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Did the officials screw up
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Re: Did the officials screw up
I don't think you can truly appreciate how difficult that call is unless you've tried to do it yourself. Even a relatively low recreational level (a couple of USCHO posters' games), it's a lot harder than I had ever imagined it would be to identify when the puck is frozen.
I don't think you can truly appreciate how difficult that call is unless you've tried to do it yourself. Even a relatively low recreational level (a couple of USCHO posters' games), it's a lot harder than I had ever imagined it would be to identify when the puck is frozen.
Re: Did the officials screw up
Actually the right call was made last night. Everyone knows the rules before they step on the ice. You can't change the rules as you go along and the rules of NCAA hockey were followed to the letter. Just because you your team lost, doesn't mean the right call wasn't made.
Actually the right call was made last night. Everyone knows the rules before they step on the ice. You can't change the rules as you go along and the rules of NCAA hockey were followed to the letter. Just because you your team lost, doesn't mean the right call wasn't made.
Re: Did the officials screw up
Originally Posted by MaizeRage
There was the possibility for the right one to be made last night, and it was not.
It's Ok MaizeRage and I hope you don't take it the wrong way. You lost the call was correct Video should be banned from all sports!!!!!!!! Why have ruels and officials. If you wish to have a video game so be it your more than welcome to start a team just for Mich.
I know that sounds bad sorry!
Originally Posted by MaizeRage
There was the possibility for the right one to be made last night, and it was not.
It's Ok MaizeRage and I hope you don't take it the wrong way. You lost the call was correct Video should be banned from all sports!!!!!!!! Why have ruels and officials. If you wish to have a video game so be it your more than welcome to start a team just for Mich.
I know that sounds bad sorry!
Re: Did the officials screw up
Didn't see the play, so I make no judgment on whether it was good or not.
My hope for this game was that there would be no controversial calls. And if there were any controversial calls, I'm glad that the call went against Michigan. Not because I hate Michigan, but if they had won on a controversial call, the discussion wouldn't be about whether the refs screwed up or not; it would be whether or not the fix was in to help with attendance at the FFFF.
Didn't see the play, so I make no judgment on whether it was good or not.
My hope for this game was that there would be no controversial calls. And if there were any controversial calls, I'm glad that the call went against Michigan. Not because I hate Michigan, but if they had won on a controversial call, the discussion wouldn't be about whether the refs screwed up or not; it would be whether or not the fix was in to help with attendance at the FFFF.
outdoorice
New member
Re: Did the officials screw up
Unfortunately, the whistle had blown before the goal was scored. It happens all the time. That's hockey. It sucks if you are Michigan, tho.
Unfortunately, the whistle had blown before the goal was scored. It happens all the time. That's hockey. It sucks if you are Michigan, tho.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Did the officials screw up
The problem you run into here is they're supposed to blow it dead when they lose sight of the puck. There's no possible way to review that short of a helmet camera which I don't think we're likely to see...
Pirateasaurus
New member
Re: Did the officials screw up
Michigan fans are red wings fans and therefore, they've been dealt worse many times before.
Michigan fans are red wings fans and therefore, they've been dealt worse many times before.
Re: Did the officials screw up
No.
It's a well-established fact that every conference has the worst officials in the country.
No.
It's a well-established fact that every conference has the worst officials in the country.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Did the officials screw up
I have it on good authority that title belongs to the ECAC...
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Did the officials screw up
Hello, I have the solution. Let's do what speed skating does and just advance Michigan, too.
Hello, I have the solution. Let's do what speed skating does and just advance Michigan, too.
superfan11
New member
Re: Did the officials screw up
hahahahahaha now that's hard to argue....love it
hahahahahaha now that's hard to argue....love it
MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
Re: Did the officials screw up
It was the right call. The rule is clear and it was followed. We've all fallen victim to this one and I'm sure for UM fans this was a hard one to digest given the timing. It was an amazing hockey game--the best of the weekend (which had a lot of good games). Big Blue outplayed them in the first OT and didn't get the bounce. I have to say I'm glad for the Redhawks, that the Hockey Gods shone down on them and are allowing a chance of redemption. I was there last April and I still can't believe it happened.
It was the right call. The rule is clear and it was followed. We've all fallen victim to this one and I'm sure for UM fans this was a hard one to digest given the timing. It was an amazing hockey game--the best of the weekend (which had a lot of good games). Big Blue outplayed them in the first OT and didn't get the bounce. I have to say I'm glad for the Redhawks, that the Hockey Gods shone down on them and are allowing a chance of redemption. I was there last April and I still can't believe it happened.
Redskins4evr
No hockey when I went there!
Re: Did the officials screw up
Here's the deal...if your team lost it was a bad call...if your team won it was good call...if you have never reffed you just don't know.
Here's the deal...if your team lost it was a bad call...if your team won it was good call...if you have never reffed you just don't know.
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Let me remind people of something. I did not ask if the officials cost Michigan the game. Michigan had chance after chance after chance to win this game and either were stopped by a goalie that was on fire, or just missed.
With that said, the question remains (and likely will always remain) not if the goal should have been disallowed or allowed), but WHAT WAS THE REASON THE WHISTLE WAS BLOWN.
I have heard nothing official, and likely never will, about why the official blew the play dead. It was clear the whistle was blown prior to the puck entering the net, so no matter what, once the whistle was blown it wasn't going to be a goal.
There appear to be three possible reasons it was blown.
First, since it was a delayed penalty call on Miami, the official felt Miami had controlled the puck, thus the whistle should have been blown.
In regards to this possiblity and the way the rule reads the official messed up by ruling Miami had controlled the puck.
Second, the official lost sight of the puck.
If this is the reason it was blown dead, then evry time the puck sneaks behind the goalie and the view of the puck is blocked, then the officials should blow it dead. The fact they don't blow it dead shows serious inconsistancy in officiating, not only from game to game, but within game itself (Miami's second goal).
The final reason it could have been blown dead, that hasn't been mentioned is something I thought of on review of the tape on Youtube.
If I recall correctly from the radio broadcast the face off was brought out to center ice after the review. I can think of only one reason the faceoff would come outside and that would be a violation by Michigan, such as a player in the crease. Lynch was in the crease when he shot the puck, but clearly went in after it, not before it was in the crease and it appearsdid not interfere with Knapp.
Unless we know the reason it was blown dead, it's hard to speculate on if it was truely a blown call, a quick whistle or a correct call.
From the prespective of a Michigan fan, I don't think Miami would have much of an argument if the goal was allowed and Michigan had won the game. I would like some Miami fans, or non-Michigan fans to state what the argument would be against the goal being allowed had the whistle not blown on the play (and the official did not have intent to blow it prior to the puck entering the net).
As for the argument about the possible Fix being in argument to get Michigan to the Frozen Four given the location at Ford Field. I know some people would make that argument, but I always find the fix arguments to be the lamest of all.
I know the NCAA couldn't publically state they wanted Michigan to make it, but privately you had better beleive the NCAA was hoping Michigan made it.
The NCAA is about $$$$$$ more than anything and having Michigan playing in the FF in Detroit would be huge for attendance at the game, plus it would be huge for the economy of Detroit (The smelly armpit of Michigan)
For the record I do live in the Metro Detroit Area and I think Detroit is a city in need of serious help and reorganization. Having Michigan make the FF would have been a huge boost to the economy of SE Michigan and Detroit. With Miami in the FF it doesn't bring nearly the drawto the event.
Oh well what happened happened and all we can do now is discuss it and hope the FF goes off successfully with Great Hockey being played
BTW: Go Miami, bring home a title for the CCHA.
Let me remind people of something. I did not ask if the officials cost Michigan the game. Michigan had chance after chance after chance to win this game and either were stopped by a goalie that was on fire, or just missed.
With that said, the question remains (and likely will always remain) not if the goal should have been disallowed or allowed), but WHAT WAS THE REASON THE WHISTLE WAS BLOWN.
I have heard nothing official, and likely never will, about why the official blew the play dead. It was clear the whistle was blown prior to the puck entering the net, so no matter what, once the whistle was blown it wasn't going to be a goal.
There appear to be three possible reasons it was blown.
First, since it was a delayed penalty call on Miami, the official felt Miami had controlled the puck, thus the whistle should have been blown.
In regards to this possiblity and the way the rule reads the official messed up by ruling Miami had controlled the puck.
Second, the official lost sight of the puck.
If this is the reason it was blown dead, then evry time the puck sneaks behind the goalie and the view of the puck is blocked, then the officials should blow it dead. The fact they don't blow it dead shows serious inconsistancy in officiating, not only from game to game, but within game itself (Miami's second goal).
The final reason it could have been blown dead, that hasn't been mentioned is something I thought of on review of the tape on Youtube.
If I recall correctly from the radio broadcast the face off was brought out to center ice after the review. I can think of only one reason the faceoff would come outside and that would be a violation by Michigan, such as a player in the crease. Lynch was in the crease when he shot the puck, but clearly went in after it, not before it was in the crease and it appearsdid not interfere with Knapp.
Unless we know the reason it was blown dead, it's hard to speculate on if it was truely a blown call, a quick whistle or a correct call.
From the prespective of a Michigan fan, I don't think Miami would have much of an argument if the goal was allowed and Michigan had won the game. I would like some Miami fans, or non-Michigan fans to state what the argument would be against the goal being allowed had the whistle not blown on the play (and the official did not have intent to blow it prior to the puck entering the net).
As for the argument about the possible Fix being in argument to get Michigan to the Frozen Four given the location at Ford Field. I know some people would make that argument, but I always find the fix arguments to be the lamest of all.
I know the NCAA couldn't publically state they wanted Michigan to make it, but privately you had better beleive the NCAA was hoping Michigan made it.
The NCAA is about $$$$$$ more than anything and having Michigan playing in the FF in Detroit would be huge for attendance at the game, plus it would be huge for the economy of Detroit (The smelly armpit of Michigan)
For the record I do live in the Metro Detroit Area and I think Detroit is a city in need of serious help and reorganization. Having Michigan make the FF would have been a huge boost to the economy of SE Michigan and Detroit. With Miami in the FF it doesn't bring nearly the drawto the event.
Oh well what happened happened and all we can do now is discuss it and hope the FF goes off successfully with Great Hockey being played
BTW: Go Miami, bring home a title for the CCHA.
Re: Did the officials screw up
I may not have reffed hockey, but I am a ref in many other sports so please don't tell me I just don't know.
I would guess I have spent more time officiating than most of the posters on this forum so I do know a thing or two about the rules, how to read the rules and the rule about being consistant.
The biggest issue remains, why was the whistle blown? Until we knw that answer officially, we are all speculating as to what the decision making was.
I may not have reffed hockey, but I am a ref in many other sports so please don't tell me I just don't know.
I would guess I have spent more time officiating than most of the posters on this forum so I do know a thing or two about the rules, how to read the rules and the rule about being consistant.
The biggest issue remains, why was the whistle blown? Until we knw that answer officially, we are all speculating as to what the decision making was.
Re: Did the officials screw up
What part of the call was correct? Was it the part about the whistle being blown before the puck was in the net? If that is the part you say was correct I completely agree.
What I want to know is WHY was the whistle blown?
I think video replay has a place in all sports, including hockey, BUT there needs to be a limit to the reach of replay. Had this gae been won or lost on a puck just crossing the line we would want to see the replay to know if the call was correct. If it did what the puck in the Olympics did, and crossed just after the clock ran out we would want to know.
I don't favor replay being used to overturn penalty calls or make penalty calls in sports (unless the act is a savage act with the result or intended result being injury).
I just want to know why the whistle was blown in the first place, officially, not just speculation.
What part of the call was correct? Was it the part about the whistle being blown before the puck was in the net? If that is the part you say was correct I completely agree.
What I want to know is WHY was the whistle blown?
I think video replay has a place in all sports, including hockey, BUT there needs to be a limit to the reach of replay. Had this gae been won or lost on a puck just crossing the line we would want to see the replay to know if the call was correct. If it did what the puck in the Olympics did, and crossed just after the clock ran out we would want to know.
I don't favor replay being used to overturn penalty calls or make penalty calls in sports (unless the act is a savage act with the result or intended result being injury).
I just want to know why the whistle was blown in the first place, officially, not just speculation.