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Diet and Exercise 2013: Ready to Suffer and Ready to Hope

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Rimbaud said:
As for the processed food thing and whole grains bit, are you saying things like whole barley, oatmeal, bulgur, farrow, and the like don't have health benefits? Or that stuff like breads that say they're made with whole wheat and whole grain aren't as good for you as they claim?
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They have health benefits, but grains promote gut inflammation. You can get most of the same, if not more, benefits associated with whole grains in green leafy vegetables (kale, spinach, etc).

This is a good read regarding grains: http://whole9life.com/2013/02/grain-manifesto/

I keep going back to the creators of Whole9life and the whole30 program because they back up their statements with the science of the body.
 
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The whole9 thing strikes me as "cultish" to me. I don't know what it is about it, but I simply feel like they are snake oil salesmen. :o

If it works for you and makes you feel better great, go for it. I don't want a flame war about it. It's not a judgement on people who follow it. Maybe it is more of a presentation thing than a content thing for me.

My personal philosophy is: as long as it is not a highly processed food, if you like it, it makes you feel good, eat it. I am a vegetarian haven't had meat in years and years. That change was one of conscience for me more than it was a health one. But still it has worked well for me as I feel better on multiple levels since I have changed my diet.
 
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bottomdweller said:
They have health benefits, but grains promote gut inflammation.

I keep going back to the creators of Whole9life and the whole30 program because they back up their statements with the science of the body.
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Again, I will preface my comments by saying I have no problem with paleo if it works for people. Go for it since it is a hell of a lot better than an average American diet.

However, there is this large infatuation with inflammation. Certain individuals (Celiac, lactose intolerant) do have extensive problems digesting certain foods. These conditions exist on a gradient, but I have not seen the evidence that small amounts of inflammation (for a general population) are bad. We live in a complicated harmony with more bacterial cells than human cells in our gut. The amount of neural connections in our gut is staggering. I just do not see the clear cut evidence on that site or in the primary literature. I have no doubt the owners of the site will get you healthy and happy but from the looks of their qualifications (and citations within the site) I do not think they are able to synthesize the confusing mess of literature on the topic. Additionally, I am always very cautions about any site that has a testimonials page.
 
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MattS said:
The whole9 thing strikes me as "cultish" to me.
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In a way, it is. Not that it is such a bad thing. Humans work "well" (efficiently?) in groups and part of a group mentality. If it helps people change their lives for the better (and not harm others), go for it :)
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
In a way, it is. Not that it is such a bad thing. Humans work "well" (efficiently?) in groups and part of a group mentality. If it helps people change their lives for the better (and not harm others), go for it :)
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I will agree with the cultish aspect of it... but even the people who created it, it's not how they live their lives on a day-to-day basis... it's more of a way to get yourself ready for a cleaner eating lifestyle. The support they offer is nice though. It's kind of that tough love approach that I think works well for most people. And with the inflammation, they explain how it affects certain aspects of your health, and you know what, I'm sure some isn't going to kill you either.

I think it's more a way of trying to differentiate between being healthy and trying to lose weight. For optimum health, I guess you'd want your body to absorb all of the nutrients that are in food with the least amount of side affects. So in that light, the no grain aspect of it would mean you're more healthy than if you do eat it. But like you said, having some inflammation isn't goign to kill anyone. For me, and I'm a pretty big guy, when I have done a Whole30 program, by the time the 30 days was up, there was a noticable difference in the size of my gut because I was a horrible eater prior to doing it. Pasta a couple times a week, a sandwich or two a day, etc. So obvioulsy, I was going to see more results than the person who goes out and has a slice of pizza on the run, but eats a salad with lean protein everyday for lunch.

To each his own. As long as people are eating in a way that makes them happy and not super unhealthy, do it up. If you want to eat 100% organic, by all means do so.

Hope you all enjoy the long weekend.
 
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-About 14 weeks ago I decided I needed to finally get my weight under control. I wasn't obese, but my h.s. football weight of 170 was way in the rear-view mirror and I finally got fed up.
-I cut fast-food nearly cold turkey. If I get the kids FF (once per week max anyway) I might get a salad, or grilled chicken but leave out the mayo, cheese, french fries, Coke etc. Even at Subway left off the cheese, mayo, only wheat bread etc.
-One of my biggest things was cookies and milk. Not once since.
-No more eating after 8 unless it was something extreme and typically only some fruit or a bowl of cereal.
-Instead of virtually nothing for breakfast I've been making fruit smoothies with OJ, non-fat yogurt, fruit and sometimes granola.
-Instead of FF for lunch or nothing at all, a salad (no cheese, bacon bits, etc.) or some granola bars.
-Eat a solid decent dinner but left out fried stuff which my wife loves, etc.
-Almost no alcohol Sun - Thur save maybe a beer or glass of wine.
-Going to the club 3-4 times per week, running 3 miles and lifting and a few core exercises
-If I feel like some chips I put a handful into a bowl instead of sitting on the couch with the bag.

The cravings I always had even when stuffing my face are almost virtually gone and when they are there they are fleeting. My sleep schedule still isn't the greatest, but I have been getting more and rarely go to bed on a stomach full of booze.

I'm down about 18 pounds and am not even half-way to my goal, but I won't lie and say it doesn't feel great. Have a lot of work to do and have to make sure I don't relapse, but I am the most encouraged at this attempt than any I have tried the last decade.
 
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bottomdweller said:
I will agree with the cultish aspect of it... but even the people who created it, it's not how they live their lives on a day-to-day basis... it's more of a way to get yourself ready for a cleaner eating lifestyle. The support they offer is nice though. It's kind of that tough love approach that I think works well for most people. And with the inflammation, they explain how it affects certain aspects of your health, and you know what, I'm sure some isn't going to kill you either.

I think it's more a way of trying to differentiate between being healthy and trying to lose weight. For optimum health, I guess you'd want your body to absorb all of the nutrients that are in food with the least amount of side affects. So in that light, the no grain aspect of it would mean you're more healthy than if you do eat it. But like you said, having some inflammation isn't goign to kill anyone. For me, and I'm a pretty big guy, when I have done a Whole30 program, by the time the 30 days was up, there was a noticable difference in the size of my gut because I was a horrible eater prior to doing it. Pasta a couple times a week, a sandwich or two a day, etc. So obvioulsy, I was going to see more results than the person who goes out and has a slice of pizza on the run, but eats a salad with lean protein everyday for lunch.

To each his own. As long as people are eating in a way that makes them happy and not super unhealthy, do it up. If you want to eat 100% organic, by all means do so.

Hope you all enjoy the long weekend.
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Which is why I decided to do a whole30 (now whole60). And inflammation had nothing to do with my choice to give up grains. My problem is that I can't stop eating grains and sugar, and after reading It Starts With Food and Wheat Belly, I realized it was better to give them up. Not only that, I had fallen into a rut... I was eating cereal for breakfast and a sandwich for lunch, with a huge bottle of Coke Zero for dinner.

Also, calorie counting to me anyway, sucked all the fun out of food. Food is one of my passions, and I like to cook, purchase food (I love grocery shopping) and try new things (I will not order the same thing at a restaurant twice). And once this whole60 is complete, the only thing I might reintroduce is dairy. I miss yogurt and cheese, and when I go back, it will be whole milk, organic, and unsweetened dairy all the way.
 
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Slap Shot said:
The cravings I always had even when stuffing my face are almost virtually gone and when they are there they are fleeting. My sleep schedule still isn't the greatest, but I have been getting more and rarely go to bed on a stomach full of booze.

I'm down about 18 pounds and am not even half-way to my goal, but I won't lie and say it doesn't feel great. Have a lot of work to do and have to make sure I don't relapse, but I am the most encouraged at this attempt than any I have tried the last decade.
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Good work! Cutting out large amounts of alcohol before bed should really help getting back into a healthy sleep schedule. Alcohol really disrupts stage 3 and 4 sleep (the deepest sleep) so even if you sleep 8-9 hours, very little of it will restorative.

That's still one of my major problems. I am still young, stupid, and a fan of good (high ABV) beer. It is not the calories that mess me up but the havoc it creates with my sleep.
 
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One of my goals by the end of the year was to run a 10:00/mile. Today, I ran a 9:35 mile. I really think the whole60 had something to do with it! Now to sustain this pace...
 
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My whole60 ends tomorrow. Met with the dietitian Wednesday, and I shared my copy of It Starts With Food, along with the whole30 concept, and she said to keep it up. She did suggest bringing back yogurt and cheese, and if I do, it's going to be full-fat. Nonfat plain Greek yogurt tastes like nothing, and I'd have to add fruit or some form of sugar to make it palatable. But to be honest, I feel so good without the butter and cheese, and I'm getting ample protein from my meat intake, so why bring dairy back at all?

Also, I've been using fruit to prop up my sugar intake, and that has to stop. If it means going without fruit for awhile, so be it.
 
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bottomdweller said:
I don't know about you, I'm wondering how this person found seal liver for $147/lb. I can't get it for less that $236.50.
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It's black market and only right after the baby seal hunts for the fur. You have to know a guy.
 
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I'm now 25 lighter, half-way to my goal (although I think my frame would support even another 5 on top of that) to being pretty comfortable. I also bought on-line some hyaluronic acid supplements with collagen and if early indications are valid the knees will feel remarkably better before much longer. Some of it can be attributed to smarter training, but from the research I did I feel comfortable in diagnosing that arthritis and a loss of fluid in the knees was more responsible than any particular injury.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I'm now 25 lighter, half-way to my goal (although I think my frame would support even another 5 on top of that) to being pretty comfortable. I also bought on-line some hyaluronic acid supplements with collagen and if early indications are valid the knees will feel remarkably better before much longer. Some of it can be attributed to smarter training, but from the research I did I feel comfortable in diagnosing that arthritis and a loss of fluid in the knees was more responsible than any particular injury.
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I read that every pound of weight is 4 extra pounds of pressure on your knees. :eek: so that's 100 pounds less pressure on your knees already. :)
 
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jen said:
I read that every pound of weight is 4 extra pounds of pressure on your knees. :eek: so that's 100 pounds less pressure on your knees already. :)
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I absolutely considered this as it pertains to the pain and you're probably quite right, but it has "felt" like it was more than just that which is why I gave the supplements a chance to additionally skin the cat. ;)
 
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Slap Shot said:
I'm now 25 lighter, half-way to my goal (although I think my frame would support even another 5 on top of that) to being pretty comfortable. I also bought on-line some hyaluronic acid supplements with collagen and if early indications are valid the knees will feel remarkably better before much longer. Some of it can be attributed to smarter training, but from the research I did I feel comfortable in diagnosing that arthritis and a loss of fluid in the knees was more responsible than any particular injury.
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Yeah, I've been taking hyaluronic acid as well and my hands have been feeling a lot better lately. Still think I'm going to keep doing the nutrablasts with a dash of tumeric in them as well. Every little bit helps.
 
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Joined my employer's weight loss contest this week. First weigh-in is July 9th, and results will be based on percentage of weight lost to make it more fair. Since I have less to lose than many possible competitors at my company, I'm not sure I'll take first place, but the prize money would be a sweet $2500.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
My whole60 ends tomorrow. Met with the dietitian Wednesday, and I shared my copy of It Starts With Food, along with the whole30 concept, and she said to keep it up. She did suggest bringing back yogurt and cheese, and if I do, it's going to be full-fat. Nonfat plain Greek yogurt tastes like nothing, and I'd have to add fruit or some form of sugar to make it palatable. But to be honest, I feel so good without the butter and cheese, and I'm getting ample protein from my meat intake, so why bring dairy back at all?

Also, I've been using fruit to prop up my sugar intake, and that has to stop. If it means going without fruit for awhile, so be it.
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I'd follow their introduction plan mainly just so you know from here on out how those foods affect your body. I've found that liquid dairy has more of an affect on my system than cheese does. But the dietician is right in saying that any dairy you add back should be of the full fat variety. I've been doing a whole30 for June and I'm curious to see what the results are going to be come next Monday. Had my weight, body fat %, and normal measurements taken in May.
 
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