed to lose!

My ranking would be:

Bowdoin [for $26M it better be **** nice]
Midd [based purely on functionality, however, the rink is cold looking and ugly]
Colby [not the newest or fanciest, but a very nice rink]
Amherst [older and dated, but classy like my women]
Williams [older and a bit tired, but good viewing. functional]
Wesleyan [sort of a throwback, tied looking, poor lighting, don't like the connected complex]
Trinity [for a new rink, really terrible. just a hodge-podge mess of a place. poorly designed and executed. get a refund]
Conn [under funded, under built...fake locker rooms. good ice and good lighting, otherwise terrible. school should be embarrassed]
Hamilton [old and dumpy. not regulation size. almost no seating, and everyone gets an obstructed view seat. the support poles ruin it].



IMO teams should not be able to do what Midd does [their Penalty box is attached to their bench, the visitor's box is across the ice on the farthest point from the vistors bench]...and PS, Conn does not do that..both penalty boxes are near each respective bench.

 

[spwood]

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Since Derek didn't follow up, Middlebury skated past Norwich last night 5-3. Shots were only 21-19 in favor of Norwich. Norwich went 2 for 4 on the power play and Middlebury went 2 for 2. Not much defense or goaltending in this one it seems.

 

[tjoneslo]

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Since Derek didn't follow up, Middlebury skated past Norwich last night 5-3. Shots were only 21-19 in favor of Norwich. Norwich went 2 for 4 on the power play and Middlebury went 2 for 2. Not much defense or goaltending in this one it seems.

You, obviously, missed seeing an excellent well played game. There were many more shots, but all the weak-*** shots that would normally inflate a shot count were blocked by the defense. Back and forth action all three periods, very physical and everyone on both sides were complaining, loudly, about uncalled penalties. Norwich showed up to play a game, Midd showed up to play Norwich.

 

[Scott_TG]

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First finals of the weekend include a 3-1 win over Chatham and a 2-0 win by Morrisville over Endicott on the back of 2 3rd period goals.

 

[gojackets]

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ECAC-West [SUNYAC?] (5)
Buffalo State
Cortland
Oswego
Plattsburgh
Potsdam


WIAC (4)
UW-Eau Claire
UW-River Falls
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Superior


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I'd have to assume that this spells doom for the WIAC programs. If they have to fight the ECAC-W for the pool B slot, they will lose as history shows. You'd assume that it would then come down to the WIAC 1 team vs the ECAC-W 2 team for a pool c... What's the status of adding another tournament team?